Frantic 10D purchases!

[Morden]

I note the frantic ordering, by several posters here, of the newly 'available' Canon 10D. According to most accounts, this new model should indeed be available in reasonable numbers shortly. I want one myself!

However, I will delay my purchase of a shiny new 10D for a while yet, for more than one reason.

Firstly, I want to see available units before I part with my D60 (I am NOT rich).

Secondly, I want to discover what the problems are with this new camera. No matter how 'improved' it is, there must be some flaws!

Thirdly, I employ a suite of excellent tools - such as Pekka's Linear Sharpen, when processing my images. Just how long will it be before such tools are prepared and available for the new 10D?

Maybe I am clinging to 'old' technology, or resentful of this 'fix' to the camera that I bought a few months ago. I don't think so; I take photos with my D60, process them, print them, and the final results are very nice. What I am using *now* works. To all those awaiting their 10D's, I say "Good Luck!"; I want one, and I will probably buy one (unless some serious flaw is revealed) but, for now, I will battle on with my 'old' D60. :)

Enough ranting from me! What does anyone else think?

[kellylipp]

Interesting.

I'm more or less in the same boat. I'm in the high tech field so am used to this sort of thing, but was not happy when it happened: new camera in December, new model in March. I really should have been paying attention.

That said, I love my D-60! I am taking great pictures and having a lot of fun learning the tools to take pictures from the camera and make great pictures on paper.

But....

I'm still a guy that wants the newest greatest thing. Even though I probably won't use half the features of the D-60 and even fewer on the 10D, I still want 'em. I'm trying to rationalize my feelings/behaviour but having little luck.

Gee, it's sure nice to "lie down on the couch" of this forum. Like minded folks all facing the same problems.

Now, if only I were smart enough to work Photoshop and if only I were a better a photographer than I am.

The wisest thing I've read in the list so far is the fact that there will be bugs. I don't need to be an early adopter and fix bugs for Canon. I'll wait and figure out how to spend another $1500 on a camera to replace a camera I spent $2200 on three months ago.

sigh...

Kelly

[jmamer]

These are thoughtful comments. I've been wrestling with the same issues. I too have a tendency toward the latest and greatest technology, and don't mind doing a little debugging in the process-- that was part of the game in the computer world.

Some how the 10D had just not grabbed me the way the D60 announcement did. I know my D60 has it's flaws, but they've never bitten me the way they've bitten some users, but then I'm pretty much a hobbiest only. Part of it for me is the resolution thing. The D60 was a big break through, I could take crops out of my pictures and blow them up to 8x10 and they looked good. The sensor size of the D60 just won't let them increase the resolution much more. So at the current sensor size, the D60 resolution is what you get (some say that at this size 6.5 mp is over doing it). Unless the 10D turns out to be a nearly perfect camera, in whch case I might replace my D60, it looks like it's going to take a full size sensor to give me pictures that create another "wow!" experience. And given the rate at which Canon makes announcements, I won't have to wait long.

If we look at personal computers, eventually the rate at which people will upgrade will slow down. As it stands now the PC and chip makers are having trouble getting a price premium for the latest and greatest--simply because last year's PC meets most of our needs. The same will evetually be true of digital cameras (it is certainly true for film cameras). So when will we get off the product replacement merry-go-round? For me it would be a full frame 18mp sensor in an Elan 7 body.

Of course until then I certainly hope that lots of people buy Canon's new offerings so they will make lots of money and plow that money back into R and D and produce better and even cheaper cameras. Once my bank account recovers, I'll probably help them myself, but not with the sense of urgency that surrounded the D60.

O.K. enough spouting off, back to work.....

j

[martcol]

I understand everything being said here but am in a slightly different position in that the 10D will be my leap into DSLR territory. I'm still smarting from having my G2 for less than a year and it now being available for £200.00 (30%) less than I paid. I sympathise with anyone who recently bought the D60.

I am reluctantly, waiting to hear more about the D60 when it gets into the hands of ordinary users. I'll certainly be scanning these pages to discover more.

Still, I think I'll take the plunge soon anyway on the basis that I will never be able to afford Canon's Pro offering and there's not that much in the 10D's price range now that can offer such value for money.

[henkbos]

I have the same problems with cars, houses, cameras, wine, etc, etc. Can't get enough, always want better and faster.

BUT:
I'm happy with my 4 bedroom villa, my Mercedes S320, the Australian Jacobs Creek and my beloved D60 for which I paid $2200 last year. Too much? May be, but no one is going to take the fun away that I had for the last year. The D60 will serve me for many more to come.

