10D for D60 - They Got Me!!!

[CamiBD]

This is my first post to this forum which I read all the time. Thanks for all the great information in the past, shutterbugs.

So, here's my problem. I am new to digital photography. I did a ton of homework before making the purchases (camera, computer and printer.) I don't know how I missed the fact that the 10D was to be on the market so soon. I feel tricked by Canon and all the other bajillions of websites I went to for research. December 27 I bought a D60 which for the most part I love. Two days ago I walk into my Mac store and there's the 10D sitting there . . . mocking me. I am fully aware of the techno one-up/rat race. I was prepared - but NOT so soon.

I planned on being happy with the D60 for a long while, but since I haven't had it that long and the improvements seem to be pretty substantial. . . . . . AAARRRGGGHH.

So frustrating. I vant to keel someone.

Advice and comments greatly appreciated.

By the way, I LOVE DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHY!

[martcol]

Hi

I'm gutted for you too! Similar thing happened to me with the G2 in UK but I had at least had my G2 for almost a year. I would Keel my self, I think.

Anyway, I now have my 10D and it is awesome but, I only have a digital compact to compare. From what I gather, there are some definite improvements over the D60 but it too is still fantastic. I would imagine that prices will settle a bit yet and there may even be some firmware updates to come. Wait a bit.

I also have a gut feeling that Canon may surprise us all again with whatever replaces the 10D, wehenever that is. Why not keep on with the D60 and see what happens in the next 18 months.

Mind you, I expect that you'll buy it. What I would urge you not to do is touch it. Once you do....

Let us know how you get on.

Martin

[Dans_D60]

Four months ago I purchased a laptop computer from Dell for work with all the bells and whistles. It’s a great tool for my mobile office. Within 30 days, the laptop is discounted and replaced with a faster CPU, more memory, more disk storage, and its $100 cheaper. My four-month old laptop still offers great performance and I don’t feel like “they got me”. Your D60 is one of the best-in-class 6 megapixel SLR’s. Enjoy!
Dan
http://www.pettusphoto.com

[CamiBD]

Thanks, both of you. I'll try to sit tight and just shoot. I will stop with the victim thing as well. I'm mostly pissed at and vanting to keel MYSELF!!

Meanwhile, bottom line - it's a coporate world and they don't make money by leaving stuff on their shelves.

I would make a crappy salesperson.

Cami

[reittila]

camibd wrote:
Thanks, both of you. I'll try to sit tight and just shoot. I will stop with the victim thing as well. I'm mostly pissed at and vanting to keel MYSELF!!

Meanwhile, bottom line - it's a coporate world and they don't make money by leaving stuff on their shelves.

I would make a crappy salesperson.

Cami

Ask you self a question.
Would 10D make you a better photographer ?
Would your photos become any better with 10D ?
These questions may help you.

[lziering]

The 10D will take better photos than the D60. Shots from the 10D taken in low light are more likely to be in focus, the are more like to be better exposed, and they will have less noise. The are unlikely to have be any better composed.

[neil_r]

Initially I felt as you, had the camera a couple of months and then along came a "better" one at a greatly reduced price (If you want an ironic laugh check out http://www.warehouseexpress.com they are offering the D60 for £ 1749 and the 10D for £ 1299 on the same page !)

I posted this after my first time out with the D60:-

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8781

For me the bottome line is this, I started taking photographs with an old Pentax S1a and a Weston Master IV light meter (both of which I still have) I learned it’s little idiosyncrasies and foibles and after a while, started taking some half decent pictures, since then I have owned many cameras and it has been the same for all of them, learn how to use it and enjoy the results. I have two hobbies, Motorcycling and photography and if I am really honest I cannot ride my bike ( http://homepage.ntlworld.com/neil.rice1/forum/daytona-1.jpg ) as fast or as well as it has the potential to be ridden and I can’t take as good a photograph as the D60 has the potential to produce.

In short I am going to enjoy my D60 as its all about the end results not the kit, and only when I really want to depress myself will I think of the £450 price difference and what I could have bought myself ( a Sigma 15-30 for a start) with the money

Neil

[boBquincy]

I purchased a D30 in late November 2001, the D60 was announced a short time later.
I still really enjoy my D30 and it takes as fine a photograph as it did on day one. The images do very well up the 13x19 print my S9000 can make. Any limitations are mostly mine.

I got a good deal ($2200 w 1GB and a spare battery) and still feel it was a good deal. The price of the camera was small compared to the photos I would have missed had I waited for the next generation to go on sale.

I have no complaints! ;)


boB

[martcol]

bobquincy wrote:
I still really enjoy my D30 and it takes as fine a photograph as it did on day one.

But the 10D is a reeeeel Beauteeeee! :D

Martin

[neil_r]

But the 10D is a reeeeel Beauteeeee! :D

Martin


Go on, rub it in, why don't ya :-)

Neil

[CamiBD]

Martin, you were right - I had touched it!!! And now I can't stop thinking about it!!! Doomed to suck it up and get the 10D. The AF improvement is too important to me.

Anyone want my D60? All in great shape, never had problem one. The manuals are lovingly dog-eared. Off to the Marketplace Forum.

After that, I'm sticking - I swear!

Cam

[AllenGC]

For all of you who are feeling p'd off with Canon bringing the 10d out so soon after the D60 and for so much less, I have this to say.
I recently bought a G3, which I exchanged for a CP 5700 (ugh!). It does everything I want and more of course, but as I have learnt so much more over the last 3 months I have recently been thinking about DSLR's and how much better, if at all, my photographs would be.
As I had only owned the G3 for 3 weeks, and there is a 28 day return option on it, I rang the shop to discuss the 10d and the possibility of exchanging my G3. They said they would, so I read up on the Internet about the 10d a bit more.
I found the 10d for £1,299 or thereabouts, so I decided to look for a lense, and I rang a company who advertise on the Internet. This is what they told me:
Keep your G3, the 10d is not full frame, (means nothing to me yet), the 10d is very big and bulky, and if I am determined to have one, wait for the new software, but..........................
It is rumoured that Canon are to bring out a 9mpg full frame DSLR later this year.
Sorry to break this to you, I think the 10d is fabulous, but I will wait.
Regards,
Allen.

[martcol]

camibd wrote:
After that, I'm sticking - I swear!

Come on Cam, self awareness is probably the primary agent of change - you don't seem to have any. Well, on the gadget front that is. :O

I have a 10D and it's my first DSLR. I really do think the improvements over my G2 are just well, not worth going on about. It's a different game. However, I would be sorely tempted to wait if I had a D60 and was not a pro. i) Digital doesn't seem to be anywhere near settling down. ii) 10D may get some firmware tweaks iii) you might fall in love or experience some other trauma!

Why not content yourself with developing your existing kit and see what happens?

Photography is not real life.

Martin

[jd_D60]

Well I bought D60 9 months ago for about £1000 more than the current price for a 10D.

Yes I woudn't mind a 10D, but not yet - the race goes on and like most things in life its a compromise.

I recently upgraded my 2½ yr old PC it was sooo slow, pushing Digital to the limits I'll not be satisifed with this in a years time.

I figure I'll get all the pixels I need for the time being.

BTW I went from EOS 650 to 100 to 5 to 1N to 3 over 10 years, so I expect I'll do the same all over again.

Don't get bogged down in pixels, I've read plenty from D30 owners who are lovin it - enjoy yur D60

[hurry]

It is rumoured that Canon are to bring out a 9mpg full frame DSLR later this year

If you believe rumors, you get your first DSLR in year 2025. There will be a Canon with an array with 120 megapixel (doubleframe) and zoom with 1.2/12-2050 . Price $ 499.

I'll wait for it!

This summer I'll buy my first pocket calculator! Yeepieeh!

[CamiBD]

Back and forth - finished again. After checking prices and further deliberation I am keeping my D60. Thank you all for your advice, it helped a great deal.

I don't know how to copy parts of previous replies yet, so bear with this:

Martin!

"Come on Cam, self awareness is probably the primary agent of change - you don't seem to have any. "

I find PAIN to be the greatest motivator for change. I took a hit to my pocket book and my ego for not asking more of the right questions. I finally came full circle, but thanks for the judgement call.

As for:

"Photography is not real life. "

My creative outlet makes for a very large and satisfying part of my very real life, thank you very much.

Cami

[CamiBD]

Ah - reply with quote!

[martcol]

camibd wrote:
Ah - reply with quote!
I take it all back Cami - you are elavated to a higher plane!

Now, talk about blind leading the blind, I am a sucker for gadgets and when I touched my 10D we made a connection. Everyone I meet compares my camera to the price of say, a family holiday, a car, a lump in a pension fund.... But heck, what do they know!

Martin

[WalStro]

Your D60 is now totally worthless. Pack it up and ship it to me ASAP, I'll give it a proper burial!

[rebenstein]

Go buy some L glass and wait for the next generation body.

[martcol]

rebenstein wrote:
Go buy some L glass and wait for the next generation body.
Now that sounds sensible.


Martin

[oops]

You could make a deal with yourself:

1. Only replace your current camera on a odd or even year.

2. Skip every other camera model.

3. Buy nothing until the last one is paid in full. This includes lenses and extra goodies.


If you used one of the examples above:

1. The D60 would be your current sweetheart and you would have eyes for no other.

2. The 10D, sweet as it is, will pass into history with you choosing something sweeter a short year or two from now.

:) Chris

[Morden]

1. Only replace your current camera on a odd or even year.

2. Skip every other camera model.

3. Buy nothing until the last one is paid in full. This includes lenses and extra goodies.


If you used one of the examples above:

1. The D60 would be your current sweetheart and you would have eyes for no other.

2. The 10D, sweet as it is, will pass into history with you choosing something sweeter a short year or two from now.
Sounds very reasonable.

[Rudi]

If you're happy with your D60, keep it. There's no reason to upgrade just to have the latest! If you're finding the D60 lacking, maybe the 10D makes sense for you, but don't upgrade just for the sake of upgrading!

This is my tale:

I bought my D30 in November 2001. The D60 replaced it not that many months later. At the time, I had a look at the D60, read up about all the "improvements", and decided that it was not enough of an upgrade to make sense for me...

... when the 10D came out, I did all the research and ordered one sight unseen! Didn't have to leave a deposit (my camera shop don't require that of me, since I am usually serious about my purchases). Got my name first on the list, and got my camera the day they arrived at the shop!

I was planning to keep my D30 as backup, but after only two days of using the 10D I *knew* that I would never reach for the D30 unless the 10D was broken...

...and it didn't seem fair! My D30 has been good to me, and didn't deserve to be left in the camera bag to collect dust, so I sold it! Found a good home for it in Tasmania... the owner thought it was new (I take good care of my stuff), and the two of them will be happy taking photos.

So I get to feel better about my old pal, the D30, and the money I got for it nearly paid for a new 16-35mm f/2.8 L zoom! Life is good... :)