WARNING SPIDER HOLSTER USERS!!!!!!!!

[AlanU]

Well today the buckle has unclipped. I dropped my absolutely mint 1dmkIII with 24-70L. I PUT A MINOR CRACK IN THE BODY. Camera works perfectly but I am not pleased.

This is the second time this has happened. The first time I dropped my 1dmkIII with 35L. Luckily it did not do any physical damage. I took this incident as "User error" but I am 100% I heard a positive "CLICK". I am certain its not my error but the buckle itself.

PLEASE INSPECT THE BUCKLE. I own a Think tank belt and the buckle is SUPERIOR to the spider belt buckle.

User of this product I urge you to slightly manipulate the buckle by gently twisting it. IT WILL UNCLIP. Analyzing the clip it has minor play in the "female" side. The plastic buckle will have minor play and with any weight on the belt it will unclip.

I've contacted spider and waiting for reply.

I have NOT had any issues with my 5d or 5dmkII with this system. The 1dmkIII has been the only one that I've had issues with. Looking at this clip I do not see any visible defects except flimsy female end.

I am merely expressing my experiences but after looking at this buckle thoroughly I can see this as a potential issue to anyone loading the belt with a heavy lens and body.

[hawk911]

good to know, but obviously YMMV.

[Vascilli]

You should post a video detailing the flaws.

[BrandyJackson]

I've been thinking of getting a Spyder holster. Do you like them aside from the buckle flaw?

[TMR Design]

I actually returned mine a week after getting it. I thought I was really going to love it but it wasn't for me. I didn't have it long but in the time I used it I found it to be secure but uncomfortable.

[AlanU]

I'm disgusted. I will post a small vid. You just need that sweet spot twist and the buckle opens up. I was holding my 9mth old so I decided the camera is not as important :)

The holster area is very close to the buckle. With weight it puts strain on the belt (obviously) with the belt on your waist it will marginally twist or add weight to one side of the buckle. Any bouncing will potentially push the locking mechanism inwards opening up the buckle.

vid will be posted soon.

On a serious note: I am livid that I dropped my camera.

[Franko515]

I hate to hear this as I am getting ready to get a Spider Holster. I recently had my 3rd back surgery about 6 months ago and have to find a new way to carry my camera.

Hawk, what are your thoughts on the holsters design and use?

Robert, how was the craftsmanship? What was uncomfortable about it?

[lannes]

I'm disgusted. I will post a small vid. You just need that sweet spot twist and the buckle opens up. I was holding my 9mth old so I decided the camera is not as important :)

The holster area is very close to the buckle. With weight it puts strain on the belt (obviously) with the belt on your waist it will marginally twist or add weight to one side of the buckle. Any bouncing will potentially push the locking mechanism inwards opening up the buckle.

vid will be posted soon.

On a serious note: I am livid that I dropped my camera.

Sorry to hear about the camera, this would make me livid as well.
As a precaution you could leave the camera strap on and loosely wear it diagonally across the body. This should still give you the functionality of the spider holster and the extra protection of the strap.
I understand cotton carrrier have introduced this as an option with special straps.

[Josh_30]

Ouch. Sorry about your luck with the spider. I'd be pretty ticked off too if my 1D3 had taken a flop *or two* like that.

[TMR Design]

I hate to hear this as I am getting ready to get a Spider Holster. I recently had my 3rd back surgery about 6 months ago and have to find a new way to carry my camera.

Hawk, what are your thoughts on the holsters design and use?

Robert, how was the craftsmanship? What was uncomfortable about it?

Hey Franko,

I didn't have the displeasure of finding a hardware bug or defect as Alan did but my problem is that I was never a 'tool belt' kind of guy and that's what this reminded me of.

Whether my body was gripped or not, big or small lens, I just felt like my pants were going to fall down all the time.. lolol.. not really but it just didn't suit me and I didn't like all that weight at my waist.

For what it's worth, I have a bad back and found that I didn't like where all the weight was falling with the Spider. My back is better without a tool belt. :D

BTW, craftsmanship, hardware and build is exceptional. It's a great product for the right photographer, just not me.

[AlanU]

If you look at a thinktank modular belt it is QUALITY. The buckle CANNOT be manipulated whatsoever and it extremely solid.

The spider belt's quality is OK. I do not like the velcro that must be used to adjust the waist size. The loops provided on the belt are difficult to loop back on after you adjust the size.

Sometimes you must follow your gut feeling. I NEVER EVER liked the looks and design of the plastic spider buckle. For a belt that is crucial in carrying expensive gear I find the buckle to be sub standard.

Please disregard my grease stained hands.....being an auto tech :)
As I mentioned before it takes a certain sweet spot to unbuckle the clip. Initially it may appear that I am applying alot of force. Once a certain twist is applied this clip opens. Bare in mind this buckle has unclipped with only the weight of the camera gear and no hands touching the clip itself. A certain angle of force applied on "MY" particular buckle has opened.

