Sailboat Sunset

[kenyc]

Another Cherry Creek sunset pic. Plenty hot here yesterday so the boats were out late. Comments/critique welcome.

KAC

[kenyc]

One more from the same "session."
KAC

[myth337]

interesting wall in #1... I like the framing.
the trees in #2 are a nice touch...
.. but I think the pics are overall a bit... dim??

[kenyc]

Wall? :) It's the dam. Yes they are somewhat dark, that's what happens when the sun goes down. :)

Thanks for your comments!
KAC

[myth337]

dam dam!! ;)

yes.. I know that things get dark when the sun goes down.

I am noticing that several D20 shots are different than what comes out of my 300D, they are softer, and in this case a bit dimmer.

If you look at my sunset (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83872) picture (#2) it is overall brighter...

I don't know how to describe it.. but.. dim.

the shots are great... that's not the point.

.. Lee

[myth337]

Another Cherry Creek sunset pic. ... and that's a pretty big Creek... ;)

[kenyc]

dam dam!! ;)

yes.. I know that things get dark when the sun goes down.

I am noticing that several D20 shots are different than what comes out of my 300D, they are softer, and in this case a bit dimmer.

If you look at my sunset (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83872) picture (#2) it is overall brighter...

I don't know how to describe it.. but.. dim.

the shots are great... that's not the point.

.. Lee

Well, yeah, but that shot of yours is not really sunset yet. :) Still bright. With digital it depends a lot on the processing. I notice a lot of difference between my 17-85 and my 70-200 lens as far as brightness. Also for these kinds of shots I prefer darker. If you mean oof or color cast or something like that, that's different but dim, dark, bright, that's all somewhat relative and adjustable. We may just have different tastes as far as sunset shots. :)

Best,
KAC

[kenyc]

... and that's a pretty big Creek... ;)

Well it's actually Cherry Creek Resevoir..... I've posted a lot of Pics taken there..

KAC

[sparker1]

Nice shots, Kenny. They match my expectation for that time of day. With PS, we have the capability to make every shot look as bright as midday, but why? The mood of sunset includes the dark, dim, shadows, etc. I took a few last night from our campground, haven't looked at them yet.

[myth337]

ok... so... like... when does the setting sun scene officially become a sunset?? ;)

but seriously.. I've taken a few (ok.. a whole bunch) of shots after the sun has gone below the horizon... and... well.. it is hard to say... but it may just be a characteristic of the 20D.

this is cool sunset (http://photo.mythsysint.com/gallery/photo.php?photo=101) (color temperature wise)... and it is still different.

I know.. every moment of every sunset is different from every perspective...

[myth337]

With PS, we have the capability to make every shot look as bright as midday, but why? that's not quite what I mean... I'm an almost borderline opponent to post processing with PS, but I'll try to find a shot comparable to this time and lighting, and maybe then I can explain it better.
The mood of sunset includes the dark, dim, shadows, etc. These shots have a great mood. I still think that what I am seeing is still a 20D characteristic. Many other (non sunset) 20D shots also appear a bit dim to me.
(digging thru medicine cabinet for eyedrops...) :shock:

[kenyc]

Nice shots, Kenny. They match my expectation for that time of day. With PS, we have the capability to make every shot look as bright as midday, but why? The mood of sunset includes the dark, dim, shadows, etc. I took a few last night from our campground, haven't looked at them yet.

Yeah, well even though I'm an internet programmer, I tend to be old-school. I'd rather capture the light than create it. :) That part I leave to my drawing and computer painting for the most part.

KAC

[kenyc]

ok... so... like... when does the setting sun scene officially become a sunset?? ;)

but seriously.. I've taken a few (ok.. a whole bunch) of shots after the sun has gone below the horizon... and... well.. it is hard to say... but it may just be a characteristic of the 20D.

this is cool sunset (http://photo.mythsysint.com/gallery/photo.php?photo=101) (color temperature wise)... and it is still different.

I know.. every moment of every sunset is different from every perspective...

Well, yeah, when? that's part of the interpretation and tastes I guess.

I'm not gonna argue the differences between cameras, if you want to believe that then fine, it might be true, it might not. I don't think there are any measurements that will prove it either way. Now since this was about my camera and dark and light and etc. What do you mean by the picture is "dim" if you aren't referring to brightness?

Yeah, that is a cool pic, was it processed or is that pretty much the way it was captured? The blue sky seems a bit at odds with the depth of the sunset.


KAC

[kenyc]

that's not quite what I mean... I'm an almost borderline opponent to post processing with PS, but I'll try to find a shot comparable to this time and lighting, and maybe then I can explain it better.
These shots have a great mood. I still think that what I am seeing is still a 20D characteristic. Many other (non sunset) 20D shots also appear a bit dim to me.
(digging thru medicine cabinet for eyedrops...) :shock:

So sounds like, bottom line, you are calling my picture "dim" based on your belief? Is that true?