[50/1.4]

To be honest, I think you are frantic to get one and projecting this desire onto others. But you are smart enough and experienced enough to not give in and jump into something untested uneccessarily since you already have a good DSLR. You think you are clinging to old technology and are resentful of the fix. Nothing wrong with any of this and I'm not criticizing you, but consider that you yourself brought these issues up, it must come from somewhere inside. I think you will ultimately make the decision to buy more from finding fault with the D60 or feeling it is somehow inadequate than from feeling assured the 10D is "bulletproof." I'm on a waiting list now for the 10D, my first digital camera, and I pretty much share your feelings. Good luck and enjoy that D60, it's still a very nice camera and my friend's experience with it is why I'm buying the 10D.

[Longwatcher]

Being one of those looking to get a 10D as soon as I can (although I have not preordered, I usually avoid preordering anything, unless necessary). My desire is more of the nature to get a back-up camera so I can obtain work in a professional manner (even if it is part time). I need a back-up camera and had planned on getting one in Feb, but held off until now, because of anticipated announcements from Canon at PMA. While the 10D does not meet all of my desires, it will become my primary while my D60 becomes the back-up.

I am also happy about the compatability between the two as it appears a lot of the accessories are compatable. I am hoping the cables are compatable (although I can visually see the USB port is different [looks better on 10D]). For 95% of the jobs I am likely to get on a part time basis having the 10D with D60 for back-up should work great. The remaining 5% will always require the biggest/best sensors or full-frame technology not available in the 10D.

I also waited before finally buying the prime I wanted as I waited to see if the new camera would be FF, 1.6x, or something in-between. It looks like the 50/1.4 will be the lens I need based on the x1.6 crop factor. I have it on order and expect it before end of the week (update-make that in a few hours - just checked Fedex). If it had been a FF, I would have probably gone for the more expensive 85/1.2L. [Trivia: I chose this based on where I normally shoot my 28-135mm zoom from]

I have heard rumours of another camera coming out this summer [$3,200 range, FF or x1.3, 9-11 Megapixels], but need the back-up now, if it works out where I get a regular number of shoots working part time, then I will probably upgrade if the rumours later prove correct. If not there is no need to waste my money when the 10D will serve for the jobs I do get.

Just my logic on going for it now, instead of waiting.

[kellylipp]

Well this got interestind didn't it?

I guess I have to agree with the diagnoses. I admit it: wanting the best makes me think what I have is inferior. But I'm coming to grips with this and have sufficient financial limitations to keep from being completely stupid!

The best "wait" arguement had already, obviously, occurred to me: full size sensor at 12 MP (or whatever) should be when we move again.

For now, I love the D60. Loved it before I bought it and love it now. In fact, I'm thinking of getting it out and taking some pictures of my living room just to reassure myself.

Thanks folks. This is a fun list. And this string is much better than the 1 GB SanDisk discussion. Whew, those boys were about to come to blows!

Keeping it civil and in the realm of the shrinks,

Kelly

[Rudi]

henkbos wrote:
I'm happy with my 4 bedroom villa, my Mercedes S320, the Australian Jacobs Creek and my beloved D60 for which I paid $2200 last year.

Jacobs Creek? ... Jacobs Creek? ... We use that to rinse after brushing our teeth here in Oz, mate! You should try some *nice* Aussie wine! :)

[henkbos]

Expensive enough here in Dubai. We can swop: good wine for cheap petrol? Fortunately I use more gas than wine, so at the end of the day .....

[Rudi]

Not fair, Henk! :(

[hugodrax]

Funny thing is I was planning on getting a D60 but decided to hold off for somereason I felt there were still issues with the camera (3 AF points) slow autofocus etc.. anyhow you can read about the cons in Dpreview I will not list them here but the camera did not call my name and I stuck with film a year longer. the 10D fixed all the problems that held me back and at a US price of (1309 from dell with extra 40 dollar discount a full 900 dollars cheaper than D60) for a camera that fixed the D60 bugs etc.. was very hard to resist and now I will be going Digital. It would suck to buy a camera for 2100 and 2 months later 900 cheaper gets you a polished version of the D60

[David Lawson]

Canon no longer need to market products, websites are doing it for them. The feeding frenzy starts and there seem to be no stopping it. That's how they got away with the D60, which now works as it should have in it's new incarnation. There really was no excuse for such a poor AF system in a £2000 camera. In six months, or so's time. The frenzy will start again. You'll here all the usual cries, wish I'd waited for the extra pixels etc. I'm still counting my 4 million and only up to 1289654, damm it lost count will have to start again: ) David

[Morden]

I am still using my D60 - and still enjoying doing so. None of the 'problems' associated with the camera affect my own use of it, and the photos that I get are wonderful.

Having said that, the more that I hear confirming the improvements in the 10D (NOT D10), the more I want to 'upgrade'. Right now, the new cameras are pretty hard to get quickly here in the UK, and I can't afford to pay for a 10D then sell my D60 once I have my new camera.

Ah, well, I'll just have to wait. :)

[Rudi]

Morden wrote:
I am still using my D60 - and still enjoying doing so. None of the 'problems' associated with the camera affect my own use of it, and the photos that I get are wonderful.

Morden,

That's exactly how I felt about my D30! I tended to work around the problems, because as far as I was concerned, they were not problems, they were a feature of the camera. I bought the D30 after trying it out, and I knew that its AF was not the best - but it was still the ONLY affordable SLR around at that time, all those months ago... :eyes

I bought a 10D fully intending to keep my D30 as a backup body. After just two days of owning the 10D, I decided to sell my D30! Why? The 10 D is so much better, I would never reach for the D30 in the bag... so I sold it to someone who'll love it like I did! It would kill me to see that lovely camera just sitting in the bag - that's not what they're designed for. :)

So, don't try the 10D, or you might change your mind about the D60! (And I'm NOT picking on the D60! I know it's a nice camera, I used one for some time on some jobs.)

[Morden]

So, don't try the 10D, or you might change your mind about the D60! (And I'm NOT picking on the D60! I know it's a nice camera, I used one for some time on some jobs.)
Oh, I know for sure that I'll get a 10D. It's just a matter of having the money (or not, as is the case at the moment :( ).

[LittleG.]

jmamer wrote:
Unless the 10D turns out to be a nearly perfect camera, in whch case I might replace my D60, it looks like it's going to take a full size sensor to give me pictures that create another "wow!" experience. And given the rate at which Canon makes announcements, I won't have to wait long.

....... it would be a full frame 18mp sensor in an Elan 7 body.

j

Absolutely in agreement on those two points. I was thinking this morning that at the current rate of replacements I may as well hold out for the 'near perfect' cam (an 18mp Elan 7 sounds perfect to me). If I opted to trade in my D60 for a 10D not only would I make a large financial loss for what amounts to the same cam with bug fixes, but the same thing would inevitably happen again when the next model was released and I wanted that!

As tempting as it is to buy into 'the latest model' habit, it is impossible to keep it going every time a new model comes out. So, I'll wait for the near perfect cam I think ...... and I am thinking I won't trade in my D60 either. I am just realising how important a back up cam will be if [horror of horrors] the main workhorse cam needs to go to Canon Hospital any time.

[hugodrax]

To be honest I do not see the rush D60 owners have with jumping to a 10D. Obviously when you chose the D60 you understood the limitations and was able to work with them (and D60 was purchased) and then a few months later jump to the 10D. The 10D will be my first DSLR since I skipped the D30,D60 and I will hold on to it for a few generations since I will be building up my lens kit VS jumping on the every revision of the DSLR just so I can have the latest. I can live with the 10D limitations since all my concerns have been resolved. I do suspect some people are more gadget hunters than photographers use the money to get some nice lenses.

[Morden]

I do suspect some people are more gadget hunters than photographers
....or both?

use the money to get some nice lenses.
Already got a few, thanks. :)

[justme_dc]

The 10D is my first Digital camera of any kind. I couldn't justify buying the D30. It was too little camera for the money IMHO. When I finally decided to get a D60 (with it's flaws), they were unavailabe new. That is to say you could get one, but only for list price and only rarely. I waited until the 10D was announced and got on a list. I don't think it was a frantic decision considering how poorly canon fulfilled orders on the D60. People waited months to get one. I figured if I got on the list early I might see a camera before the next one is announced. Plus the price point finally made sense. At the rate I process and print roll film for personal use I should break even in about 12 months.

I am not one to get the latest and greatest stuff I usually wait. I mean I am still using a EOS 1 Body on a weekly basis. Wanna complain about poor auto focus? Try a EOS 1 in low light some time. If I already had a D60 would I buy a 10D? Doubtful... But I didn't have to make that decision...

[Kevin Connery]

"Tools are for using."

I'd love a 10D; the improved AF would be quite helpful, and the increased "ISO speeds" would also. But when I chose to go digital, it was for a camera that satisfied my needs, if not all the wants.

Spending another $1500 for "want" isn't something I can justify, especially when a 1D--even with the lower pixel count--would be a larger upgrade for the way I shoot.

I figure a used 1D is my next camera, or whatever 'new' machine that'll be out in another 18-24 months.

But I wouldn't MIND a 10D at all...