VIDEO:

http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/alan_u1971/?action=view&current=MVI_0263.flv

The clip system is well built. The belt is the one in question.

[blackhawk]

Sorry to heat about your MK-3. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Inspect it carefully as there is probably more damage than first apparent. Pay close attention to the mirror box and pentaprism assemblies. Make sure the AF viewfinder dots are still positioned correctly.

I would avoid the Spider.
The Mk-3 is simply too big and heavy (and expensive) to be bee-bopping around with it hanging in the breeze by one mounting point.

A Kata sling with a one point tether that attaches to the upper part of the sling via an op-tech cam strap is what I use.
The sling gives some shock protection, and keeps dirt and water out. The cam is easy to deploy and pretty safe as long as you're standing. You can run as hard as you like, and it won't go nowhere except with you...

[carlm933g]

Wow! Good to know - I won't be hanging my 1D's on a spider setup! Thanks.

[AlanU]

Please note that this incident is unfortunately my experience. I've analyzed the buckle and see NO defects. I am not claiming that all spider buckles will have the same failures.

This is a warning to others. I will be expressing concerns to the manufacturer.

[hawk911]

Mike, I've not had any trouble with mine, and it's VERY secure as it clicks in. I tried to torque it like Alan is doing in the video, and I have NO play in the mechanism at all.

[AlanU]

Thank you for the info. I have thoroughly tested the AF and all focus points and they are perfect. I just got my 1dmkIII back from Canon 2 days ago to rectify my AF issues with prime lenses (especially my 35L requiring 20+ MA)

For now my leather belt with spider clip system works. I feel that my black rapid system should not have been neglected. I regret all that has happened. I guess worst could have happened so I am grateful for not breaking my flash (luckily I had it in my gearbag NOT on the body)

Sorry to heat about your MK-3. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Inspect it carefully as there is probably more damage than first apparent. Pay close attention to the mirror box and pentaprism assemblies. Make sure the AF viewfinder dots are still positioned correctly.

I would avoid the Spider.
The Mk-3 is simply too big and heavy (and expensive) to be bee-bopping around with it hanging in the breeze by one mounting point.

A Kata sling with a one point tether that attaches to the upper part of the sling via an op-tech cam strap is what I use.
The sling gives some shock protection, and keeps dirt and water out. The cam is easy to deploy and pretty safe as long as you're standing. You can run as hard as you like, and it won't go nowhere except with you...

[blackhawk]

Thank you for the info. I have thoroughly tested the AF and all focus points and they are perfect. I just got my 1dmkIII back from Canon 2 days ago to rectify my AF issues with prime lenses (especially my 35L requiring 20+ MA)

For now my leather belt with spider clip system works. I feel that my black rapid system should not have been neglected. I regret all that has happened. I guess worst could have happened so I am grateful for not breaking my flash (luckily I had it in my gearbag NOT on the body)

These cams are tough and the L lens even more so. Hope you get a 100% fix.:cool:

Consider just tucking it under your arm with longer lens.
The one point tether is not as restrictive as the neck strap, but still offers some fall protection.
Sometimes I simply put my hand through the elastic part of the Op-teck cam strap using the same one point tether with the other end hanging lose.
Never dropped a cam while shooting, but the danger is more so when cleaning it, changing lens, or kneeling down.

[jdang307]

I've thought about the clip with a leather belt with holes in them so there is vey little chance of the belt being undone. Kinda scared now

[Franko515]

Thanks for the reply Hawk and Robert.

I will be keeping an eye out to see if there are anymore problems before I order (maybe I will hold off for a week or so).

[AlanU]

Looking at the belt I am finding when the 1dmkIII hangs on the right hip side it puts uneven distribution of weight on the buckle. The nylon belt crumples up to the top (upwards) of the buckle (left side).

You can literally see the clip cave inwards. Looking at the locking mechanism of the buckle it has 3 points to lock. As the belt crumples it unfastens the bottom "clip". You can see the center button moving inwards.

I should have analysed this when I had bad vibes.

Moving around creates the potential of the nylon belt bunching up on the left side. When you clip this belt you have a very audible "CLICK" when the belt snaps on. 2 instances this belt has failed me.

http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/alan_u1971/?action=view&current=MVI_0270.flv

[TMR Design]

Looking at the belt I am finding when the 1dmkIII hangs on the right hip side it puts uneven distribution of weight on the buckle. The nylon belt crumples up to the top (upwards) of the buckle (left side).

You can literally see the clip cave inwards. Looking at the locking mechanism of the buckle it has 3 points to lock. As the belt crumples it unfastens the bottom "clip". You can see the center button moving inwards.

I should have analysed this when I had bad vibes.

