Vacation to NYC: What to do? What to take for camera equipment?! What a city!!

[mathogre]

We're about to go to NYC for our summer vacation. It was a location chosen in part by time constraints, but also in part because it's such a great place! How does one plan such a trip? These types of posts come up so frequently that it sometimes makes me wonder how folks actually choose and plan their vacations. Here's what we did.

The Whiteboard

The whiteboard is where we began our planning. Each of us, wife, daughter, and me, wrote what we wanted to do for a vacation. We were literally all over the world with the items we wrote. In the end, New York City won. While we had a few places chosen already, the next step was to actually decide what we wanted to do and what we wanted to see in the city, hence the entries shown below.

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The List

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In this case, The List was a collection of mind maps using the free software tool, Freemind. Using Freemind, I took all of the things we wanted to do and scheduled them. That's not enough however. While this is primarily a vacation, secondarily it is a huge photo opportunity. With a little help from websites and a fantastic book, "Photographing New York City: Digital Field Guide", I was able to get a good understanding of what I would want to bring to the city in terms of camera equipment.

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Test Shots

Good as all of that information may be, it wasn't enough. For instance, I debated two different primes for Saint Patrick's Cathedral, where tripods are prohibited. I have both a 28mm f/1.8 and 50mm f/1.4, figuring the 50 would be better for low light. I decided to have a bit of a test run at the Washington National Cathedral. How wrong I was on lens choice. The 28 was superior for what I want to be able to do. While I love my 50, it will actually stay at home this time.

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But then, NYC isn't just about being inside. It's about being outside and seeing TALL buildings. In the DC/VA area, the best place to see relatively tall buildings is Rosslyn, VA. This was a test run for Times Square with my little G9. We're going to visit the King Tut exhibit on the same day as Times Square, and cameras are not allowed in the actual exhibit. They will check bags, so I figure my G9 that day is relatively expendable; I'm not checking my Rebel. At worst I'd need to go to B&H or Adorama to get a G11 replacement.

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Flash is a bit of an issue. I want to actually be prepared to use my 430EX beyond just popping it on the hot shoe and snapping. Last Sunday I spent a bit of time figuring how to make it do what I want. This was the balance I was able to achieve between a bright outside and a dark inside using flash.

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Start Spreading the News...

Soon we'll go to NY. It's been planned as well as dry run for photography a little bit, and it should be lots of fun! I've enjoyed planning the trip, and figure we'll have a great time. I can't wait!

[Strangely Brown]

Graham,

My wife and I will be heading out to NYC in a couple of weeks but this is subject to BAA not striking here in the UK so your post is of real help.

[mathogre]

Graham,

My wife and I will be heading out to NYC in a couple of weeks but this is subject to BAA not striking here in the UK so your post is of real help.

Glad it's helpful! Good luck wrt the possibility of a BAA strike. I Googled it. I don't envy you or others who use BAA airports in the UK who may be affected by this.

[kinghong1970]

wow... whiteboard AND flowchart?

/bow

master... lol...

maybe some other new yorkers can chime in but...

1) nyc pizza... west broadway near NYU area, Tre Giovanni's has a very good pizza... and you can walk over to soho on that day on your way down to ground zero... and even walk past chinatown...

2) meatpacking district's highline

3) top of the rock

4) Katz delicatessen for their world famous pastrami... omg... OMG!

[mathogre]

Lol, thank you!

Tre Giovanni's is now on the list. I found Totonno's originally so maybe I'll have a pizza taste-off. :D Top of the Rock is a definite. Meatpacking district wasn't on the list so now it's an option. Katz's is now on the list. Carnegie Deli was recommended by a co-worker.

[Strangely Brown]

Giovanni's is now also on my list but not my wifes as she is allergic to amongst others, cheese!

[kinghong1970]

there's actually a pizza tour of NYC... maybe then, you'll be able to find the real, original Ray's pizza... (http://www.scottspizzatours.com/)

[kinghong1970]

Giovanni's is now also on my list but not my wifes as she is allergic to amongst others, cheese!

then you should take her to Katz Deli on East Houston, more so if she likes "when harry met sally".... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katz%27s_Delicatessen)

[KARFA]

Hi Graham
My girlfriend and I are coming over to NYC this Sunday for a holiday. We are also off to Philly and DC as well. I love the flowchart - my girlfriend thought I was being over the top with my schedule I did in Word. She is slowly realising that at least some of the stuff on our trip is arranged around photo opportunities - like going over to Fulton Ferry State Park for the Brooklynbridge & Manhattan skyline.

