I'm being a pedant here. It's spelt LENS not LENSE.

[Nikolas]

So many times I see lense spelt here instead of lens and not corrected, it literally erks me~!
:evil:

[tommykjensen]

You should remember that it is far from everybody in the forums that has english as native language so perhaps You should be more forgiving.

[internationalmanofmystery]

Det siger du ikke!

Think of it as a free english lesson ;)

[tommykjensen]

Det siger du ikke! ;)

Haha, Nikolas skulle bare vide hvilke diskusioner der foregår i danske grupper om hvorvidt en "lens" hedder objektiv eller linse på dansk :lol: :lol: Linser køber man hos bageren ;)

[kram]

I guess it comes from people making it singular from lenses!!

Supposedly quite a common misspelt word......

[tommykjensen]

Think of it as a free english lesson ;)

Yeah but if we had to correct all spelling mistakes all the time then the forum would soon be a spelling forum instead of a photography forum.

[neil_r]

This is why we have mods, CDS is in responsible for all spelling related queries.

C'mon CDS time for your take on this vexed question ;)

N

[DavidEB]

Miriam-Webster and dictionary.com both give "lense" as an acceptable variant. I'm sure Dan Quayle puts one on his camerae.

[Belmondo]

Then, too, is the separate issue of people who don't capitalize the word english

It's English, folks. :lol:

Also, for some English-speaking people, spelt is misspelled.

What really matters is that people are able to understand what's being said. Honestly, I marvel that there are so many members for whom English is not their native tongue, who communicate so effectively. I can think of only a handful of times when I was absolutely unable to decipher what was being said.

The closest I can come to speaking another language is when ordering at Taco Bell. Can you say, "refried beans?"

[pcasciola]

lense is an acceptable spelling as well, according to Merriam-Webster:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=lens

[Tom W]

How about if we just call it "glass"?

:D

[CorruptedPhotographer]

if everyones going to be speakin thier thier mother tongue...


تعـرفـــون انا اى لغه اتــكــلم ؟ لوووول

[Jackal]

You're wrong. Both versions are correct.

I use lense for some reason.

[Spirit]

Yeah but if we had to correct all spelling mistakes all the time then the forum would soon be a spelling forum instead of a photography forum.

I guess this is why no one has commented on the typo in the original post (and thread title) of this thread.

How about grammar mistakes then? Spelt and spelled are two completely different words. lol

Edit: Jackel is also correct. "Lense" is a varient of "Lens".

[Penance]

It's English, folks. :lol:

Also, for some English-speaking people, spelt is misspelled.



/pedant mode

We speak English, you my friend speak American ;)

[schmoelzel]

So many times I see lense spelt here instead of lens and not corrected, it literally erks me~!
:evil:

Don't know what erks is........I gather that you mean irks; and spelt.....well we won't mention that either!! ;)

[Belmondo]

/pedant mode

We speak English, you my friend speak American ;)

Forgive me. I was rash.

Besides, some will argue that I speak neither language particularly well.

[Tom W]

Ain't nobody here able to speak southern? :)

BTW, next week, we'll be discussing the variants of "irregardless".
And, possibly, the difference between "lose" and "loose". :)

[Steve Parr]

So many times I see lense spelt here instead of lens and not corrected, it literally erks me~!
:evil:

I'm the same way with word spellings like "erk" (instead of "irk") and "spelt" (instead of "spelled")...

Steve

[SkipD]

I wonder what the REAL English version of lens is.... Can you folks in the UK fill in the blank for me?

I have no problem with the use of words like "lense" or "spelt" IF they are the generally accepted way for the language (or version thereof) being used. There is sometimes a significant difference, in my opinion, between English (as in the UK) and Americanese English (which is my native language). Other English-speaking locales also have their versions of English. Look at the differences in various regions of the US alone. Even though I'm a Yankee now, based on where I live, I grew up in the deep South of the US and understand the language down there too. On the other hand, my wife - a native Wisconsinite - can't understand half of what she hears out in the country down south.