Moving around creates the potential of the nylon belt bunching up on the left side. When you clip this belt you have a very audible "CLICK" when the belt snaps on. 2 instances this belt has failed me.

http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/alan_u1971/?action=view&current=MVI_0270.flv

Have you brought this to Shai's attention?

[AlanU]

NO replies from him but it is the weekend.

I do like the well built clip system. I do feel ill due to the crack in my 1dmkIII.

I do find my post to be negative. I apologize if I'm slamming this product. Without a doubt I am concerned with anyone using this belt. I do not want anyone to experience the incident that has happened to me. I question myself to publicly announce this defective/ill designed buckle. If this is an isolated incident "I'm bad". However I truly doubt I am the only one that has had this damage gear. Fortunately I've been using a hood 100% of the time on my lenses. This has saved me from breaking/bending the threaded area of the lens.

My think tank modular buckle cannot be manipulated in any way and is 100% secure. I am using that product as a reference/benchmark.

I've been using the spider belt alot lately. My wife gasped the first time my 1dmkIII tumbled on hard tile floor. I am 100% certain I heard a "CLICK" so I know its not my fault. The second time it happened I turned red in the face with anger knowing its the buckle.

One of the reasons I've purchased this product is because of the claims of support with larger bodies.

I think the "bunching up" of the nylon belt on the left side of the buckle is the main reason the clip unbuckles.

I urge anyone with this belt system to see if you can manipulate the "triple" lock buckle. My buckle unclips one of the "locks" with no effort.

[AlanU]

Still no contact from Shai. No contact phone number on their website so I must wait for email.

[Lyndon Chen]

Spider is pretty slow with email. Their product sure is nice though. But your incident Alan has me worried. I'm going to check out my buckle.

When I told them I was thinking about attaching my 2nd cam to the belt, they responded that it would be best if I could wait for them to come out with their improved belt to handle the stress of 2 cams. They indicated that the new belt would be available April 15th. The official 2-cam belt has no eta yet though.

[TMR Design]

Spider is pretty slow with email. Their product sure is nice though. But your incident Alan has me worried. I'm going to check out my buckle.

When I told them I was thinking about attaching my 2nd cam to the belt, they responded that it would be best if I could wait for them to come out with their improved belt to handle the stress of 2 cams. They indicated that the new belt would be available April 15th. The official 2-cam belt has no eta yet though.

When I needed to contact Shai I called. Honestly, I was a bit miffed by the fact that I sent two emails and never got a response to either.

[Lyndon Chen]

When I needed to contact Shai I called. Honestly, I was a bit miffed by the fact that I sent two emails and never got a response to either.

I would call them, but they don't list a phone contact on their website. What's their number?

[Sledhed]

I got a message from them the other day on my FB page saying that the adapter for the TT belt will be available in the next week or so. I have been waiting for this before I buy one.

Michael (Franko) give me a call when you get yours, I'll come over and check it out plus I'll bring you your off shoe cord.

[Lyndon Chen]

For what it's worth, I tried opening the buckle by pulling and twisting, but couldn't get it to open. I may thread my leather belt thru the Spider belt as an extra precaution. The vid that Alan posted is pretty scary.

[TMR Design]

I suppose it's quite possible that Alan has a belt clip that is defective or has a slight variation that causes it to fail but it does make you wonder if it's completely isolated or if there are others with the problem.

There should be a warning and some instruction for testing the clip before using it. :D


I got the phone number for Shai from Peter (pmnd). I hope he doesn't mind me posting that. :cool:

[MDJAK]

A few years back I dropped my 1DsMKII when it was brand new. An eight thousand dollar body. Don't remember which lens was on it, thought the lens suffered no damage. The body also suffered a crack, on top near the hot shoe. Obviously, this affected any weather sealing and had to be fixed. Canon service also found the focus mechanism/points were out of align. The total bill was close to $700.

So, I know where you're coming from. It is very upsetting. And I have no doubt you are reporting accurately. I know exactly what you mean when you say bunching up and putting stress on the buckle. You have every right to post this. You are not slamming any product, but merely reporting accurately what occured to you. You are doing a service to the community at large.

Let us know when you hear back from them.

mark

[Lightworks Imaging]

I guess I'll be sticking to my BlackRapid Coupler...

[Lyndon Chen]

I thought Black Rapid had their own problems with defective clips?

[Franko515]

I got a message from them the other day on my FB page saying that the adapter for the TT belt will be available in the next week or so. I have been waiting for this before I buy one.

Michael (Franko) give me a call when you get yours, I'll come over and check it out plus I'll bring you your off shoe cord.

Chris, do you have one or have you ordered it?

OT - my wife saw you at soccer and was really impressed with your work :D

[Franko515]

I thought Black Rapid had their own problems with defective clips?

yep, that why i still dont have a solution to carrying my camera with my back problems.