I mean really I could have increased the exposure, iso, etc. and made it more like a daylight shot, but why. I did some minor processing levels, contrast, usm and I liked what I had. If don't, that's fine, but I seem to be getting mixed messages from you.

KAC

[myth337]

Hi Kenny...

First point I would like to make is that this should all be seen in a friendly conversational tone. No disrespect, criticism, etc. intended.

Well, yeah, when? that's part of the interpretation and tastes I guess.we all see the world a bit differently... it would be kind of boring if we didn't.I'm not gonna argue the differences between cameras, if you want to believe that then fine, it might be true, it might not. I don't think there are any measurements that will prove it either way. Now since this was about my camera and dark and light and etc. What do you mean by the picture is "dim" if you aren't referring to brightness?I have been coming to this forum for a while now, and I can tell almost immediately if a picture was taken with a 20D, and almost 95% for the 300D/350D shots. The differences have been discussed in other places, and there are subtle differences. I just happen to notice them. Maybe I'm paying too much attention to them... :)Yeah, that is a cool pic, was it processed or is that pretty much the way it was captured? The blue sky seems a bit at odds with the depth of the sunset.I like this pic because it is at odds. ;) I took it from the roof window (they have a lot of those here in Germany) because it looked so cool.. and it has not been processed more than a slight levels adjustment. (added a bit of contrast)So sounds like, bottom line, you are calling my picture "dim" based on your belief? Is that true?no.. not my belief... just my impression. I think the word "dim" isn't quite what I had in mind... but it was the first word that came to mind. Soft.. Pastel effect.. that is maybe more like what I was trying to say.I mean really I could have increased the exposure, iso, etc. and made it more like a daylight shot, but why. I did some minor processing levels, contrast, usm and I liked what I had. If don't, that's fine, but I seem to be getting mixed messages from you.Again.. that was not my intended message. I was asking if "dim" was the right word. I've been taking pictures for a long time, and like the things that inspire me to stop and push the button, other peoples pictures have the same effect. I see a picture, and within the first seconds, I either like it and look at it longer, or it is just another picture, (which may still be a good photo.. but just doesn't fall into my 'inspired' category.)

either way... here is a sunset panorama that I did a couple of years ago with one of the many digital cameras that I tested. This shot, and the soft colors that are in it, are exactly what I thought of when I saw your second shot.

I still have the file, knew exactly where to find it, but hadn't put it on my website yet because I was not sure if I liked it or not. (the shot was again taken from my roof window, at another season, just to the left of the cool sunset shot from before.)

There have been many times when I have seen unbelievable colors during a sunset, but I was on the autobahn doing 180 something on my way home.. had no camera.. and would probably have been run over if I stopped to take a longer look. The colors in your first shot fall into the more interesting category of sunset colors.

(hopefully having returned peace to the world.. well.. at least this thread..)
.. Lee

[kenyc]

Hi Kenny...

First point I would like to make is that this should all be seen in a friendly conversational tone. No disrespect, criticism, etc. intended.

we all see the world a bit differently... it would be kind of boring if we didn't.I have been coming to this forum for a while now, and I can tell almost immediately if a picture was taken with a 20D, and almost 95% for the 300D/350D shots. The differences have been discussed in other places, and there are subtle differences. I just happen to notice them. Maybe I'm paying too much attention to them... :)I like this pic because it is at odds. ;) I took it from the roof window (they have a lot of those here in Germany) because it looked so cool.. and it has not been processed more than a slight levels adjustment. (added a bit of contrast)no.. not my belief... just my impression. I think the word "dim" isn't quite what I had in mind... but it was the first word that came to mind. Soft.. Pastel effect.. that is maybe more like what I was trying to say.Again.. that was not my intended message. I was asking if "dim" was the right word. I've been taking pictures for a long time, and like the things that inspire me to stop and push the button, other peoples pictures have the same effect. I see a picture, and within the first seconds, I either like it and look at it longer, or it is just another picture, (which may still be a good photo.. but just doesn't fall into my 'inspired' category.)

either way... here is a sunset panorama that I did a couple of years ago with one of the many digital cameras that I tested. This shot, and the soft colors that are in it, are exactly what I thought of when I saw your second shot.

I still have the file, knew exactly where to find it, but hadn't put it on my website yet because I was not sure if I liked it or not. (the shot was again taken from my roof window, at another season, just to the left of the cool sunset shot from before.)

There have been many times when I have seen unbelievable colors during a sunset, but I was on the autobahn doing 180 something on my way home.. had no camera.. and would probably have been run over if I stopped to take a longer look. The colors in your first shot fall into the more interesting category of sunset colors.

