5D3?

[G..]

OK two questions:-

1. What changes/features would you like to see on the new 5D3?

2. When will it be due?:twisted:

[G..]

Ok, suppose I had better say i would like to see:-


Better focus
Smaller file size 12 or 15 mb is adequate
7 or even 9 step AEB
Faster x synch

[ccp900]

ill be happy if they move the 7d autofocus system into the 5d and the weather sealing.

bonus if they can implement canon cls but using IR signals rather than preflash.....

[Combatmedic870]

ill be happy if they move the 7d autofocus system into the 5d and the weather sealing.

bonus if they can implement canon cls but using IR signals rather than preflash.....

If they were to do something like that(The AF and weather sealing) then they would sell 1/2 the amount of 1Ds's then they would if they didnt. It just wouldnt benifit them if they were to put that good of an AF system on it. I would say that they expect it to be used as a studio camera that doesnt need a super fast AF. I could see them point more AF points into it but not much fast AF.

The IR Signals sound good though.

With MP's they are going to keep pushing the limits of the CMOS and go for 32 most likely, If they were to stay at 21MP and make the ISO even more usable that would be pretty awesome. I dont see them going lower though. Its just not really what they do, they havent even backed off of the 1.6 cameras MP yet(though it should be happening soon, maybe next 3-4 years)

I think the full frames should be showing there faces this year, along with a new Digic 5 processor.

[don_lee103]

All features of 7D + FF body :)

[smythie]

Re: weather sealing

From all of my reading the 7D has a similar level of weather sealing to the 5D Mark II (The same as the EOS-1N).

[Jark89]

All features of 7D + FF body :)

I'd be good with this too. :)

[Lone Rider]

Re: weather sealing

From all of my reading the 7D has a similar level of weather sealing to the 5D Mark II (The same as the EOS-1N).

I agree smythie....thats what the rep at Photo continental told me today..."both have weather sealing" (please correct me if I'm wrong)

[NinetyEight]

A D700?

[Mastamarek]

A D700?
but with 32mpx from 1Ds4. none of this crappy 12mpx nikon sensors ^^

[gte357s]

As some other said, I would be happy to get a 7D with a FF sensor, and a street price around $2500. If Canon is so stupid keep increasing the resolution, I will switch to Nikon. :evil:

[DetlevCM]

OK two questions:-

1. What changes/features would you like to see on the new 5D3?

2. When will it be due?:twisted:

Ok, suppose I had better say i would like to see:-


Better focus
Smaller file size 12 or 15 mb is adequate
7 or even 9 step AEB
Faster x synch

Nobody knows when it's due - heck, it might be this year at Photokina, it might be next year.

Your smaller file size - go back into your room and have a think will you?
There is NO WAY that files can be smaller - if you want smaller files shoot sRAW.

[MMX]

Both these questions have been discussed over and over and over on 16 or 17 previous threads, do you really think you are going to find out something new?
BTW smaller file size = stronger compression = lower quality = I don´t want it. Yesterday I tried a Hasselblad H1 with a 22MP digital back and it produced 200MB files - that´s about 10× bigger than RAWs from the current 5D Mk. II with the same resolution.

All features of 7D + FF body :)

All features of 7D + FF body = 1Ds

[FlyingPhotog]

All features of 7D + FF body :)

It's called a 1DsMkIV...

[Jahled]

Your smaller file size - go back into your room and have a think will you?

:lol::lol::lol:

[bigpow]

ISO10-ISO50

[Tom W]

It's called a 1DsMkIV...

Which doesn't exist yet (at least not publically) either...
:)

[FlyingPhotog]

Which doesn't exist yet (at least not publically) either...
:)

I'll bet you a dollar we see a 1DsMkIV before we see a 5DMkIII ;)

[Viva-photography]

Ok, suppose I had better say i would like to see:-

* Better focus
* Smaller file size 12 or 15 mb is adequate
* 7 or even 9 step AEB
* Faster x synch


THIS! Plus maybe a hat that says "I'm a Pro!" ;)

[Tom W]

I'll bet you a dollar we see a 1DsMkIV before we see a 5DMkIII ;)

I'll refrain from taking that bet. But I will bet that the 1Ds4 will not have the 7D's AF system. :)

[FlyingPhotog]

I'll refrain from taking that bet. But I will bet that the 1Ds4 will not have the 7D's AF system. :)

No... It will have the 1DMkIVs focusing system...

[Stone 13]

OK two questions:-

1. What changes/features would you like to see on the new 5D3?

2. When will it be due?:twisted:


Since Canon won't give us a 3D


7D af
8 fps
better than 7D weather sealing
at least 1 stop high ISO improvement
wireless flash controller~3K

[jdizzle]

I'll refrain from taking that bet. But I will bet that the 1Ds4 will not have the 7D's AF system. :)

No... It will have the 1DMkIVs focusing system...
Good cop vs. bad cop? :)

[Patrick-70]

I think Canon is going to improve the video section. I doubt we will see a 7D FF.

[nekrosoft13]

Ok, suppose I had better say i would like to see:-


Better focus
Smaller file size 12 or 15 mb is adequate
7 or even 9 step AEB
Faster x synch

then change it to small size, only way to make it smaller, is for canon to lower resolution or the user to shoot in smaller size.

[HappySnapper90]

Since Canon won't give us a 3D

7D af~3K
But the 7D AF point coverage is the same area as the 50D and 5D AF point coverage area so you'd still have a glob of AF points in the middle of the viewfinder in a FF camera. The AF points of a FF model need to be spread out wider and taller - like the 1-series AF point coverage oval.

[BubblerPhoto]

How about RAW video to compete with RED? I'd like that.

[hsmoscout]

I'll bet you a dollar we see a 1DsMkIV before we see a 5DMkIII ;)

Yup.

[FlyingPhotog]

How about RAW video to compete with RED? I'd like that.

Got a handy way to increase bandwidth by a factor of about a gazillion?

[BubblerPhoto]

Got a handy way to increase bandwidth by a factor of about a gazillion?

USB 3.0 port or eSATA on 5d3>SSD/HDD/CPU.

[FlyingPhotog]

USB 3.0 port or eSATA on 5d3>SSD/HDD/CPU.

At 30-120 FPS? Hmmm......

[kuwazome]

Would not even be surprised if they do not improve
the AF, that's just how Canon likes to burn their customers.

I think these are more believable specs:

1Ds4 sensor
1Ds4 ISO performance
7D AF, possibly chopped down
7D video performance
No weather sealing
100% viewfinder
4ish fps

[FlyingPhotog]

It simply amazes me that people who profess to "study" Canon's evolution and claim to have an understanding simply continue to refuse to accept the Marketing/Sales plan that goes with it.

Rebel ---> XXD ----> Split To Two Paths
Path A: 7D ---> 1DMkIII/IV
Path B: 5DMkII ---> 1DsMkIII/IV

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm simply saying that this is how Canon views the photography world. By the time you reach the need for a "Prosumer" body, Canon believes you will have developed a style that calls for the unique characteristics inherent in each path. You will have a need for speed or a need for fidelity. And once you reach the 1-series, Canon believes it's a lead pipe cinch that you require one or the other. If you actually need both (and some do), you'll understand why you need one from Path A and one from Path B.

Personally, I'm good with this because honestly, I don't want a "Jack Of All Trades / Master Of None" body.

[Ferrari_Alex]

anything that can improve the IQ

[MMX]

anything that can improve the IQ

IQ is mostly determined by the lens quality, the only thing that camera can influence is the dynamic range.

[wildcart]

I hope to see a demo model @ Photokina of this baby :P

[kcbrown]

It simply amazes me that people who profess to "study" Canon's evolution and claim to have an understanding simply continue to refuse to accept the Marketing/Sales plan that goes with it.

Rebel ---> XXD ----> Split To Two Paths
Path A: 7D ---> 1DMkIII/IV
Path B: 5DMkII ---> 1DsMkIII/IV

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm simply saying that this is how Canon views the photography world. By the time you reach the need for a "Prosumer" body, Canon believes you will have developed a style that calls for the unique characteristics inherent in each path. You will have a need for speed or a need for fidelity. And once you reach the 1-series, Canon believes it's a lead pipe cinch that you require one or the other. If you actually need both (and some do), you'll understand why you need one from Path A and one from Path B.

Personally, I'm good with this because honestly, I don't want a "Jack Of All Trades / Master Of None" body.

Umm....how exactly does not putting a grid-style, high-quality autofocus system into the 5D line somehow make it better than it would be without that?

You can have fidelity with speed. The technology is there to make it possible. The D700 body with an 18 megapixel sensor would get you that, for instance. The only reason Nikon didn't put an ultra-high-resolution sensor into the D700 is that it didn't have the technology at the time to pull it off. But Canon has the technology to do 8 full frames per second (their film bodies prove that they can build a mirror assembly that can handle that speed) at 18 megapixels and to mate that with a professional autofocus system and to put it in a 5D style body. Canon can do it. Canon doesn't want to do it.

And it has nothing to do with "jack of all trades, master of none". It has to do with product segregation and the attempt to entice people to either buy multiple bodies when one would do (if it had the right characteristics) or to spend twice that and move into the professional (1D/1Ds) line. And their marketing approach apparently works, as evidenced by your own words.

We've become so beaten into submission by Canon's approach that it doesn't occur to us that there's another, better way (for us). I think Nikon is showing us that way. With luck, they'll force Canon's hand in the full-frame "semi-pro" (for lack of a better term) market, just as they did in the crop-format "semi pro" market (the 7D really is an awesome piece of gear).

Because otherwise, all we'll get is more of the same. And I, for one, refuse to accept a mediocre autofocus system just to get excellent full-frame image quality. In that case, I'd rather stick with my "master of none" 7D that happens to be quite good at everything.

[aboss3]

^^^ Good point. Photography is a business, and there's obviously competition. Until Nikon clearly kicks their butt, we'll be stuck with choosing one body over another for 1-2 specific characteristics, while giving up others. Why can't they put 1D3's AF into the 5DII? Heck with it...even 1D2's? We're stuck with the same AF from the 10D series! Now look at Nikon! Awesome AF, great high ISO handling, but low mpx count. I've had the 7D, and loved it, but wanted to go FF and better high ISO capabilities. Now, I don't have the good AF. And that is still worth paying $1k premium, but.......

I'm sure Canon can make a 10-300mm f/1.2L IS lens, but why should they? They will be better off selling us 17-40 for $750, 24-70 for $1400, 70-200 for $2400....and so on. Same goes for the bodies.
It's all about: here's what we have, now you pick one and live with it :lol:

[kcbrown]

I'm sure Canon can make a 10-300mm f/1.2L IS lens, but why should they? They will be better off selling us 17-40 for $750, 24-70 for $1400, 70-200 for $2400....and so on. Same goes for the bodies.


Well, no. That's not the same thing at all, actually.

Lenses are constrained by the laws of physics. A 10-300 f/1.2L lens would have an aperture opening 10 inches in diameter! The lens would be freaking huge.

The laws of physics constrain what they can do with lenses.

It also constrains them in terms of what they can do in terms of high ISO performance. Each improvement is the result of a big pile of research on their part (and/or the part of others). When they change the color filters for greater efficiency, for example, it's the result of having experimented with different substances to find something with greater light transmission efficiency while maintaining the same color filtering characteristics.


But the autofocus system is something else. We know they can put an EOS 3 autofocus system into a 5D series camera because Nikon has already done the equivalent with the D700. We know the autofocus system will fit a body roughly the size of the EOS 3 because the EOS 3 has that autofocus sensor.

The only downside to Canon if they were to put such a system into the 5D line is that it really would relegate the 1Ds line to working professionals, because they're almost certainly the only people who would want things like the redundant storage capability. And that is why they don't do it ... because they try very hard to avoid creating something that will give their professional line any real competition.

[KayakPhotos]

A D700?

Yeah, that pretty much does it for me.

[tkbslc]

IQ is mostly determined by the lens quality, the only thing that camera can influence is the dynamic range.

You don't think things like autofocus speed and accuracy, metering, or noise control have anything to do with IQ?

[aboss3]

You don't think things like autofocus speed and accuracy, metering, or noise control have anything to do with IQ?

+1 on this one. It's not only the lens, but the image sensor, and how the camera processes all the calculations. If I had a AF system from my 7D, I would definitely have a higher amount of keepers on 5D. Now, if I had a better noise control on 7D, I would've probably kept it :lol:

And speaking of AF, Canon 7D has a 19pt system. Why not use the same thing in a 5D2, when it was developed a long time ago? I'm not talking about a 43-pt sensor, but a 19pt AF from prosumer camera

[bkdc]

My list of wants in Mark III

1) Built in small flash - sometimes a small flash for fill is better than no flash when you forgot to pack your gear. Although will help as a master flash for OCF.
2) Better Autofocus
3) Built in geotagging
4) Flash control (like in the 7D), even though I usually will use my Pocketwizard
5) Better Mirror-lock-up control rather than Liveview for proxy
6) High ISO programmable limit

Everything else is just great! But I hope Nikon comes out with something stellar because competition is good for everyone.

[jdang307]

My list of wants in Mark III

1) Built in small flash - sometimes a small flash for fill is better than no flash when you forgot to pack your gear. Although will help as a master flash for OCF.
2) Better Autofocus
3) Built in geotagging
4) Flash control (like in the 7D), even though I usually will use my Pocketwizard
5) Better Mirror-lock-up control rather than Liveview for proxy
6) High ISO programmable limit

Everything else is just great! But I hope Nikon comes out with something stellar because competition is good for everyone.I was wondering if there was another way for MLU except Live View. I guess not.

If we could have gotten the 50d AF system it would have been better.

[Thejaggy]

I'd like to see:

- Fast and accurate focus, like the 7D
- Higher ISO performance
- Faster frame rate (6 or 8 fps)
- Built-in Wifi (N)