I was thinking of now going with the spider holster or the cotton carrier but felt like the cotton carrier might add strain to my back. Now with this report i fear i may have to wait to hear what the designer is saying or if more reports pop up :(

[blackhawk]

yep, that why i still dont have a solution to carrying my camera with my back problems.



You don't want to offset the weight to one side of the spine even on the hip. That will cause problems.

You need to build up the back muscles and hamstring muscles to help protect the sensitive area. It will take time.

[lannes]

I thought Black Rapid had their own problems with defective clips?

Haven't they fixed this with the R2 coupler, or is there still problem with the new design ?

http://www.blackrapid.com/product/hardware/fastenr/

[TMR Design]

For now I'm back to a strap. I'll be looking into the Black Rapid/California Sunbounce solution next.

[Sledhed]

Chris, do you have one or have you ordered it?

OT - my wife saw you at soccer and was really impressed with your work :D

I haven't yet Michael, I'm waiting for the TT belt adapter to come out first. I use the harness on my TT belt, that might be an option for you.

Tell the Mrs. thank you. I'll give you the files of your daughter, I don't charge friends.

[Franko515]

You don't want to offset the weight to one side of the spine even on the hip. That will cause problems.

You need to build up the back muscles and hamstring muscles to help protect the sensitive area. It will take time.

I dont think the weight of a 5D and 70-200 would cause me to walk sideways (like I need a V8) :lol:

Placing the weight lower on my body would in fact make my quads and hams kick in to support the weight, lessing the strain on my back. No matter what the solution my back will have to help some (you use the back muscles for damn near everything).

If you know of a better option Im all ear though ;)

My pain level is a constant 4/5 now and I fear this is the best i am gonna feel, so I need any help I can get.

sorry for the OT post, I think Im gonna start a new thread for my back problems and solutions or suggestions on switching up some of my gear.

[Franko515]

I haven't yet Michael, I'm waiting for the TT belt adapter to come out first. I use the harness on my TT belt, that might be an option for you.

Tell the Mrs. thank you. I'll give you the files of your daughter, I don't charge friends.

Thanks Chris!!!!

[AlanU]

Hello all,
I apologize for not chiming in sooner (due to work).

Thank you Mark for your experiences and comments.

Shai (president of Spider) has contacted me earlier this morning to discuss my issues that I have experienced. My conversation fell short due to my workload. Even though I promised to speak to him later in the evening he called me once again before my workday.

I called him tonight and we had a lengthy conversation. Shai has expressed sincere concern and I am amazed how serious they are in this matter.

I am no spokesperson for spider but Shai has told me that purchasers of his product will get notified of this incident (week or so???). He has said out of 2500 units sold only 2 belts have had "unbuckling" mishaps. Shai would like every "user" to inspect the current buckle. At this moment they are already working on a new buckle for their belts to assure 100% full confidence.

I hope I did not appear to cast a shadow on Spider Holster. Spider has reacted to my email/thread with great speed. I just URGE others to inspect their current buckle and Spider will do the right thing. They will contact all that have purchased their system. My impression is that Shai is a sincere person that takes great pride in his products.

In the meantime Shai would urge his customers to stop using the belt if there is a concern of unbuckling. I know I will use his clip system with my leather belt. I anticipate a new buckle aproximately a month (according to Shai).

My enthusiasm for the spider holster is still in my good books. The laws a probability got me this time :( its not often you see and innovative company that is willing to listen to their customers. I'm still sick to my stomach about the crack in my camera body. Spider is at least working to make things right.

[Franko515]

good to hear :cool:

[Lyndon Chen]

Awesome, thanks Alan.

[Bearmann]

I've been thinking of getting a Spyder holster. Do you like them aside from the buckle flaw?

Yes, the car looks very nice but it catches on fire everytime I turn the ignition key.

Well, aside from that, how do like the car? :shock:

[Lyndon Chen]

Yes, the car looks very nice but it catches on fire everytime I turn the ignition key.

Well, aside from that, how do like the car? :shock:
I think Alan has a bad buckle. Mine does not open like his. It's an unfortunate situation for Alan to be sure, but if this was a widespread problem I'm sure we'd be hearing from more users.

[jacobsen1]

As a precaution you could leave the camera strap on and loosely wear it diagonally across the body. This should still give you the functionality of the spider holster and the extra protection of the strap.

the whole point of a holster is for people who DON'T use straps. If part of the holster failed, IMHO that company should pay for the replacement of the damaged pieces. If it's user error it's on you. But then someone has to prove something for that to matter.

I'd hope someone who owns a 1 series, 5Dii and some Ls has insurance though right? Call them and get them to handle this for you. Good luck!

[blackhawk]

the whole point of a holster is for people who DON'T use straps. If part of the holster failed, IMHO that company should pay for the replacement of the damaged pieces. If it's user error it's on you. But then someone has to prove something for that to matter.

I'd hope someone who owns a 1 series, 5Dii and some Ls has insurance though right? Call them and get them to handle this for you. Good luck!