I wish I had known earlier about the book you mentioned as I could have done with reading it before coming - probably too late now to get it and have a read.

My plan was to probably have the 17-40mm on my camera most of the time during the day, and then swap to my 50mm 1.4 at night or in low light. Based on your experience it looks like I could have done with investing in a 28mm 1.8 instead.

Like you, I am looking forward to NYC too for the experience and the chance to take some great photos.

[tun]

If you want pizza, DiFara's in Brooklyn is the only choice. Take the Q train to Avenue J and it's one block from the station.

[mathogre]

Well, we arrived yesterday. Here's a sample from the G9 earlier today. This was the day we visited the King Tut exhibit, so I couldn't have the Rebel with me. It comes out tonight. The King Tut exhibit was outstanding, btw. I'll post some photos in the photo sharing section later, but I couldn't resist this one.

I was in Times Square and was just taking general photos of the area. I passed this young woman on the street and we looked and smiled slightly at each other. A few minutes ago, while my wife and daughter were taking a rest, I started post processing the earlier photos and I realized I'd photographed her.

The photo is cropped to a landscape aspect ratio (originally portrait), brightened in general and brightened even more on her.

Enjoy!

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[coloneltigh]

NYC Pizza - Totonnos on Neptune Ave out by Coney Island. N, Q, F, D train out to Stillwell Ave.

[mathogre]

Thank you everyone!

there's actually a pizza tour of NYC... maybe then, you'll be able to find the real, original Ray's pizza... (http://www.scottspizzatours.com/)

We don't have time on this trip, much to my chagrin. There are simply too many things to do. However, we'll be returning. :D

Hi Graham
My girlfriend and I are coming over to NYC this Sunday for a holiday. We are also off to Philly and DC as well. I love the flowchart - my girlfriend thought I was being over the top with my schedule I did in Word. She is slowly realising that at least some of the stuff on our trip is arranged around photo opportunities - like going over to Fulton Ferry State Park for the Brooklynbridge & Manhattan skyline.

I wish I had known earlier about the book you mentioned as I could have done with reading it before coming - probably too late now to get it and have a read.

My plan was to probably have the 17-40mm on my camera most of the time during the day, and then swap to my 50mm 1.4 at night or in low light. Based on your experience it looks like I could have done with investing in a 28mm 1.8 instead.

Like you, I am looking forward to NYC too for the experience and the chance to take some great photos.

Hope you have fun on your trips! I'm sure you'll make the most of it with the 17-40 and the 50. I finally decided to bring the 50 on the trip, though tonight we're probably going to the Top of the Rock around sundown and I expect to bring the 18-55 and the 28. Will let you know how the 28 works.

A bit of planning I think really helps. While you can't plan everything (and wouldn't want to do so anyway), having a sense of what you're going to shoot and what you can do with the equipment you have is helpful, I think.

Btw, there's a similar book on DC.

If you want pizza, DiFara's in Brooklyn is the only choice. Take the Q train to Avenue J and it's one block from the station.

I'll keep it in mind for a future trip! It's been many years since I went to Brooklyn, but enjoyed it there the time I visited.

[mathogre]

NYC Pizza - Totonnos on Neptune Ave out by Coney Island. N, Q, F, D train out to Stillwell Ave.

Yesterday we did Totonno's in Manhattan. Excellent pie, loved the cheese.

[ignutzz]

You can have famous NYC pizza and a great skyline shot if you do the Fulton Ferry park mentioned earlier. Plus, you can explore the huge new green space they're building along that Brooklyn shoreline - it's gorgeous.

You should also visit the High Line (http://www.thehighline.org/) on the West side.

[Strangely Brown]

then you should take her to Katz Deli on East Houston, more so if she likes "when harry met sally".... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katz%27s_Delicatessen)

I don't think I know a woman who doesn't!

Now that BAA have decided not to strike our trip is back on - excellent!