That said, I can't find any reference in the dictionary to "lense" being the preferred variation of the word anywhere in the English-speaking world.

[BearLeeAlive]

Miriam-Webster and dictionary.com both give "lense" as an acceptable variant. I'm sure Dan Quayle puts one on his camerae.

Always learning something, I too thought it was only spelt 'lens'.

Now, if we could get everyone to stop using 'loose' instead of 'lose' I might not go crazy quite as fast. i.e. I am losing (not loosing) my mind.....lol

[SkipD]

Check this out.....

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed Typoglycemia :)-

Amzanig huh? Yaeh and yuo awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.

However, that doesn't let me really and comfortably forgive the horrible spellers and users of wrong words. :rolleyes:

[Orogeny]

Forgive me. I was rash.

Besides, some will argue that I speak neither language particularly well.
Yeah, well, I'm in Texas, which means I talk right no matter what you say!

Tim

[Tom W]

Check this out.....

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed Typoglycemia :)-

Amzanig huh? Yaeh and yuo awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.

However, that doesn't let me really and comfortably forgive the horrible spellers and users of wrong words. :rolleyes:

You speak "CDSese" fluently! :D

[Tom W]

Also, it wasn't easy to read - I had to decipher each word, slowly. I think that the theory of "reading each word as a whole" was written by someone that wasn't able to spell.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Check this out.....

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Such a cdonition is arppoiately cllaed Typoglycemia :)-

Amzanig huh? Yaeh and yuo awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt.

However, that doesn't let me really and comfortably forgive the horrible spellers and users of wrong words. :rolleyes:


I don't see any spelling errors here.. so what's the point?



:rolleyes:

[weasel]

Australia, The United States, England all great countries seperated by a common language.

[Bruce Watson]

So many times I see lense spelt here instead of lens and not corrected, it literally erks me~!
:evil:

Then let me have the honour of spelling colour properly in this post and see how many corrections it draws.

:lol:

[Steve Parr]

If I go to a lay, I go to the theatre.

People blast me for that...

Steve

[ddelallata]

Spell lense or lens however you want. I don't care either way.

Huk'd on foniks wurkd fur mi . :)

[Penance]

Oford English Dictionary Tenth edition (revised)-

lens

Derivitives -

Lensed (adj)
Lensless (adj)

Origin from Lentil, because of the similarity in shape.

[Tom W]

Oford English Dictionary Tenth edition (revised)-

lens

Derivitives -

Lensed (adj)
Lensless (adj)

Origin from Lentil, because of the similarity in shape.

I believe that "lensless" is a word that we can all hate. ;)

[MadMesh]

who cares

[MDJAK]

While proper use of the English language is part of my profession, I'm quite willing to forgive every mistake here. I don't care how you spell lens, as long as I have the lenses I need and want. And right now, I don't have the 300 f2.8 or anything longer than that either and I WANT one.

[pfogle]

Shakespeare spelt his name at least three different ways... spelling is a creative activity, just like photography imho - from which we can all learn by reading what others say.

[pfogle]

I believe that "lensless" is a word that we can all hate. ;)
- often spelt 'legless' ;)

[blackviolet]

L

[Nikolas]

Glad to see my post stirred it up a bit
:-)
I see some of you did pick up my deliberate mis-spelling of irks and incorrect usage of spelt.
(we do use "spelt" in Australia)


(don't mention the cricket):cry:

[RockOne]

I use lens, not necessarily because it's more correct than lense, but mainly because it's one less letter to type :-) !

[BoySpot]

No-one going to pick up on seperate instead of separate? The pedants must be sleeping! (Well, obviously one isn't.) A copy of "Eats Shoots and Leaves" to the person who starts taking on the punctuation!

[rklepper]

I was raised in a British household (I am originally Welsh) and when I first attended American school I was always in trouble for spelling theatre, colour, litre, etc... I was told this was not the English spelling.

[johnnybfan]

I was raised in a British household (I am originally Welsh) and when I first attended American school I was always in trouble for spelling theatre, colour, litre, etc... I was told this was not the English spelling.
Seems to me that I remember a U.S. Vice-President castigated for spelling potato with an e on the end (potatoe). The press thought that he was stupid but he did have the old english form of the word correct.:)

[martook]

That was a problem for me as well... when I was in school we learned ENGLISH, not american english - so if you wrote color intstead of colour, the teachers gave you no points. Great...
Still get confused by that sometimes, can't say for sure how something is spelled and then I realise that both ways are correct... but in different countries. Bah!

[rklepper]

I teach chemistry and still find myself falling into the English ways. Sometimes I even pronounce the words in English. Students think it is a hoot.

[CyberDyneSystems]

"theater" is just so wrong in so many ways......

[jokar]

The Macquarie Dictionary (which identifies itself proudly as "Australia's National Dictionary" - and a worthy tome it is too) makes no mention of the "lense" alternative spelling.

Perhaps it is an 'Americanisation' (or even an 'Americanization'?)

[CyberDyneSystems]

.. no definitely not an American spelling... this time :)

[BearSummer]

Hi Folks,

here is a link to the Cambride 'English' dictionary for lens

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=lens

there is also a link on the page to 'American English', neither of which show "lense" as acceptable. I would tend to agree with the earlier poster regarding people thinking lense is the singular of lenses. So long as their English is better than my "insert their language here" then I'm not going to complain, however I will spell it lens in my reply and hope that they get the hint.

All the best

BearSummer

[AjP]

English is my 3rd language and honestly I don't care how people spell any word, we are here to talk about photography and as long as I understand what they mean, absolutely fine with me.

Let talk about PHOTOGRAPHY!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Timm]

How about the Scrabble philosophy?
LENSE & COLOUR are worth more points than LENS & COLOR.... ;-)

[Belmondo]

It could be argued that people who use the work lense


are



dense.

(kidding, of course)

[dewmuw]

You say potato, I say potato.
You say tomato, I say tomato.

Doh! That doesn't work when it is written down! :D

[neil_r]

Just so I understand, we are talking about that really expensive cylinder with glass bits in it that goes over the hole in the front of the camera, if we are not, I am really in trouble :rolleyes:.

N

[Hellashot]

You're wrong. Both versions are correct.

Yes, I agree.

[Barb42]

Both versions are correct. Language is fluid. Spelling and grammar are always changing for the better or the worse. There are a number of books in print on that subject and the study is quite interesting.

I use lense most of the time. Does it really matter since both are listed in the dictionary?

[glenhead]

Here's a challenge - find "aperature" in any dictionary (from another friendly pedant).

Punctuation? Don't get me started - the forum doesn't have the server space. The offer of a copy of "Eats, Shoots, and Leaves" was nice - it'd be good to have two copies.

the stream of consciousness posts that appear in this and other forums without the benefit of any capitalization or punctuation especially those where there are myriad spelling grammar and syntactical errors make it a bit of a challenge to those of us who claim english as a first language how about those unfortunate souls whose english is like my spanish shaky who have to try to extract some sense from it

I just say "ouch" and skip to the next post, thanks.

Pedantry mode off (for now).:)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Here's a challenge - find "aperature" in any dictionary (from another friendly pedant).


I think I type that one wrong every time..
Also any word with the letters "E" and "M" in them I allways seme to manage to mistype the order somewhere along the way...


see???

[RockOne]

CDS. Do you always type allways as allways or as always ?. :-) :-). BTW I also type wrong wrong too :-).

[chemicalbro]

the oxford and cambridge dictionaries have no listing for lense..........
they both have several for lens ...
wether that means that lense is not a valid spelling is not for me to say :)

so long as we know whats being said.... who gives a damn

[Penance]

Both versions are correct.

Sorry but that is plainly incorrect.
If both the Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries do not have it listed as 'Lense', then it is not an English word.

Edit to add - I agree with others though, it doesn't really matter as we all know what is meant :)

[Inspired Photography]

Pohtayto patarda...? :o

I used to work in advertising over here in Oz, and we used to have customers trying to disagree one similar things like this...

Flyer vs Flier...
Disc vs Disk...

There are so many versions of English spelling around that different spelling has little difference in the real world to accents in speech...

I used to write ads that were published in both USA, Canada, and UK.
We would change the spelling of Catalogue to Catalog for USA/Canada, and back to Catalogue for the UK. At the end of the day it is exactly the same thing, but we just tried to keep everyone happy.

Rob

[lmelendez]

How about if we just call it "glass"?

:D

:D :D :D

[glenhead]

How about if we just call it "glass"?

:D

Or "dimensionally stable laminated silicate/polycarbonate lenticular apparatus with adjustable proximity", aka "DSPSPLAWAP" (pronounced "dispisplawap", of course) for short?:rolleyes:

[Jon]

. . . amorphous . . . don't forget amorphous. Of course then we need to consider what to say about the ones with fluorite elements.

[rklepper]

Isn't it amazing how a misspelled post about spelling could lead to all of this?

[martook]

Isn't it amazing how a misspelled post about spelling could lead to all of this?

Yeah, Internet is great, isn't it!? It's like a huge library, except that it's full of crap. :P

[Sicily1918]

The Oxford dictionary has this entry for lense:

verb
a. trans. To make lean; to macerate. b. intr. To become lean.

All others (Webster's, et al) have lens=lense, but it probably stems from the fact that many people use it (teh latter) and the dictionary has adapted to common usage, even if incorrect.

[Croasdail]

Not to completely be off track here but I have never heard the term to be "a pendant" - so I looked it up.... websters says

pen·dent1 also pen·dant http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dpendant) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (phttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifnhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifnt)
adj.
Hanging down; dangling; suspended.
Projecting; overhanging.
Awaiting settlement; pending.
Cool thing is it has two spellings too.... So I am not really sure which one you in a state of being? I can see ways to use these diffinitions to descibe myself.. but would hate to use it improperly and give someone a false impression. Interesting diversion from what I am supposed to be doing....

[CyberDyneSystems]

Not to completely be off track here but I have never heard the term to be "a pendant" - so I looked it up.... websters says

pen·dent1 also pen·dant http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dpendant) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (phttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifnhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gifnt)
adj.
Hanging down; dangling; suspended.
Projecting; overhanging.
Awaiting settlement; pending.
Cool thing is it has two spellings too.... So I am not really sure which one you in a state of being? I can see ways to use these diffinitions to descibe myself.. but would hate to use it improperly and give someone a false impression. Interesting diversion from what I am supposed to be doing....

pedant...

no "N" after the after the "pe"

as in "pedantic"

[Croasdail]

ahhhhh! :confused:

ped·ant http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3 Fq%3Dpedant) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (phttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ebreve.gifdhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifnt)
n.
One who pays undue attention to book learning and formal rules.
One who exhibits one's learning or scholarship ostentatiously.
Obsolete. A schoolmaster.
Much better. Nope - not a chance I would ever use that word to describe myself... no problem then.

[dharris]

Is this photogaraphy or english class? I came here to learn about photography, not spelling.

[martook]

Is this photogaraphy or english class? I came here to learn about photography, not spelling.

Well, you're reading the wrong thread then, aint ya? There's about a billion other threads here that discuss photography, read one of those instead. It's not like the title of this one could make you believe it's about cameras ;)

[drisley]

For some reason, spelling lens as "lense" really bugs me too.
Since the correct spelling in the VAST majority of dictionaries spell it "lens", I have no idea why 50% of the people here add that extra "E". It sure isn't because they were taught that spelling in school.
Oh, and "colour" is the correct spelling in the majority of the world. I think only US uses "color".

[rklepper]

Nothing really bugs me. But I love to watch others being bugged by such little, insignificant things. It is really great fun.

[neil_r]

spelling in the VAST majority of dictionaries

That has always bugged me too, what do people mean when they say vast majority.
Is it dependant on the total number or simply on the percentage that supports the argument?


2 out of 3 is a majority but could it be called vast?

1,000.001 out of 2,000.000 is a majority and indeed the number is vast, but is it a “vast majority?”

Now where did I put my camera…..?

N

[Nikolas]

:shock:
My God, I've created a monster!

[rklepper]

:shock:
My God, I've created a monster!

Yes, but everyone is having such great fun with it.

[dewmuw]

That has always bugged me too, what do people mean when they say vast majority.
Is it dependant on the total number or simply on the percentage that supports the argument?


2 out of 3 is a majority but could it be called vast?

1,000.001 out of 2,000.000 is a majority and indeed the number is vast, but is it a “vast majority?”

Now where did I put my camera…..?

N

Cool, this is turning into a BBC Radio 4 style discussion! :)

My particular favourite is when people refer to something as being "almost unique".

[SkipD]

My particular favourite is when people refer to something as being "almost unique".I think I just figured out why we 'Mericans don't use a "u" in favorite or color. We're lazy. It's one letter that we don't have to write or type. ;)

[Penance]

I think I just figured out why we 'Mericans don't use a "u" in favorite or color. We're lazy. It's one letter that we don't have to write or type. ;)


LoL, thats what us English thought.

[CyberDyneSystems]

:shock:
My God, I've created a monster!


The monster did not need creating.. you have merely awakened it :lol:

[dewmuw]

OK so where do you stand on the "Is 'Y' a vowel?" debate? :D

[Jon, The Elder]

Did he spell Nickolas correctly ?

[DwightMcCann]

Aha, I've found the thread for the OCD folks!

[Nikolas]

Did he spell Nickolas correctly ?

Nikolas is the correct spelling of my name coming from the Greek Nikolaos.
no c in the Greek language.

[RockOne]

Nikolas looks correct to me too. At least he didn't spell it Knickerless (with apologies to Monty Python) :-) :-) :-).

"Is 'Y' a vowel?" debate?
It probably could be in Wales :-)

[elhalman]

if everyones going to be speakin thier thier mother tongue...


تعـرفـــون انا اى لغه اتــكــلم ؟ لوووول




:) السيف أصدق أنباء من الكتب ....في حده الحد بين الجد واللعب

[karusel]

It doesn't matter how you spell it, what matters is if ye olde lense is an L or not. :D

[Redbird_xo]

How about we try to use drawings to communicate? Then no need to think about spellings and writing mechanics. ;)


多 一 事 ， 不 如 小 一 便 。

[RAitch]

But what if you make your line slightly longer than one of mine?
And what if I don't like the composition in one of your drawings?

Then we'd be in REAL trouble!!

People saying "anyways" or "alot" drives me nuts too... but we all make mistakes at some point. Some people probably hate how I use "..." all the time... but... that's not... my concern!! ;)

[Jon]

If people don't like ellipses, well, tough . . .

[DwightMcCann]

Oh ... me, too ... couldn't say anything without all those little dots ... eh?

[CyberDyneSystems]

Dot's? .....


....you don't know nothing 'bout no dot's.....

[CyberPet]

This reminds me of this story:


How many forum members does it takes to change a light bulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed
14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs
1 to move it to the Lighting section
2 to argue then move it to the Electricals section
7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs
5 to flame the spell checkers
3 to correct spelling/grammar flames
6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct
19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum
11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum
36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs
4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's
3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group
13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"
5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"
13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"
1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

[Jon]

2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"
I was all ready to ask why you didn't refer to it that way. I'm glad to see someone knows that the "bulb" is only the glass part of the assembly.

[drisley]

Cyberpet! You read my mind! I was going to post almost the exact same thing! Weird.

[buze]

Could we just settle calmly on say, "lance" instead ? Hmmm ?

Faut avoir une notion légèrement differente de phonétique du mot en question, et probablement mon accent pour trouver ça marrant, mais bon hein. Les rosbeef qui se battent contre le Bushistan sur le pourquoi du comment d'un mot a la con, faut le faire ! J'aurai préféré qu'ils discutent un peu plus avant de partir en guerre, a la place :D