Well you better tether the cam somehow otherwise it's going to take a plunge sooner or later.
One point tethers work well even with a MK-3 with the 70-200 f/2.8 on it.

[javanutsy]

I bought the whole system recently in case I want to use it on the 5D. But for now I'm only using the holster + pin on a GF1, and I'm loving it! The holster is pretty well thought out, though I did do the always-lock mod on it for the added piece of mind. I'm curious what the new belt buckle will be like.

I cringed when I read about your mishap AlanU. Hope you will get the issue resolved soon.

[jacobsen1]

Well you better tether the cam somehow otherwise it's going to take a plunge sooner or later.
One point tethers work well even with a MK-3 with the 70-200 f/2.8 on it.

so do you back up your back up with another back up then? Strap buckles fail as well you know...:rolleyes:

seriously, this is EXACTLY what insurance is for. If a buckle fails either in design or construction that's NOT photographer error. If it IS photographer error (missing the holster, dropping something etc) then you're covered as well. What's the point of a QR system if it's not QR? Should I add a tether to my camera when it's on my tripod as well just in case the clamp opens there too?

[MDJAK]

Insurance has so many loopholes, deductibles, etc., it'd hardly be worthwhile paying the premiums or making a claim and facing an increase in those premiums for a repair that could potentially cost upwards of $500.

As to the maker of the item being responsible, even if you prove it, most if not all warranties exclude consequential damages and only cover replacement of the defective part.

In this case, if the maker of the Spyder steps up to the plate and offers to foot the repair, that'd be the best possible outcome. Often times the manufacturer, through later testing after an item comes to market, or through user reports, realizes this is a possibility and wants to make it right: by upgrading the suspect piece and/or paying for repair.

I know I and many others would hold the maker of Spyder in very high esteem if he does that. I'm sure the OP will let us know.

Mark

[MDJAK]

I dont think the weight of a 5D and 70-200 would cause me to walk sideways (like I need a V8) :lol:

Placing the weight lower on my body would in fact make my quads and hams kick in to support the weight, lessing the strain on my back. No matter what the solution my back will have to help some (you use the back muscles for damn near everything).

If you know of a better option Im all ear though ;)

My pain level is a constant 4/5 now and I fear this is the best i am gonna feel, so I need any help I can get.

sorry for the OT post, I think Im gonna start a new thread for my back problems and solutions or suggestions on switching up some of my gear.


One comment on this. I have had slingbags (my current carrier in fact), backpacks, and many different types of waistbags.

My personal experience, and obviously YMMV, is belt packs, holsters, do not take the weight off the back. They may take the weight off the shoulders, but they weigh heavily on the hips and long outings with them will quickly tire out the low back and entire hip girdle.

After years of long, long walks/hikes, both in the mountains and canyons of Manhattan/NYC, I'm now liking my Black Rapid Strap more than anything else I've used. It somehow makes my camera (D3) feel weightless.

mark

[Franko515]

One comment on this. I have had slingbags (my current carrier in fact), backpacks, and many different types of waistbags.

My personal experience, and obviously YMMV, is belt packs, holsters, do not take the weight off the back. They may take the weight off the shoulders, but they weigh heavily on the hips and long outings with them will quickly tire out the low back and entire hip girdle.

After years of long, long walks/hikes, both in the mountains and canyons of Manhattan/NYC, I'm now liking my Black Rapid Strap more than anything else I've used. It somehow makes my camera (D3) feel weightless.

mark

Really, HMMMMMM I may have to go back and take a look at the Black Rapid or Sun Strap.

I was hoping to get the Spider Holster to eliminate back pain :(

[jacobsen1]

Insurance has so many loopholes, deductibles, etc., it'd hardly be worthwhile paying the premiums or making a claim and facing an increase in those premiums for a repair that could potentially cost upwards of $500.

not sure who you have for insurance. I have USAA. I have over $10k in gear on the policy and it costs me <$150 PER YEAR. When my 5Dii was destroyed I paid no one cent to get the check to cover it. So yeah, insurance FTW.

If you need a holster, I'd suggest a cotton carrier maybe? I've been using one since they shipped and love it. It's bigger, but I haven't heard of any issues other than the screw on the "button" getting loose which IS user error really. Before that I'd tried the black rapid strap, op-techs (I actually SELL them for my forum) and other DIY options. In the end having crap on the camera body got it PULLED places more often than it was a good thing to have for me.

YMMV.

[blackhawk]

so do you back up your back up with another back up then? Strap buckles fail as well you know...:rolleyes:

seriously, this is EXACTLY what insurance is for. If a buckle fails either in design or construction that's NOT photographer error. If it IS photographer error (missing the holster, dropping something etc) then you're covered as well. What's the point of a QR system if it's not QR? Should I add a tether to my camera when it's on my tripod as well just in case the clamp opens there too?