Cheers KingHong

[vipergts831]

DID YOU FORGET B&H!!!! Make a visit to the mecca!

[nicksan]

Wow, I am impressed by your planning prowess.
Hope you are having a great time here in NYC.

You planning to check out the Brooklyn Bridge? What about Central Park?

Enjoy!

[nicksan]

DID YOU FORGET B&H!!!! Make a visit to the mecca!

Just mentioned MDJAK and they will give you a discount. Check that...I think they might kick you out of the store. :lol:

[mathogre]

Thanks again everyone!

You can have famous NYC pizza and a great skyline shot if you do the Fulton Ferry park mentioned earlier. Plus, you can explore the huge new green space they're building along that Brooklyn shoreline - it's gorgeous.

You should also visit the High Line (http://www.thehighline.org/) on the West side.

They're on the list for the next trip, certainly!

I don't think I know a woman who doesn't!

Now that BAA have decided not to strike our trip is back on - excellent!

Cheers KingHong

Congrats and have fun!!

DID YOU FORGET B&H!!!! Make a visit to the mecca!

No I didn't, nor did I forget Adorama. The likelyhood however is we won't have time for them, regardless of how much all of my camera equipment is crying to visit their first homes. :D

[mathogre]

Thanks nicksan!

Wow, I am impressed by your planning prowess.
Hope you are having a great time here in NYC.

You planning to check out the Brooklyn Bridge? What about Central Park?

Enjoy!

It's been fun so far. Brooklyn Bridge? No time. I'd love to go, but it's another trip. Central park? Absolutely. A good part of Saturday will be spent there.

Just mentioned MDJAK and they will give you a discount. Check that...I think they might kick you out of the store. :lol:

Lol!

[ignutzz]

Eh, the Adorama storefront is rather a let down compared to B&H. But I'll be there at 8am tomorrow. :lol: Gotta pick up a rental lens.

[vipergts831]

Thanks again everyone!



They're on the list for the next trip, certainly!



Congrats and have fun!!



No I didn't, nor did I forget Adorama. The likelyhood however is we won't have time for them, regardless of how much all of my camera equipment is crying to visit their first homes. :D

You knooooooow your visiting the empire state building. B&H is only 4 city blocks over. Just saying your less than a 5 minute walk away ;):lol:

[vipergts831]

Just mentioned MDJAK and they will give you a discount. Check that...I think they might kick you out of the store. :lol:

That would actually get you pepper sprayed and arrested :lol::lol:

[SuzyView]

No one mentioned Chinatown? I'd go to Mott or Canal St. and get some good Dim Sum. Worth the time and trouble. I lived in NYC growing up and I still love it there. If you want an afternoon of great views, the Circle Line is very nice. If I had the time, I'd definitely do the Metropolitan Museum of Art and see the view from the Empire State Building or the Rock. And I wouldn't miss a trip to Adorama or B&H. :) Just remember B&H is closed on Sat.

[SuzyView]

Oops. I almost forgot. I love the Stage or Carnegie Deli's. I always order the hot pastrami on rye with mustard, with fries and coleslaw. Costs around $15 with a drink, but worth it. It's enough for 2 people.

[mathogre]

Hi Suzy and Thanks!

No one mentioned Chinatown? I'd go to Mott or Canal St. and get some good Dim Sum. Worth the time and trouble. I lived in NYC growing up and I still love it there. If you want an afternoon of great views, the Circle Line is very nice. If I had the time, I'd definitely do the Metropolitan Museum of Art and see the view from the Empire State Building or the Rock. And I wouldn't miss a trip to Adorama or B&H. :) Just remember B&H is closed on Sat.

Chinatown is on the options if we have free time. My wife and I went to Chinatown in San Francisco years ago (pre-kiddo) and enjoyed it. The Met is Friday. The Rock was tonight, though my wife didn't go as she wasn't feeling well. (We will try the Rock later in the week so she can go too.) My daughter and I got some great shots. I'll post one in a separate thread in the Urban Life and Travel photo sharing forum. The Empire State Building is probably Friday or Saturday afternoon.

Originally Adorama and B&H were going to be on Friday. In addition to being closed on Saturday, they close early in the afternoon on Friday.

Oops. I almost forgot. I love the Stage or Carnegie Deli's. I always order the hot pastrami on rye with mustard, with fries and coleslaw. Costs around $15 with a drink, but worth it. It's enough for 2 people.

Someone at work recommended Carnegie. It's on the list. :D

[Maureen Souza]

I am bookmarking this thread so i hope it keeps going.

We have reservations at The Grand Union Hotel May 4-11, 2011 :)

[mathogre]

Thank you Maureen, and hope you have a fun visit here!

[mathogre]

Btw, here's the link to the photo from the Top of the Rock this evening. It was a great view tonight. I hate heights, but the experience was fantastic.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=918652

[SuzyView]

Thanks for the link. What was the widest lens you brought? I'm considering borrowing Jim's 15mm fisheye next time I go. I've never been to the rock, always wanting to do the WTC's because my husband used to work there, and we went to the ESB instead. The Rock is always crowded, so I avoid it when it gets that way. Now I am itching to go. When you get to the deli, just remember to look around at how big the servings are. And they sit you at any table, whether people are there or not. :) B&H is worth it. So, try to get there.

[mathogre]

Thanks for the link. What was the widest lens you brought? I'm considering borrowing Jim's 15mm fisheye next time I go. I've never been to the rock, always wanting to do the WTC's because my husband used to work there, and we went to the ESB instead. The Rock is always crowded, so I avoid it when it gets that way. Now I am itching to go. When you get to the deli, just remember to look around at how big the servings are. And they sit you at any table, whether people are there or not. :) B&H is worth it. So, try to get there.

The widest I brought was the kit lens, the 18-55. which is effectively 28.8 on the XSi crop. I used an EF 28mm f/1.8 USM at the Top of the Rock (effectively 44.8 on my XSi). Yes, it's crowded at the Top of the Rock, but the view is amazing.

[Strangely Brown]

DID YOU FORGET B&H!!!! Make a visit to the mecca!

I plan on going to Church a couple of times, the Wife isn't too bothered

[pbelarge]

When planning a trip to NY and trying to keep a schedule, here is a pretty good morning or afternoon.

1. Brooklyn Bridge - start from over by the park on the Brooklyn side

2. Wall Street - it is not a long walk from the BB. There is a lot of hertitage there - George Washington's first speech as the 1st President of our country.

3. Another short walk over to the Freedom Tower and Ground Zero. You do not need alot of time here, but you can get photos of the early construction and neighboring buildings.

[mathogre]

One of the things we did on Tuesday was the King Tut exhibit. Outstanding. In Central Park today we visited Belvedere Castle and Bow Bridge.

[Maureen Souza]

I was 18 or 19 the last time I visited NYC...am definitely excited about going next spring. And speaking of Spring, our daughter recently sprung on us that she is getting married in Hawaii in April so i will be jet-setting from one side of the country to the other :)

[mathogre]

I was 18 or 19 the last time I visited NYC...am definitely excited about going next spring. And speaking of Spring, our daughter recently sprung on us that she is getting married in Hawaii in April so i will be jet-setting from one side of the country to the other :)

Enjoy NYC, Maureen! It is excellent. Best wishes to your daughter and future son-in-law. Hawaii is great too! On which island will she be married? (It's been too many years since visiting the islands.)

[Maureen Souza]

She is getting married in Lahaina, Mauii...... I have a time share over there so it will come in handy :) I manage to get over about every other year and deal out the time share to other family members in between.

[s2kdriver80]

I'll be heading into Manhattan this weekend. Do you guys recommend the ESB or the Rock for general skyline cityscape shots? Do either allow tripods? And is a CP filter recommended to cut down on the atmospheric haze to get crisp images of things farther away? Thanks.

[mathogre]

I'll be heading into Manhattan this weekend. Do you guys recommend the ESB or the Rock for general skyline cityscape shots? Do either allow tripods? And is a CP filter recommended to cut down on the atmospheric haze to get crisp images of things farther away? Thanks.

If you want a great view of the ESB, then clearly The Rock is the place to go. I think in some ways it offers a better view anyway. You can get a great view of Central Park from The Rock also. Although the top observation deck is on the 70th floor, lower than the 86th floor of the ESB, it is wonderful.

That said, ESB is also excellent. From there, you get a good view of the Chrysler Building, and an unobstructed view of most everything, except Central Park. You can apparently also get tickets to the 102nd floor of the ESB, but I'm not sure you get much more by doing that.

Regarding tripods, as I recall from their websites, neither allow tripods. While I recall seeing a couple folks with tripods at the TotR, they're of little use up there. On the TotR, you'll need to work to get a space to look over the city. It is crowded. With a tripod, you'd need to get above the people lining the observation deck wall. At ESB, you get this woven stainless steel fence that's large enough to handle a lens and/or a hand, so you can get very good unobstructed views of the city.

http://www.esbnyc.com/
http://www.topoftherocknyc.com/

On a CP filter, I used one at the top of the ESB in the afternoon, and it didn't do much for me. Regardless, if you're going during the middle of the day and have a CP filter, bring it and try it.

Personally I'd recommend going wider angle and faster, especially if you go in the evening or night. The lenses I used were a 28mm, 55-250mm, and 50mm Lensbaby. The 28 and Lensbaby worked best, though I got some good shots with the zoom too.

Hope this helps. Have fun!

[pbelarge]

I went to the top of the rock in the early morning. It is not as busy - in regards to what is called busy in NYC. I was able to move around and stabilize my camera on the structure of the walls/glass. Go up to the upper level it is more wide open. Generally speaking, the haze is not as bad in the morning.

The night view from TOR is stunning.

I know that Graham mentioned going wide, but I would still bring a long lens. If it is clear, you can see the Verazanno Bridge, George Washington Bridge, the Hudson River up to Westchester County (thats where I live), and a myriad of other buildings, etc.

[12Rock]

Any of you folks planning on visiting the NYC area , leave a post on these forums . Hopefully i will see it and give my insight on the inside locations not just the regular tourist spots. There are spots all over the city , for that matter the city is broken down into sections , Such as .. tribecca (lower westside of manhattan) a little pricey very nice unique resturants (some famous)....little itlay need i say more as the same with China town ---but eat where the elder chinese folks eat(cheaper and better food) then the tourists spots .... The village ( greenwich Village ) sort of hip and somewhat of a gay area (all interresting)..good food here and bars and a coffee roster called POrto Rico Coffe ... buy by the pound or just grab a cup of java... on the cheap when around 57th street.. one of the best kept secrets is the place they call the hamburger joint , it's in the lobby of the Parker meridain hotel behind a curtian with no markings. All they sell are burgers and fries ...all prime meat... for about $8.00 a bargin in this part of manhattan...... Lets not forgett the famous hells kitchen 48th st south to 38th st on ninth ave nothing but resturants bakerys .........Now new in whats called the Flat iron section we have The complex that is called Eataly, and it occupies nearly 50,000 square feet of space at Fifth Avenue and 23rd Street. Italian food-lovers can enjoy seven boutique eateries, a wine shop, bakery and patisserie, plus a supermarket-sized Italian food and wine marketplace... this just opened aug 31, sure to be mobbed .. Anyway i have been around hit me up and enjoy

[s2kdriver80]

If you want a great view of the ESB, then clearly The Rock is the place to go. I think in some ways it offers a better view anyway. You can get a great view of Central Park from The Rock also. Although the top observation deck is on the 70th floor, lower than the 86th floor of the ESB, it is wonderful.

That said, ESB is also excellent. From there, you get a good view of the Chrysler Building, and an unobstructed view of most everything, except Central Park. You can apparently also get tickets to the 102nd floor of the ESB, but I'm not sure you get much more by doing that.

Regarding tripods, as I recall from their websites, neither allow tripods. While I recall seeing a couple folks with tripods at the TotR, they're of little use up there. On the TotR, you'll need to work to get a space to look over the city. It is crowded. With a tripod, you'd need to get above the people lining the observation deck wall. At ESB, you get this woven stainless steel fence that's large enough to handle a lens and/or a hand, so you can get very good unobstructed views of the city.

http://www.esbnyc.com/
http://www.topoftherocknyc.com/

On a CP filter, I used one at the top of the ESB in the afternoon, and it didn't do much for me. Regardless, if you're going during the middle of the day and have a CP filter, bring it and try it.

Personally I'd recommend going wider angle and faster, especially if you go in the evening or night. The lenses I used were a 28mm, 55-250mm, and 50mm Lensbaby. The 28 and Lensbaby worked best, though I got some good shots with the zoom too.

Hope this helps. Have fun!

Thanks for the tips. Ended up going to the TOTR instead, wasn't in the mood for the wait at ESB. Used a CP filter just to be safe. Used my 17-55 and the 10-22. Will try to get some pics up later.

[mathogre]

Thanks for the tips. Ended up going to the TOTR instead, wasn't in the mood for the wait at ESB. Used a CP filter just to be safe. Used my 17-55 and the 10-22. Will try to get some pics up later.

Looking forward to seeing them! :D

[Denise40]

I will be in NYC in 3 weeks prior to leaving on my cruise. I grew up in Buffalo, NY and never made it to NYC. Now that I live in Tx, I am going there. I am so excited and hope to get some good shots. I just rented a Canon 70-200F4 IS to take with me. Still trying to decide what other lens to take. I am wanting to go see The Food Network facility and some popular sites as well.

[s2kdriver80]

I will be in NYC in 3 weeks prior to leaving on my cruise. I grew up in Buffalo, NY and never made it to NYC. Now that I live in Tx, I am going there. I am so excited and hope to get some good shots. I just rented a Canon 70-200F4 IS to take with me. Still trying to decide what other lens to take. I am wanting to go see The Food Network facility and some popular sites as well.

I had this in my bag but never took it out once while I was roaming Manhattan. This isn't to say you couldn't use it, but to me, the 10-22 was the most useful to capture architecture and cityscape, followed by the 17-55.

[Denise40]

Thanks Paul. I am going to use it mainly for my cruise. I don't think I want to bring it out and about in NYC.

[Strangely Brown]

Just come back from a two week holiday in NYC and loved it.

Camera equipment wise i would suggest going wide, 10-20mm will be your friend :D

Managed to take 70gb of photos!

[pbelarge]

NYC is generally very safe. The people who work there and live there are......People.

Just watch certain locations. If you plan out your trip, I doubt very much which lenses or equipment you use. You will be surprised how many people in NYC have cameras. :cool:

[vipergts831]

Yeah i wouldnt worry. I walked around with a 70-200 2.8 IS II all day and had no issues. New Yorkers are used to people with cameras due to all the tourists who visit this city from around the world. No New Yorker will care about your camera as long as you dont slow us down from where we are going :lol:

[mathogre]

I found New Yorkers to be polite and pleasant during our recent trip, a sense consistent with my limited past experiences. For reference, I was raised in a small town of 3,000 people. I've worked in DC, so my "radar" is particularly sensitive to developing situations. Frankly I found myself feeling generally safer in NYC than in DC.

Understand this: they *know* you're a tourist. You can tell by the frequency limos stop when hailing cabs; they're not supposed to do that, but they do it anyway. :D

Honestly I can't wait until we go back to NYC. It was a fun time. It's a great city!

[Gomar]

wow... whiteboard AND flowchart?

4) Katz delicatessen for their world famous pastrami... omg... OMG!

their sandwiches are too much for me. Too crowded. In NYC, the Delis either give too much or too little; so I just stick to what I know: Subway. Ask 'em to microwave it.

Sept. is best time to go to Nathan's on Coney Island. Or Pier17.

[Gomar]

NYC Pizza - Totonnos on Neptune Ave out by Coney Island. N, Q, F, D train out to Stillwell Ave.

hold on. There is a new pizza place there now. you mean the small hole in the wall, or the big new one?
BTW, why did Popeye's shut down?

[vipergts831]

hold on. There is a new pizza place there now. you mean the small hole in the wall, or the big new one?
BTW, why did Popeye's shut down?

Popeyes was open just a few weeks ago when i was there???

[Gomar]

Popeyes was open just a few weeks ago when i was there???

The whole block is shut down for demolition. Joe Sitt wants to build hotels and a shopping mall. Popeye's was there like 27 years. I like to hang out on W37st anyway, so it doesnt bother me as I neither eat in Nathan's nor Popeye's. In fact, only that Chinese Buffet place is good on Stillwell ave.

[Caret]

:( jUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T BRING BACK BED BUGS, I HEAR NYC IS JUST CRWLING WITH THEM..YIKES...:(