300D or 10D?

[voksboy]

I'm still undecided on what to get. I've boiled it down to this, 10D (used with 2 years warranty) or Black 300D (Bnew with 4 years warranty) or a 20D (New 1 year warranty).

20D hands down is the best! (Trying to save if ever)

So to my original question 300D or 10D?

The 10D comes with everything from grip to a decent lens and 2 years warranty left on it. From Best buy I think

While the 300D black body brand new with it's manufactures warranty and extended 3 year Mack


They are about the same price with everything, grip lens etc.

So if I where to choose one, what should I choose?

Please help, I'm going crazy deciding. I'll be shooting a bunch of cars bikes etc. Some moving shots but mostly just love taking pictures with digital and playing around. So not planning to make money off it but some/lots pictures will be used on a magazine.

I know I have a good eye (so I'm told) I don't want to spend a mint on my first slr but I don't want to be super cheap either. 350D would of been great budget wise but it's just way to small even with the grip.

Thanks

[tim]

The main difference between the 10D and 300D is the 10D has a stronger case, but also it's quicker to use as it has more buttons on the outside rather than using menus. I think it has a larger buffer too, but that's not likely to be a big issue unless you shoot sports. The main advantages of the 20D over them are:
- The speed of operation (you rarely wait for the camera).
- Much larger buffer (you can take more photos without waiting for it). You can also take more frames per second, but not many people actually use that feature.
- High ISO performance - ie the pics will look better in low light
- Resolution increases slightly, but not really enough to bother with. 6MP is plenty, 8MP is a little better for large prints in magazines. I've had pics from both printed at 30*20 inches and you can't tell the difference.

The question is really budget. All will do what you want well, it's really features vs price.

[voksboy]

Actually the FPS is the first thing I play with in the camera. Mostly because when I do take pictures it's of a race bike or car, action shots. Also the eye focus thing (not really important but my old film cam had it) nice fuction.

When I play with the 300D whenever I take the mutipule shot thing (fps?) it thends to shoot 4 shots pretty quick then slows down a lot. Is the 10D like this too?

I'm really quite new into the digital world and although my credit card will say yes, I'm not sure if I should go beyong a comfortable budget. The 300D and the 10D with the standard hop ups that I want would roughly cost 1000 bucks but the 20D will start at 1400 without grip batts etc. Plus it's my first SLR, so I'm not sure how I'll handle it :D

If only that 350 xt would of been bigger (canon why oh why?). Then again my wife would probably like it more.

Oh last question, I know if you shoot in raw format you can change the picture to Black and White. But does the 10D or the 20D have that function built in?

[grego]

10D w/grip.

Keep in mind, that you are getting extra stuff with the grip included. 10D has 3fps, while the 300D has 2.5fps, while the 20D is 5fps.

The 300D/Rebel feels like plastic, and doesn't feel that nice to me, when I've used it. The 10D feels a lot better, especially with the grip. The vertical button is great. And also the ability to hold 2 batteries. The grip alone runs from about 100-150.

However, the 20D cleans up what the 10D sort of lacked. So, its up to you, really. The lens is more important when comparing between the 10D and 20D, I believe, to be honest. Of course there are some differences, but you'll do fine with either.

So its more about how much do you want to put into your first body versus how much you want to put into lens. A lens you will not really replace, a body you will.

[voksboy]

oh and one more thing, okay two

Can this be said, all the 300D features including the hacks are all in the 10D? So that would mean the 10D is a better camera al together right?

Also the 300D is a newer release compaired to the 10D. Does that play a factor at all? The 10D has been around about a year or so before the 300D, Correct? Any thoughts on better quility parts on the 300, of the 10?

Guys thanks for ther posts, it's really helping me decide.

[grego]

oh and one more thing, okay two

Can this be said, all the 300D features including the hacks are all in the 10D? So that would mean the 10D is a better camera al together right?

Also the 300D is a newer release compaired to the 10D. Does that play a factor at all? The 10D has been around about a year or so before the 300D, Correct? Any thoughts on better quility parts on the 300, of the 10?

Guys thanks for ther posts, it's really helping me decide.

Yeah, the AI Servo is on the 10D. The hack isn't a complete AI Servo anyway.

The 10D is a better camera. That's why it was priced higher. It's on a higher level. The 300D is a poor man's 10D if you want to look at it that way. And the 10D is the poor man's 1D MK I.

[David1943]

Actually the FPS is the first thing I play with in the camera. Mostly because when I do take pictures it's of a race bike or car, action shots. Also the eye focus thing (not really important but my old film cam had it) nice fuction.
I'm one of the seemingly few people here who actually likes the 300D but I began my photography many years ago when it really was a must to learn how to set a camera manually, something I often do now because I like to feel in control rather than letting the camera make decisions for me.

Regarding your enthusiasm for frames per second: If that is important to you bearing in mind the type of photography you intend to do, I'd advise you to definitely go straight for the 20D (5FPS) or even the 1DMK11 (8FPS). A lot of people appear to rush into buying a camera, not realising until it's too late that they've made a mistake and then wishing they'd waited and saved for a more advanced model.

[glenhead]

10D with grip (and decent glass) vs. 20D alone (and at least $350 more)? That one, for me, was a no-brainer - save the $600 (after buying a grip for the 20D) and get better glass.

Compared to the 300D, the 10D has most of the camera-setting changing capabilities right at your fingertips, with its native software (no hack required). If you need to change something quickly, spin the dial behind the shutter release or on the back of the camera, and rock and roll. After you get to know the controls you can do it by click count and know you're getting what you want - that's what I did with my Elan IIe and my A2E, and the controls are the same on the 10D. I also like the 10D's heft, especially with the grip - a heavier camera is more inherently stable (well, unless it's so heavy you can't hold it steady, but play along...)

The 10D will buffer nine frames at just over three frames per second, compared to the 20D buffering 20-some shots at 5 fps. You say you have a good eye - take that pride and confidence, combine it with a good camera and good lens for less money, and don't worry about machine-gunning more shots hoping to get a good one. A good eye backed up by good glass will win over a machine gun any day.

[voksboy]

Guys, thanks for the info. Looks like i'll go for the 10D. Thanks for all the help! I really hope I get an excellent one :D

By the way this is a great shot of my car. Shot with a 300D and a regular sigma lens.

http://www.motorcycleasia.com/bulacan/fj40.jpg

Can't wait to get my own SLR :)

[Andrew Pratt]

I've owned the 300D and now have a 10D and IMO the 10D's a step up in quality. There's a few features that are missing on the 300D (even with the hack) and the extra buttons make it easier to use. For similar money the 10D's the better buy.