The tether is a stretch cam strap with quick releases that are inspected and replaced yearly or at any sign of wear.
Ever have a tripod tip? They do, and when it happens... you'll recall this silly little discussion.
No tether, no strap means that cam and/or lense are gonna get it...

Insurance? please... that wouldn't find the misaligned optics, damaged electronics, or save you the aggravation of screwing up a perfectly good (and formerly accurate and reliable) cam and/or lens for no good reason whatsoever.:rolleyes:

[jacobsen1]

The tether is a stretch cam strap with quick releases that are inspected and replaced yearly or at any sign of wear.
Ever have a tripod tip? They do, and when it happens... you'll recall this silly little discussion.
No tether, no strap means that cam and/or lense are gonna get it...

Insurance? please... that wouldn't find the misaligned optics, damaged electronics, or save you the aggravation of screwing up a perfectly good (and formerly accurate and reliable) cam and/or lens for no good reason whatsoever.:rolleyes:

wait, so how am I supposed to tether my tripod exactly? It's called being careful. I've been shooting with SLRs for well over 15 years and I've only killed one ONCE and guess what, insurance had me a check for it's full replacement value within 48 hours into my checking account. So please don't tell me about being careful, or how insurance works. When **** happens (and I don't care how careful you are, IT WILL) you'll want the insurance ON TOP OF your tethers. I happen to skip the tethers and go with being careful and then having insurance back me up. But I guess I've just been really lucky in the last 15 years of shooting w/o dropping anything? :lol:

*knocks wood*

And in case you want to know HOW I ruined the one camera I did... Water damage. We were shooting landscapes during a hurricane. The rock I went out on didn't get wet in the 1.5 hours we were there prior OR the hour we were there after. I'd also been there the day before and the rock was dry then too. We're talking a ~20' tall rock. But the ~5 minutes I was on it? yeah, that's when the ONE wave that got it wet came. Oh well, but I'm glad I had insurance and not just a tether. ;) Mother nature always knows.

I can't even believe someone is arguing against insurance who in the same breath is telling someone else to be careful with their gear. We're both worried about the same thing, dropping or breaking a camera right? Insurances costs soooo little (<$150/year for ~$10k in coverage with no deductibles). Why not have it as well. And yes I already hear you saying the same thing about tethers, they're cheap and can save a fall right? Sure, but they can also slow me down, and I can't tell you how many times I've had someone or something hook a strap and almost pull a camera off a table or something else. I've been keeping my camera on the floor for years for that reason. The only time I tether my camera to me is when I'm climbing something and need my hands to hold on as well. Shots like this:
http://benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/scapes/101_1856.jpg

[blackhawk]

wait, so how am I supposed to tether my tripod exactly? It's called being careful. I've been shooting with SLRs for well over 15 years and I've only killed one ONCE and guess what, insurance had me a check for it's full replacement value within 48 hours into my checking account. So please don't tell me about being careful, or how insurance works. When **** happens (and I don't care how careful you are, IT WILL) you'll want the insurance ON TOP OF your tethers. I happen to skip the tethers and go with being careful and then having insurance back me up. But I guess I've just been really lucky in the last 15 years of shooting w/o dropping anything? :lol:

*knocks wood*

And in case you want to know HOW I ruined the one camera I did... Water damage. We were shooting landscapes during a hurricane. The rock I went out on didn't get wet in the 1.5 hours we were there prior OR the hour we were there after. I'd also been there the day before and the rock was dry then too. We're talking a ~20' tall rock. But the ~5 minutes I was on it? yeah, that's when the ONE wave that got it wet came. Oh well, but I'm glad I had insurance and not just a tether. ;) Mother nature always knows.

I can't even believe someone is arguing against insurance who in the same breath is telling someone else to be careful with their gear. We're both worried about the same thing, dropping or breaking a camera right? Insurances costs soooo little (<$150/year for ~$10k in coverage with no deductibles). Why not have it as well. And yes I already hear you saying the same thing about tethers, they're cheap and can save a fall right? Sure, but they can also slow me down, and I can't tell you how many times I've had someone or something hook a strap and almost pull a camera off a table or something else. I've been keeping my camera on the floor for years for that reason. The only time I tether my camera to me is when I'm climbing something and need my hands to hold on as well. Shots like this:
http://benjacobsenphoto.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/scapes/101_1856.jpg


It's impossible to predict what will happen in the field and the be fully prepared for it; that's what insurance is for.
Gravity, that's what the tethers are for.
Repairs easily become drawn out, bad affairs... :p


One trashed cam is enough for me to keep if tethered even on the tripod... and always while hand holding. Never dropped a cam while shooting, cleaning is a different story. Lense changing is another higher risk action... tethers save equipment.

Sorry, but I think a clip released, high dollar cam with no tether (or even with a tether), no padding, and having it ride on the hip is just a plain bad idea.
Great for gun slingers, but tough on high end optics...

