10D Vs 20D Vs 350D

[FredP]

Ok, I am an owner of the 10D. And enjoy it very much. But have been thinking of upgrading if it seems worthwhile. Which way to go though I am unsure of.

How do the 20D and the 350D compare to the 10D?

Fred

[grego]

The 10D is the mid level SLR of its time which the 20D replaced. The 350D replaces the 300D. So if you are going to upgrade, go with the 20D.

The 20D just fixes the little things on the 10D that needed improvement and of course it has some enchancements like 5fps and better resolution. :)

But I wouldn't sell the 10D. It would make a good second camera to have on hand.

But you should try them out at a store to see what you like and if you think an upgrade is worth it.

[RikWriter]

I upgraded to the 20D from the 10D and I don't regret it---the 20D has a lot of improvements. I would have liked to have kept the 10D as a backup, but I couldn't afford it.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Yes definitely..

On.ly consider the 20D as an "upgrade"

the 350D does add some improvements over the 10D,. mainly the increased MP..

But the 10D and 20D share the same advanced features that the "rebels" lack.. many of which you may sorely miss.

[FredP]

Thanks. That helps alot. I was curious if the 350d was some sort of new high end cam since the MP were higher than the 10d.

I am going to put together a list of my lenses next, and Im hoping I can figure out what lens to get next as well!

Fred

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Don't get the XT, you would hate it after using the 10D. Only choice is 20D, but it's not much of an upgrade either.

[theflyingkiwi]

I am going to be different here. mainly because I have the 10d and I haven't upgraded. Why well you see the lenes that I am using aren't the best and I am spending my money on the getting some decent glass.

You have said anything about what kinda of glass you use and what kinda of photography you do. Unless the 10d fails to do this then perhaps the upgrade should wait.

I would look very hard at the replacement for the 20d, when ever that comes out.

just my 2 cents :)

[Andy_T]

I would look very hard at the replacement for the 20d, when ever that comes out.


Ditto. There are rumors on the forum (try a search) about the successor of the 20D (think it called was 5D) in the works until the end of the year.

Best regards,
Andy

[RikWriter]

Don't get the XT, you would hate it after using the 10D. Only choice is 20D, but it's not much of an upgrade either.

On the contrary, it's a pretty big upgrade.

[Sylvain]

Ok, I am an owner of the 10D. And enjoy it very much. But have been thinking of upgrading if it seems worthwhile. Which way to go though I am unsure of.
How do the 20D and the 350D compare to the 10D?
Fred

Fred, there is a link in the following thread about a 350D - 20D comparison that you may find useful:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=87408

[su719]

Being an owner of an XT. I think both a 20D and a 350D could be considered an upgrade. The determining factor is what do you do with your camera. If you used a lot of the advanced functions available on the 10D, then you should go to the 20D. If you rarely use those functions and want more mega pixels, instant startup, faster autofocus, then the 350D is for you.

[RikWriter]

Being an owner of an XT. I think both a 20D and a 350D could be considered an upgrade. The determining factor is what do you do with your camera. If you used a lot of the advanced functions available on the 10D, then you should go to the 20D. If you rarely use those functions and want more mega pixels, instant startup, faster autofocus, then the 350D is for you.

You neglected to include higher ISO settings and a bigger buffer.

[BobbyC]

I've found the AF on the 20D to be much better than the 10D for action shooting and the high ISO performance alone was worth the upgrade. 5 fps is nice and I didn't realize how much faster it was. I haven't used any of the rebels so I can't comment on them.

[theflyingkiwi]

Ditto. There are rumors on the forum (try a search) about the successor of the 20D (think it called was 5D) in the works until the end of the year.

Best regards,
Andy

Like anything that comes from Canon, they don't say anything until they are ready to deliver to the market. It will be interesting and I am not expecting anything until next year.

But I still don't see the 20d and worth while upgrade from the existing camera. Perhaps if you are missing shots perhaps.

[RikWriter]

But I still don't see the 20d and worth while upgrade from the existing camera. Perhaps if you are missing shots perhaps.

One has to wonder what you WOULD consider a worthwhile upgrade? A 1DMKII?

[FredP]

does the 20d startup instantly as well?

[RikWriter]

does the 20d startup instantly as well?

Yes.

[walkien]

I have a 10D for more than a year now, I love this camera alot, I was thinking to upgrade to 20D couple months ago, then I decided not to, getting a better camera does not make me a better photographer. I rather spend more time to improve and master my photography skill, then I will upgrade to a better camera, may be a 1D or newer model.

[theflyingkiwi]

One has to wonder what you WOULD consider a worthwhile upgrade? A 1DMKII?

That is an interesting question. While the mega pixels count, I don't consider an upgrade from 6-8 enough for the cost. While I would like a 1DMKII, it would be because of the 8 fps and the extra functions that the camera has. Also the improved low light focusing.

However in saying that I like the idea of full frame and really wouldn't say no to the 1dsMKII. This is despite only having 4 fps.

So for me an upgrade would have to include the following

at leaset 10-12mp
4-5 fps and a good buffer for raw (like 8-10 photos)
good low light focusing
full frame.
being able to find out what focal length I am at in the view finder, or ISO setting in the view finder.
and the words Canon printed in pure gold on the front (even tho this is optional) :)

There are things that are going to improve as the technology improves, such as ISO noise.

But at the end other day I only have been taking photos for 2 years or so and I still have allot to learn.

[grego]

I have a 10D for more than a year now, I love this camera alot, I was thinking to upgrade to 20D couple months ago, then I decided not to, getting a better camera does not make me a better photographer. I rather spend more time to improve and master my photography skill, then I will upgrade to a better camera, may be a 1D or newer model.

Also buy better lens. Oh whoops, I send "buy." I mean save your money. :)

[RikWriter]

So for me an upgrade would have to include the following

at leaset 10-12mp
4-5 fps and a good buffer for raw (like 8-10 photos)
good low light focusing
full frame.
being able to find out what focal length I am at in the view finder, or ISO setting in the view finder.
and the words Canon printed in pure gold on the front (even tho this is optional) :)


That product would cost somewhere in the range of $5000+. Most people couldn't afford that upgrade.

[OregonRebel]

Let all discussion cease: Consumer Reports has spoken. Here are the rankings of digital SLRs from their September 2005 issue:

1. Canon EOS Rebel XT
2. Konica Maxxum 7D
3. Nikon D70
4. Canon EOS 20D
5. Sigma SD10
6. Olympus E 300
7. Pentax*ist DS

I may have crummy lenses, but it's nice to know my Rebel XT is better than a 20D. :lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

That product would cost somewhere in the range of $5000+. Most people couldn't afford that upgrade.

then by the time it's get to the price I can afford then it will be an upgrade.

I don't believe in just updating toys just for the sake of it. My money is best spent on other things. like lenes :lol:

[RikWriter]

then by the time it's get to the price I can afford then it will be an upgrade.

I don't believe in just updating toys just for the sake of it. My money is best spent on other things. like lenes :lol:

I reject your assertion that the 20D is "updating toys for the sake of it." It's a superior camera to the 10D in just about every conceivable way. You can deny this till the cows come home, but that won't change the facts.

[theflyingkiwi]

You know I never said the 20d is a less superior camera to the 10d. The 20d is newer than the 10d, which means that the technology is better. It has a faster frame rate, bigger senor, and more focus points, less noise at higher iso.

But in my option it’s still not the upgrade that will make me sell my 10d with battery grip and 4 batteries. At this stage of the game all I would like is a bigger buffer, but that is allot of money just to get that. It's a shame I can’t have a memory upgrade for the camera :)

[Croasdail]

Don't do it.... with a new camera on the horizon... I wish I would have waited. All the improvements in the 20D amount to the difference of adding cruise control and automatic aircondition to your car... its still the same for except for a few refinments. And there are times in sports shooting I find the way the old sensors are laid out on the 10d more usable then the 20D - things move across the frame - not in some diamond shape. Plus I was up in NYC doing some candid shooting - and I wish I had my 10D that can be descrete when it fires vs. the ruckus the 20 D makes. So yes the 20D is better, just as a newer car is better. But it will not get you to work any faster. Its up to the driver to make it behave better. And there are some great people driving 10D's out there, and some very average ones driving 20Ds - not aimed at any one in particular - just for illustrative purposes. Wait for the next generation... hopefully it will add some things that really are usefull like spot metering and eye focus.

[FredP]

Don't do it.... with a new camera on the horizon... I wish I would have waited. All the improvements in the 20D amount to the difference of adding cruise control and automatic aircondition to your car... its still the same for except for a few refinments. And there are times in sports shooting I find the way the old sensors are laid out on the 10d more usable then the 20D - things move across the frame - not in some diamond shape. Plus I was up in NYC doing some candid shooting - and I wish I had my 10D that can be descrete when it fires vs. the ruckus the 20 D makes. So yes the 20D is better, just as a newer car is better. But it will not get you to work any faster. Its up to the driver to make it behave better. And there are some great people driving 10D's out there, and some very average ones driving 20Ds - not aimed at any one in particular - just for illustrative purposes. Wait for the next generation... hopefully it will add some things that really are usefull like spot metering and eye focus.


I love that advise. Thanks. Im going to go spend some money on lenses and lighting equiptment instead!
Fred

[farrukh]

haha i would do as this...

sell 10D > buy a 350d and a S2IS.

350d for primary use and S2IS as high end compact 12x zoom camera for traveling and basic use.

so 2 cameras in 1 20d price. :) and there is not any major diffrence between 350d and 20d.

[MarkH]

You neglected to include higher ISO settings and a bigger buffer.

It has a higher ISO setting than 3200?

I have a 10D and wouldn't mind upgrading to a 20D, but I agree with others that say that it is not that big an upgrade.

BUT:
If 5fps instead of 3fps would make a big difference to your photography then upgrading to the 20D could be well worth it. Coupled with the bigger buffer and faster write speeds the 20D is a clear winner for fast shooting, hard to beat without spending more for a 1DMkII.

To me the res improvement to 8MPix is not that much more than 6MPix and for most purposes is not that big a deal.

The other improvements are really not that vital for taking good photos.