(hopefully having returned peace to the world.. well.. at least this thread..)
.. Lee

I agree, if you are feeling "disrespected" that wasn't intended. If you have something generic to say about the 20D please start a thread on it or keep on the topic of this particular image I posted. You said it was "dim" or I guess asked/implied that it was dim. I'm just trying to get you to explain what that means wrt this image. I don't think you've done that, I think you've taken this opportunity to bring up something more generic that apparently is "bugging" you and that you make a point to "notice.

Belief, impression....same thing pretty much as far as the definitions I know. Impression could be an individual thing or based on past experience. Art is in the eye of the beholder as they say.

Anyway. I don't think the "soft" colors are due to the camera, the cheaper cameras tend to sharpen and saturate colors, the 20D doesn't maybe that is what you are seeing, in fact from what I've read even the 300/350 are more in the "consumer" category wrt that internal processing of jpgs.

I guess I'm still confused about what it is you don't like about this shot. And I guess it really doesn't matter, I'm just trying to understand. I thought it was because it was dark, but now you are saying it's because of the colors being soft and I certainly don't see these colors as soft at all, quite bright in fact.

As you say there are all kinds of sunsets and all kinds of tastes wrt them. :)

KAC

[kenyc]

Oh and Lee, I guess the quesion I'd ask which I'll start another thread on is can other people tell a 20D image from a 300/350 image?

KAC

[myth337]

Regarding the "Disrespect" stuff.. I was hoping that you weren't feeling that I was being disrespectful to you! (didn't get the feeling that you were being that to me...)

I've said once or twice that I like the shots... but was trying to figure out a specific impression that I got from them.

As for my 300D... I haven't taken a jpeg shot since the first week I got it, and I haven't used any Saturation or Sharpening on any pics.. except maybe for testing.. (well.. haven't figured much out about the sharpening settings yet)

Anyway.... I think it would be an interesting thread to see what other people say about the 20D - 300D/350D differences. (if you haven't already... I'll start it. mind if I quote your last line??) ;)

[jopfin]

Ok not taking sides or anything, but I fail to see a difference in the pics, knowing what a Colorado sunset looks like, I would say that that is spot on, and the others that were posted look just fine too. Isn't a sunset pic supposed to "dim" I mean afterall the sun IS setting right? Also I fail to see what is "less dim" about myths #2 pic as opposed to Kennys pic. Either way all pics posted and referenced in this thread are wonderful. :) Great job Kenny..............Joe

[kenyc]

Ahh so you shoot raw and then process. :) I try to not do much processing myself, as I said above. I did start a thread in the EOS category, it should be interesting.

In any case thanks for you comments, glad you like the pics. Enjoy. Keep Shooting!

KAC

[kenyc]

Ok not taking sides or anything, but I fail to see a difference in the pics, knowing what a Colorado sunset looks like, I would say that that is spot on, and the others that were posted look just fine too. Isn't a sunset pic supposed to "dim" I mean afterall the sun IS setting right? Also I fail to see what is "less dim" about myths #2 pic as opposed to Kennys pic. Either way all pics posted and referenced in this thread are wonderful. :) Great job Kenny..............Joe

Hey Joe, thanks for your comments. I do tend to like darker/deeper sunsets personally (that's why I keep posting these darkish CC Resevoir pics :) ) I keep trying to capture that "perfect" sunset pic and then I can stop.

As far as this thread I'm just trying to understand whether it's "dim" or "pastel" colors or ?? But as I said art is all in the eye of the beholder. And there are million and one sunsets and sunset pics.

Enjoy!
KAC

[jfrancho]

Maybe I'm dim, but I can't figure out what the hell your discussing - saturation?
And, kenyc, the first picture is spectacular. Nice job conveying the relaxed mood.

[myth337]

Hi Joe.. Thanks for popping in... and for the comments. ;)

My #2 pic wasn't supposed to be "less dim" then Kenny's.. but it was the one that Kenny's reminded me of...

I've shot hundreds, perhaps thousands of sunsets on film, (and probably as many sunrises) and every one of them is different. after all.. even though the sun comes up and goes down every day.. the conditions are never the same. ;)

Kenny... My post processing usually involves verifying the white balance... checking levels.. and cropping.

See you in the other thread... :D

[kenyc]

Maybe I'm dim, but I can't figure out what the hell your discussing - saturation?
And, kenyc, the first picture is spectacular. Nice job conveying the relaxed mood.

Hey thanks, jfrancho! That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out wrt myth337 is saying, saturation? levels, brightness, color skew...? I'm still not quite sure, but it doesn't really matter in the long run. I'm happy with the pic, but I will keep searching for that "ultimate" sunset shot. :)

KAC
P.S. the new thread is at:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=661952

[MarkoPolo]

I guess I am too simple, but I like the shot a lot. I'm happy to let you make whatever creative decisions you want, it is your picture!

[kenyc]

I guess I am too simple, but I like the shot a lot. I'm happy to let you make whatever creative decisions you want, it is your picture!

MarkoPolo, thanks. Glad you like it!

KAC