[RWatkins]

Personally, I think its a design flaw to have the 'quick release' as a method; by which the device does not lock. I've gotten in the habit of putting my left hand over the belt and pulling up with the right to hear the 'click' to make sure its locked.

Aside from that, I love mine.

[Lyndon Chen]

In my limited experience with the Spider, I've been using it unlocked at all times. It's actually quite difficult to dislodge the cam by accident; you have to rotate it out from your body first, and then pull up. Just pushing up will jam it into the holster; sometimes I've wished it was actually easier to release.

[TMR Design]

Have you guys seen this yet? I just got this in an email with the Subject "Spider Buckle Replacement".

http://maildart.awpny.com/T/ViewEmail/r/BEAB14936EB3B754/10EF43D0DAA1852BF6A1C87C670A6B9F

[Lyndon Chen]

^ Yeah, I just got that email also. New belts for everyone.

[hawk911]

me too.

[javanutsy]

Personally, I think its a design flaw to have the 'quick release' as a method; by which the device does not lock.

Like another poster mentioned, even in the unlocked position, the cam cannot just be lifted off without supporting the cam so that the pin is not vertical as when seated in the holster. I think it's a great thought out system. But still I like it locked for the extra piece of mind.

There's an easy DIY mod you can do to remove the always unlocked option:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=9577747&postcount=19

Oh, and I got the buckle replacement email too :)

[jacobsen1]

It's impossible to predict what will happen ...
Gravity, that's what the tethers are for.

see, I can predict gravity pretty well, maybe that's why I don't need nor use tethers?
but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. ;)

[AlanU]

Hey all,

My camera is off to Canon Canada. I've sent the body to get a service advisory performed (new sub mirror mechanism replaced). This way I can get my body inspected at the same time. I'm getting a quotation regarding the crack also.

I will say Shai has been outstanding in standing behind his product. He's genuine regarding his concern of my "incident" and will make things right. As for the new buckle I see it as a bold move to prove how dedicated they are in being a manufacturer of a fresh new innovative product for photogs.

I use the locking mechanism all of the time on the spider clip. You can "feel" the lock lever to determine if its locked or unlocked. The purpose of the spider is to have freedom without straps.

I own the RS4 BR strap and its like driving with a seat belt. Using the Spider holster is driving without a seat belt. I've been loving the freedom of no strap since the purchase of the Spider.

I am still haunted of the "snap" of an unlocking buckle. After the lengthy conversation with Shai I can tell how passionate he is about his product. The new buckle will be a robust beast that will be equivalent or surpass the beefy buckle found on the think tank pro belt I have.

I feel I've stirred the pot but apparently Shai thinks contrary. I urge others to be wise and inspect any product holding their precious, expensive gear. Even with my horrific experience my loyalty goes to spider seeing such responsive actions on their part. Any readers that have never seen the construction of their clip/base system will see why people are drawn to this strapless system.

[twdfcc]

not sure who you have for insurance. I have USAA. I have over $10k in gear on the policy and it costs me <$150 PER YEAR. When my 5Dii was destroyed I paid no one cent to get the check to cover it. So yeah, insurance FTW.

If you need a holster, I'd suggest a cotton carrier maybe? I've been using one since they shipped and love it. It's bigger, but I haven't heard of any issues other than the screw on the "button" getting loose which IS user error really. Before that I'd tried the black rapid strap, op-techs (I actually SELL them for my forum) and other DIY options. In the end having crap on the camera body got it PULLED places more often than it was a good thing to have for me.

YMMV.

Funny with all of the talk on camera tethers, I was doing research on the Cotton Carrier and they've just added tethers to all of their harnesses and side holsters.
I would think going this route would alleviate everybody's fears. I know it did for me... I just ordered one. Can't wait! :D

[jacobsen1]

Funny with all of the talk on camera tethers, I was doing research on the Cotton Carrier and they've just added tethers to all of their harnesses and side holsters.
I would think going this route would alleviate everybody's fears. I know it did for me... I just ordered one. Can't wait! :D

yeah, they've recommended since the beginning.

[RWatkins]

Like another poster mentioned, even in the unlocked position, the cam cannot just be lifted off without supporting the cam so that the pin is not vertical as when seated in the holster. I think it's a great thought out system. But still I like it locked for the extra piece of mind.

There's an easy DIY mod you can do to remove the always unlocked option:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=9577747&postcount=19

Oh, and I got the buckle replacement email too :)

No doubt its a great thought-out system. I love mine. However, my experience has been that its a little too easy to leave the lock in the 'unlocked' position. I plan to do the DYI option in the near future.

[Christina]

I got the email about the belt replacement as well. To be clear, it sounds like the concern is just with the belt. If you are using the holster with your own belt, this shouldn't be an issue, right?

