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chisel
26th of April 2010 (Mon), 21:13
Challenge #273 - Sepia

I was chatting with an old photographer last week; he still shoots only B&W film, and doesn't feel that digital can catch the range, softness and subtlty of film.

I tend to agree with him, but I hope you can prove us wrong. However, I'll make this more difficult, and move further back in photographic history- instead of B&W, I want Sepia. Make the sepia part of the story, so it doesn't feel like a gimmick. Think of the richness of those photos from the 1800's.

I'm especially interested in lighting, composition, and a story which makes the imagination travel.

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1st place: Michael Wells – Olde Tyme
Stunning. Beautiful use of sepia and tonal range. Very rich. I keep thinking I see cobwebs on the clock, this timepiece patiently passes through the eons. The dramatic composition works very well.

2nd place: Objetda – morning drift down the Phuoc An River - Hoi An
This really grows on me. That small boat with people in the background, right smack in the center, actually works really well. Usually putting an element right in the middle makes a composition static, but here it adds movement and interest. This is the only shot in which the huge white areas don’t feel burned out, but rather contribute to the misty ancient tone. It seems like it could have been shot by someone who was trained in Asian brush painting in the 19th century.

3rd place: KevanG9 – Pickles
Excellent, a good story, your picture makes me want to be there, to enter the scene and the town. It is richer in sepia than it would be in B&W or color, although a tiny bit of tweaking with desaturation or tone curve might have helped. You caught the bicyclist at just the right spot, which isn’t easy with the lag in digital shutters.

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Honorable mention: Corythosaurus – High Plains Barn
Ominous sky, good texture, sharp focus and the disturbing angles all contribute to create the mood and depth. It’s like the air and light just before a tornado hits, the nervous calm before the storm. It feels like an old Alfred Hitchcock movie.

Honorable mention: Afkenner – hidden hilltop hotel
It feels abandoned, and creates an interesting, disconnected feel. The fact that I can’t see the ground, I don’t know how high I am, and the sky and atmosphere, which leaves me unsure of the time of day, and the perspective, with the second building slanting away, and the stone tower which seems out of place with the wood structures, all contribute to a wonderful deep mystery. I like the sense of unease and timelessness that it creates.

Honorable mention: Teekay – Heritage Lane
This is one where Sepia really contributes. It would not be very appealing in color, and if it were B&W it would lack the depth and wouldn’t draw me in as much. The sepia puts magic in the scene, but the coloring is a bit strong, at least on my monitor; a bit less saturation would make it a considerably stronger contender. I’d like a bit more range on the right side block wall; that would frame the alley and send me deeper towards the lone figure way that I think I spy back there.

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Susikamikaze – fiddle
Intriguing, but I wish there was more shading and depth in the background to add some complexity to the story. I’d like just a bit less bokeh, a bit more focus in the foreground to introduce the story and draw me in.

Erik1974 – Frozen in time
It makes me wonder what she has in her hands, what she’s looking at. The shadow rings behind her ear from her tiara kind of throw me off, they’re very distracting. The gray scale in her sweater, especially in her arm, breaks down- film would certainly have more range here.

JimAskew – Time long ago
Another case where digital doesn’t approach film- the dynamic range is limited. Note the whites of the tops of the clock bodies, they all burn out. More range would make this more subtle and dramatic. I think this is a case where black and white would have been stronger than sepia.

Boutty – This old church
Too much noise distracts from losing myself in the mood of the scene. It feels a bit too photoshopped and the reflection in the water, which could have been a wonderful element, gets lost.

Maureen Souza – Abandoned farmhouse
Beautiful composition, but needs a more subtle dynamic range. The sky is washed out, the wall too dark. This is one where I think it would be stronger in B&W, and the sepia weakens it.

Paul B – all aboard
The conductors face, just a bit grainy, becomes an interesting mask. It makes me wonder what is going on behind those shaded eyes, what he is seeing and judging. I think a one or two degree rotation clockwise would help the composition and add a hint of movement. This is another one where I’m not sure the sepia helps, or whether the nature of the photo is more oriented towards B&W.

Tadaaa – old sand
A time traveler, it feels like a snapshot of 1990’s woman on an 1890’s beach. The softness and slight grain help the effect. If this were the cover of a novel, it would make us want to pick up the book and learn the story.

Marie – good companions
Wonderful lively feel. The movement and composition is very rich, but the dynamic range is limited. More subtle shading and shadow on the women’s skin would add considerably.

Rpolitsr – cake decoration in grand grandmothers style
The bokeh throws me off a bit. The out-of-focus upper area draws attention to the limited range of depth in the whites. A bit busy around the edges; I think a tighter crop would have helped.

Mrshobden – summer dress
This feels like an old, faded glass plate photo. Good range and texture, but the strong vertical of the dress is too centered. A bit off to the side would be better balanced.

Xhack – pensive
Needs more range in the skin tones; that would create more depth to his pensive character.

Car – The Peoples Palace, Glasgow
The color is surreal. It looks like a UFO which has landed, perhaps in a Dr. Who episode. The mullions of the gazebo are all stark white, burnt out, and the shadow areas to uniformly dark; I’d like more range.

IVOlution – Pueblos Blancos
My initial thought was that I wanted it a bit darker, with fog or shadow to create mood, but with a title Pueblos Blancos it clearly is a bright, white place. Still, a little more of the range of old film would put some texture and character in the walls, and a bit more shadow down the road would draw me in further. The lack of detail in the bright white sunspot over the mans head is distracting.

CarloY – no title
The building is very dark; it needs more subtle range to give it the look I’m after. Tweaking the tone curve would help.

Ahobden – remember
I’d like a tight crop, just her face and the sprig of branch and one flower right below her. That would really focus the mood and the story of remembrance.

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corythosaurus
27th of April 2010 (Tue), 10:21
G10 - 6.1mm, ISO 80, f/2.8, 1/800
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc16/corythosaurus/IMG_0111A-1.jpg

susikamikaze
27th of April 2010 (Tue), 12:30
G11 6.11mm ISO100 f/2.8 1/15

446467

karo

Erik1974
27th of April 2010 (Tue), 14:36
http://members.casema.nl/e.degraaf173/fotos/sepia.jpg

JimAskew
27th of April 2010 (Tue), 16:39
G11: f/2.8, 1/60th, ISO 2500, 6MM

afkenner
27th of April 2010 (Tue), 18:41
G10

http://afkphoto.com/zenphoto/albums/mohonk/mohonk-sepia.jpg

Boutty
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 07:06
_G6_

Maureen Souza
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 15:54
Pro 1

Paul B
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 17:31
Canon G9

teekay
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 17:47
G1

http://community.netidea.com/teekay/temp/H2.jpg

Tadaaa
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 18:14
Canon G9

marie
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 18:18
Pro1
1/500 f/4


http://www.pbase.com/image/124044760/original.jpg

objetda
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 19:46
G11 - 25mm, ISO 100, f/4.5 -1, 1/2000
446842

Michael Wells
29th of April 2010 (Thu), 21:11
G9
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4564732162_60da6f0352_o.jpg

rpolitsr
30th of April 2010 (Fri), 01:03
http://sites.google.com/site/rpolitsr/r_polit_9/pictures/potnentries/273_sepia_IMG_7206_800.jpg

powershot Pro1

Kevan
1st of May 2010 (Sat), 19:29
G9:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4569691000_5ab9ff04fd_o.jpg

mrshobden
2nd of May 2010 (Sun), 03:53
G11
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/4569980939_0af7b91aa8_o.jpg

xhack
2nd of May 2010 (Sun), 04:33
G10 : 1/15, ƒ3.2. ISO 80, EV -1, sepia, 10.77mm (50mm equiv.)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b86/hectormac/IMG_0072.jpg

Car
2nd of May 2010 (Sun), 14:30
G7

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc306/biya_photos/ThePeoplesPalaceGlasgow.jpg

IVOlution
2nd of May 2010 (Sun), 17:20
G11

CarloY
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 02:57
G9 and PP

ahobden
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 05:10
G10

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3364/4574456204_9a0087ddeb_o.jpg

chisel
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 12:01
Closed for judging. I'll post the results in a few hours.

Great selection of entries, not a weak one in the batch. I feel like the subject really inspired everyone. Congratulations everyone!

IVOlution
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 12:27
Oooooh good stuff...nice one Chisel! I missed the "heat" last week, was busy in GN section :) But not this one!
Quality posts everyone, good job!

chisel
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 13:37
Results posted at the top. Congrats all on a wonderful range of photos.

Judging criteria:

I was looking for a couple things in this challenge. I want to see if digital can match the range and subtlety of film, so I was looking to see if the same images would have been better if shot with film, or if you’ve matched the film effect. I grew up with black and white prints, and remember the richness that was possible. So, dynamic range is be a significant criterion.

I want the sepia effect to contribute and help make the photo, not be an add-on or a gimmick. It needs to be a shot where it is significantly better in Sepia than it would be in color or B&W. And, I looked for a story that inspires my imagination.

Erik1974
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 15:54
Congratulations to the well deserved winners!
My personal favorite was "remember" because of the emotion and the story the photo could be telling.

As for the comments on my submission:

"Erik1974 – Frozen in time
It makes me wonder what she has in her hands, what she’s looking at. The shadow rings behind her ear from her tiara kind of throw me off, they’re very distracting. The gray scale in her sweater, especially in her arm, breaks down- film would certainly have more range here."

The fact that you wonder what's in her hands makes my mission a small succes as that was my intention as far as the story part goes. What you see as a shadow from her taira is actually the tiara itself, it is transparant :-).

Thanks for commenting on all submissions, this way we will all learn!

CarloY
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 15:55
Congrats Michael... nice choice and execution. Also congrats Objetda and Kevan. Good contest, thanks Chisel. Sepia from color definitely takes some technique in PP.

Michael Wells
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 17:23
Congrats to objetda, and Kevan, and thanks, chisel, for heaping the burden of responsibility on me for the next week!:lol: Seriously, I appreciate the time you took to comment on all the entries, and the time it takes to judge them all. I really didn't expect to be anywhere near the top of the heap this week with so many fine entries. The old clock in the photo is one that I originally got from my Grandmother years ago. "If" her information was correct, it's probably around 150 years old now, and was taken by my Grandfather, ( a butcher ) as payment for an order that his customer didn't have cash for. It probably came from Europe with that family sometime in the late 1800's or early 1900's. While I don't use it often, it still runs and keeps time rather well! As for the cobwebs, it's highly possible!:D Well, off to stew on a new topic!

teekay
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 18:15
Fine pix by all the top three and most of the others as well - I, too, would also have chosen the old clock as #1 - congratulations! mrshobden's dress shot was a favourite, too.

(chisel) "....I’d like a bit more range on the right side block wall; that would frame the alley and send me deeper towards the lone figure way that I think I spy back there." l)

You are quite right about the right hand wall being washed out, Chisel. I actually went back and took some exposure-bracketed shots and played around with Photomatix to try and get a good HDR image, but I still couldn't come up with one I liked. Not to mention that it was poor weather, and cars and people kept crossing the alley during the exposures.

Here's one of the resulting HDR images but I still couldn't get anything that I like better than my original.

Whatever - a most interesting and educational challenge!

http://community.netidea.com/teekay/temp/H2HDR.jpg

Kevan
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 18:23
Okay Michael... the pressure's on... so don't botch it up! If I might make a suggestion, how about something in the G&N vain? I've been working on some self-portraits I'm sure everyone would really enjoy.

Congrats to objetda too; yours was my personal fav. Everyone did terrific job and it was exciting to see that so many folk participated in this challenge. Who knew Sepia was so popular? I guess chisel did. Good job sir.

Michael Wells
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 18:42
Okay Michael... the pressure's on... so don't botch it up! If I might make a suggestion, how about something in the G&N vain? I've been working on some self-portraits I'm sure everyone would really enjoy.

^^^^^^^^:shock:^^^^^^^^

afkenner
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 19:27
Congrats winners, and thanks to chisel for a terrific theme! A great collection of images that totally capture the "sepia" mood.

chisel
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 20:24
I've tweaked three of the images per the comments I made.
For xhack's picture of the boy, I copied it, pasted it over itself, and used multiply with partial opacity to bring out some more skin tones. That's a poor man's HDR effect.

chisel
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 20:25
And the third tweak.

I explored crops, tone curve, saturation.

rpolitsr, teekay, you don't have "Image Editing OK" in your profiles, but is it ok if I tweak yours too and upload them here?

rpolitsr
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 20:46
Congratulations Michael Wells, objetda, Kevan_G9 for the top places.

It was a pleasure to see this collection of images evoking the old times as I remember them from the big drawer full of old B&W and sepia pictures on my father's house.

Michael, your picture is the perfect combination of subject and hues to win this challenge!

I used the cake pictures because the original jpgs in full color are very similar to a sepia picture as you can see in the small picture below.

http://sites.google.com/site/rpolitsr/r_polit_9/pictures/potnaux/273_sepia_IMG_7203.jpg


I had hard times finding the exact hue for sepia on a loaned computer with Photoshop CS. I even thought of borrowing the 'color' of afkenner's image :).

Once I got the color, the next problem was the amount of white in my picture that refused to show the sepia tone. I guess that using a B&W image to start the transformation may be easy, but I used only a layer in photoshop with the blending mode set to color.

The result was the overexposed parts on the top of the image that added blur to the slightly out-of-focus top.

After posting my entry, I got my computer working again and re-installed lightroom in it.
Below you can see the same image of my entry with the sepia achieved using the lightroom 'sepia' preset.
Although I liked the wheat ears in the bottom right, I cropped them as suggested by chisel.

http://sites.google.com/site/rpolitsr/r_polit_9/pictures/potnentries/273_sepia_lr_IMG_7206_800.jpg

As you see, I learned a lot with my first serious sepia attempt. Thank you chisel

afkenner
3rd of May 2010 (Mon), 21:22
Two more sepia shots from the same hotel (Mohonk Mountain House (http://www.mohonk.com), Lake Mohonk, NY) - a fascinating and historic hotel in an incredible setting. Very much open and operating year-round. Despite the eerie, empty, overgrown appearance of these photos, it's a beautifully maintained property and an amazing place to visit.

http://www.afkphoto.com/zenphoto/albums/mohonk/mohonk2009-2.jpg


http://www.afkphoto.com/zenphoto/albums/mohonk/mohonk2009-3.jpg

IVOlution
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 04:49
And the third tweak.

I explored crops, tone curve, saturation.

rpolitsr, teekay, you don't have "Image Editing OK" in your profiles, but is it ok if I tweak yours too and upload them here?

Thank you for your time and doing this...and yes you are right, more contrast better... :/ I have a bit a problem with my screen, it is too dark. Did not check on my laptop...
Tnx again!
;)

mrshobden
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 05:10
Congrats to the winners and thank you Chisel for an interesting challenge.

I agree with you, Chisel ,that my dress should've been on the third line; in fact Adam had already pointed it out to me when I first posted it....BUT I had already decided that rules are occasionally made to be broken and in keeping with the 1800s sepia theme I needed the dress to hang over the door handles to help transport the mind away from the 21st century into an 19th century boudoir!!

I did have my favourites, in addition to the winners already placed - Erik1974, IVOlution, teekay and, of course, ahobden !!!

marie
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 05:33
:D

Congratulations to the winner Michael :cool:
terrific photo
(also, it reminds me of the same type of clock which was hanging in our kitchen when we were children)
(think my sister has it in the attic):confused:

lol

:cool:

Congratulations to runner up #2 Objetda
(welcome to the forum and challenge )
: )
and Congratulations to # 3 Kevan



thank you for hosting and judging and comments Chisel
always not an easy task.

many thanks for comments regards my picture
it was deliberated that I added in glow to make the girls skin shine
(like pearls .. in a rough world) lol
I guess we make pictures how we ourselves see things
(don't want to go back too far in time ..... << twas no great shakes )
: )))

Big welcome to all the newcomers :)
don't forget to watch out for correct measurements when entering pictures for the challenge

loved Linda's picture especially. really gave an old impression of years long gone and dresses hanging like it,waiting for their day or night out
lovely feel to it


edit
(had this typed before I read Linda's reply here now )



loved all the smashing pictures
:)

Boutty
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 06:45
Well done ALL & congratulations to winners - Michael Wells, objetda, Kevan_G9. Many thanks to host chisel for the educated challenge and great comments. ;)


History

Beginningin the 1880s, sepia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia) was produced by adding a pigment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigment), made from the Sepia officinalis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_officinalis) cuttlefish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuttlefish) found in the English channel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_channel)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_print_toning#cite_note-0), to the positive print of a photograph. The term 'sepia' comes from the name of the pigment.


Wow! Who'd ever thought of that! bw!


Boutty – This old church
Too much noise distracts from losing myself in the mood of the scene. It feels a bit too photoshopped and the reflection in the water, which could have been a wonderful element, gets lost.


I must admit I did over dressing my entered image a tad.

After submitting mine I found a couple appropriate images which I took in camera with the sepia mode but too lazy to change it. Bugger! :(

objetda
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 07:23
This little challenge is great to get the creative side flowing again, and there was no way I thought I would be in the top three first submission...can't wait for what Michael may conjour up next week:)
Congratulations Michael on your entry, you hit the nail on the head with the brief and to everyone else who contributed great pictures to this challenge. All the shots are worthy and can't believe Chisel only took 2HRS to decide over all those fantastic shots.
Chisel your comments on my shot was exactly what I was thinking while creating the sepia. Thankyou for taking the time to delve into mine and everyone else's shots and giving constructive criticism where noted. Can't wait for the next topic:)

chisel
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 07:42
All the shots are worthy and can't believe Chisel only took 2HRS to decide over all those fantastic shots.

I'd like you to think that, but actually I d/l'ed all the photos over the weekend, printed them out for reference, and started writing comments on them while referring to the screen images, both on my desktop and laptop machines (different monitors display differently).
I checked again Monday morning and at the closing time to see if there were new or changed entries. Judging is intimidating, upon winning last time I had my regrets about entering. :)

So, no, it didn't just take 2 hours, but I will say that Michael's photo was the one that really grabbed me on first look. I was then careful to make sure it stayed strong for me, because sometimes an image that gives an instant "wow" fades upon deeper examination.

I'm very interested in my initial premise, and hope we find more ways to explore it- the examination of whether there are still ways in which digital can't match the analog depth of film, or whether it is now reaching that maturity.

objetda
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 08:50
Congrats to objetda too; yours was my personal fav.

Thankyou Kevan_G9 I'm glad to hear you liked my shot. I just got back from Vietnam only about 4 weeks ago and wish I was still there, but with work commitments it already feels like a distant memory...thank god for photos.

objetda
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 08:58
I'd like you to think that, but actually I d/l'ed all the photos over the weekend...So, no, it didn't just take 2 hours

Sorry Chisel I went by the time you posted the first message closed for judging and then announcing the winner. I was trying to work out how you could of taken in all those great images in such a short time frame and then write detailed comments for every one. Well done on a great challenge.

corythosaurus
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 10:30
Great work this week! Lots of entries and all were fantastic in their own right.

Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to chisel for hosting and for the "mention".

Maureen Souza
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 16:55
Congrats to Michael and the runners up!!! I am not a sepia fan and not good at sepia conversions, either. But it was fun to try something different so thanks for the challenge, chisel:)

Car
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 17:27
Car – The Peoples Palace, Glasgow
The color is surreal. It looks like a UFO which has landed, perhaps in a Dr. Who episode. The mullions of the gazebo are all stark white, burnt out, and the shadow areas to uniformly dark; I’d like more range.


That's what happens when you do PP on a laptop:( The original is nice, honest (and not a dalek in sight) lol
Congrats to the winners and Chisel for hosting and judging.

rpolitsr
4th of May 2010 (Tue), 23:31
And the third tweak.

I explored crops, tone curve, saturation.

rpolitsr, teekay, you don't have "Image Editing OK" in your profiles, but is it ok if I tweak yours too and upload them here?

Oops! I skipped the last line to see the image below, sorry :oops:
chisel, I interpreted your written comment and already posted a second version but yes, you can made the edition and re-post the edited image. I switched my edit permissions to OK.

ahobden
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 02:53
Congratulations to all the winners, great topic chisel. Some great images here well done all.

Theres a lot of chat here about how to do sepia conversions, myself and linda just used the sepia modes on our G10 and G11 respectivily, added a texture and a bit of contrast in PP. Job done.

The model in my image is our daughter, lit from camera right using a northfacing window, and a relector to bounce light back onto her face. The flowers are a plastic set (that we received as a wedding present !!) and are proving to be a useful prop in these challenges. ...with flowers and my love ....

Personally I like to push myself and create a new image for each of these challenges as they happen, (not always successfully of course !), rather than rely on a library image that I have taken previously. It's just a personal thing I guess and helps keep the grey matter thinking creativily and makes sure that my photography (hopefully) continously improves.

xhack
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 05:42
Yep, good topic and some really cracking images. Well done, everyone.

Chisel - Nice effort in restoring skins tones in my pic. I cropped, re-sized and sharpened slightly within Photoshop; otherwise little other tweaking. Weirdly, the skins tones were FAR better in the original - it looks like the Photobucket transfer wiped out something to the right of the histogram.

I shot "sepia" in camera, using the G10 colour options, rather applying the tint in PP. Anyone know which is the better road to go?

Michael Wells
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 06:44
I had an odd experience with that same issue...I decided to go ahead with the in-camera sepia, and it looked good on the camera monitor, but when I downloaded to the computer, there was little, if any sepia tone to the picture. I put the card back into the camera, and it still looked right on the camera screen. I then had no choice but to add the color cast in post. The only thing I could think of is that maybe the in-camera feature didn't work so well with a raw image, and I didn't have time to go back and re-do it in jpeg. Generally, the camera and computer screen are in pretty close agreement, but not this time.

ahobden
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 07:09
I have to admit that I shot in JPEG rather than RAW this time round and didn't notice a particular shift in the sepia tone, although I did push the contrast quite heavily after adding the texture.

chisel
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 08:27
chisel, I interpreted your written comment and already posted a second version but yes, you can made the edition and re-post the edited image. I switched my edit permissions to OK.
Here are two edits. On the left is an edit of your original, on the right from your later version. I considered retaining the cross on top, but that made the overall composition too tall. Looking at these now, I think I cropped too much off the bottom, it needs a bit more to frame the center elements.

I do think the cropping helps clarify and focus the composition.

Another option would be to crop even more off the top, just get the center section with a bit of framing.

chisel
5th of May 2010 (Wed), 08:31
Here is a tighter crop; I'm not sure about it, let me know what you think.

I also used the technique of copying all, pasting, and using multiply with about 40% opacity to bring out the detail in the whites.