I haven't fully tested my spider holster yet, but I've used it a bit here and there and so far I LOVE it. I've had an R-Strap for a while but this is way, way better.

[Lyndon Chen]

I got the email about the belt replacement as well. To be clear, it sounds like the concern is just with the belt. If you are using the holster with your own belt, this shouldn't be an issue, right?
That's right, the concern is just with the belt and not the holster. The issue is the belt buckle, but I've looked mine over and haven't been able to duplicate Alan's problem (still I'll take the new, beefier buckle just in case :lol: ).

[rang]

Funny with all of the talk on camera tethers, I was doing research on the Cotton Carrier and they've just added tethers to all of their harnesses and side holsters.
I would think going this route would alleviate everybody's fears. I know it did for me... I just ordered one. Can't wait! :D

I've given the new leash my test and it has passed with flying colors:
1) Stand on bed in the center
2) Use the Canon 5D gripped with the Canon 100-400L IS with the barrel extended all the way out.
3) Mount a 580EXII with Better Beamer onto the flash
4) Clip the new CC leash from the left shoulder strap "D" ring onto the top left neck strap mount point (where I keep a strong steel split ring mounted).
5) Jump on the bed a few times to make sure it will hold up if the rig hits it.
;-)
6) Drop the rig from up at face level while peering through the viewfinder.

It passes (kind've a jolt but it doesn NOT cut loose and hit the bed nor my private parts.)

Nice option part if you're worried about that sort of thing.

[hawk911]

Anyone get a new belt yet?

[javanutsy]

Still waiting for mine...

[barosborough]

He had a message on his facebook page that they are getting pushed back and hope to have them shipped in mid-May.

[kinghong1970]

wow... working in the apparel industry... that is just plain dumb for the company to have used such a cheap buckle AND webbing tape.

in the video posted on the 2nd page (?) to see the nylon webbing bunch up like that and i can tell just by the sound of the buckle, that is some cheap knockoff buckle.

seriously, the price difference between a un-branded buckle vs a tested and reliable buckle is not that much... when i used 1 1/2" buckles on the belts for my bags, i recall the price difference was not more than $0.40/item to $0.80 (pending on qty/bulk of order)

so to save a couple of quarters, customers have their precious equipment fall to the ground...

and the price of the webbing... geesh... what did the company save? $0.15/yard?

folks, if you have plastic buckles in your gear... please check in between the prongs and whatnot... look for brands...

ITW Nexus
Kifco/Tifco/Nifco
YKK

and if it looks flimsy... i would not trust my precious equipment in it...

also, webbings... it should NOT bunch up like that... if you press the edges of the webbing together, it should give some resistance and curve over as if you're pressing the edges of a credit card...

damn, i think i'll have to get my box of accessories that i had back in the days...

[AlanU]

If anyone is currently concerned with their "original" buckle here's a simple modification that I've done. This is how I am using my current spider belt. I've removed the male end of the buckle and made this belt a loop through.

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo230/alan_u1971/4H8R16401024x768.jpg

[barosborough]

I've been just tying a shoe string through both sides of the buckle so that if it fails the shoe string saves me.

[javanutsy]

Received my replacement belt yesterday! Cool...

[barosborough]

Received my replacement belt yesterday! Cool...

I haven't gotten mine yet. Can you post a picture? Hows the build?

[hawk911]

should have switched to the new one. My camera and flash crashed to the ground yesterday. Flash mount broke, and the CPL that was on the lens got dinged. I can repair the CPL, and I may take a stab at the 550 mount.

so if you have the new belt... use it

[Malsam]

I have very mixed feelings when I got my spider about a month ago....

I think I got the "new" version of the belt, it look something like this:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/paimao/K9graphy/Accessories/Carrying%20system/JH_20100813_01609.jpg
The 1 that I saw on the web, youtube and other poster's buckle they are different from mine so I presume this must be the replacement model? This buckle is really painful...my finger got caught a few times. it looks and feel secure when u get it in but the buckling feel wasn't as smooth as other buckle like newswear, lowepro, thinktank kind.

My recent offshore hike proved that this belt and the system really does what its designed for...even though the belt looks very "used" when I got it new. Take a look at the following:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/paimao/K9graphy/Accessories/Carrying%20system/JH_20100813_01602.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/paimao/K9graphy/Accessories/Carrying%20system/JH_20100813_01601.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o316/paimao/K9graphy/Accessories/Carrying%20system/JH_20100813_01603.jpg

All of the new sets in the shop I went to has the same condition. I snap them when I got it home. The only thing that look solid is the spiderpro. My 1st set the pin cant even fit in and I have to go back to the shop to make a change.

Having said that, I had bike in terrain and ran in heavy downpour with a 5D2 + 100L macro IS on my waist and it didn't feel like its coming out or you need to worry that its coming out anytime. I guess my gut feel about this system was not wrong after all.:cool: