Calling on 10D current/former owners gone 20D...

[DOrtiz]

Greetings everyone!!!


Well, it's official -- my wife is letting me to keep the 20D with the condition that all funds received for our 10D go toward paying off the 20D and that I work O/T for a week to pay off the difference. Having said this, already have my 10D sold to a fellow member of dpReview forum.

So ... as a current or former 10D owner, can anyone tell me what it is you personally find better about the 20D over the 10D in your own personal experience and area of photography? If you no longer have your 10D are there any regrets getting rid of it .. and if so, why?

Today I will go out and shoot to the day's end with this 20D -- I may even go shoot my son's high school football team while they're practicing for Thursday's football game. After all, I purchased the 20D for its shutter speed and high ISO performance particularly because of my son's evening games.

However, everyone has differnet styles and expectations which is why I'm posting this question here. I'm only asking because I know what the 10D can do in terms of image quailty. Like this one taken with my 10D of my son cutting our grass. Notice it almost looks 3D it's just so darn clear and chrisp, although I'm sure the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L had something to do with it as well.

http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/07.jpg

Thank you all so much in advance for your valued feedback. :)

Regards,
Dave

[RikWriter]

I sold my 10D for the 20D and my only regret is that I couldn't afford to keep the 10D as a backup camera because it was an excellent camera. The most important features the 20D has over the 10D are, IMHO, the bigger buffer, the faster frame rate, the better controls and the improved ISO performance.

[DOrtiz]

Hi Rik ..

I sold my 10D for the 20D and my only regret is that I couldn't afford to keep the 10D as a backup camera because it was an excellent camera. The most important features the 20D has over the 10D are, IMHO, the bigger buffer, the faster frame rate, the better controls and the improved ISO performance. Someone mentioned (on another forum) the 20D accually displays more daylight noise than the 10D does. For example, they used the sky saying the 20D didn't provide that silky smooth look, like the 10D did. Any feedback on this?

Regards,
Dave

[RikWriter]

Hi Rik ..

Someone mentioned (on another forum) the 20D accually displays more daylight noise than the 10D does. For example, they used the sky saying the 20D didn't provide that silky smooth look, like the 10D did. Any feedback on this?

Regards,
Dave

Depends on what ISO setting you leave it at, I think.

[pfogle]

Hi Rik ..

Someone mentioned (on another forum) the 20D accually displays more daylight noise than the 10D does. For example, they used the sky saying the 20D didn't provide that silky smooth look, like the 10D did. Any feedback on this?

Regards,
Dave

I used the 10D for a year or so before changing to the 20D. On prints up to 11x19 I never noticed any noise up to ISO 800 with either camera. And there are plenty ways to reduce noise if it does bother you.

My main regret in moving from the 10 to the 20 were that I prefer the slightly heavier build of the 10, and I really liked the quiet shutter. But for outdoor action shots like you describe, I think you won't look back! The 20 is far superior for auto focus and exposure.

Saying that, however, I should say that I've since moved on to the 1Dm2, which has the best of both, and then some :D

Phil

[davidwegs]

10d feels better to me and has a quiet shutter. I also prefer the files when shooting @ or below 400iso.

BTW, I have 2 20d's and one 10d.

[DOrtiz]

This morning I went out to shoot a few test pics (nothing special) I just wanted to shoot at ISO100 and f/4 in Av mode to test for this so-called grain the 20D is supposed to display at low ISO settings.

Now I'm a tad concerned about these images .. but you guys tell me if my perception is correct or just my imagination, but do the 10D images look better -- could it be the time of day (haze etc).. early morning 8:00 am vs 11:00 am?

20D test images @ ISO100, f/4, various focal lenghs, and shutter speeds:

http://i.pbase.com/v3/88/335988/1/48047878.09.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/v3/88/335988/1/48047867.02.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/v3/88/335988/1/48047870.04.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/v3/88/335988/1/48047875.07.jpg
http://i.pbase.com/v3/88/335988/1/48047878.09.jpg

10D test images @ ISO100, f/4, various focal lenghs, and shutter speeds:
http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/05.jpg
http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/06.jpg
http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/07.jpg
http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/04.jpg
http://www.dortizphoto.com/pictures/canon70-200/02.jpg

What does your trained eye see that I'm missing here? Do the 10D images look better to you also?

Any help will be most appreciated. I have the 10D sold but want to make sure this 20D is working as it should before I ship my 10D. I'm sure you understand...

Regards,
Dave

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http://dortizphoto.com (http://dortizphoto.com/)

[thomascanty]

I like the faster startup time on the 20D, the ability to save RAW without an embedded JPG, the extra megapixels and the lower noise at high ISO. I actually prefer the 7-point AF on the 10D over the 20D's 9-point though. That diamond shaped pattern just doesn't feel right to me. The cross pattern feels more natural. I've never noticed this low ISO noise, but I haven't done a side-by-side comparison, either.

I still have my 10D, but it doesn't get used as much as before any more.

[Bob_A]

If you want to make a comparison you really need to shoot exactly the same image under the same conditions with both cameras and maybe post 100% crops instead of tiny images like these. My suggestion would be to put one camera on a tripod, take the image, swap bodies and take the same image again using the same lens.

[DOrtiz]

OK, I'll have to do more close comparisons then. Thanks for your valued feedback - I really apprciate it.

Regards,
Dave

[RikWriter]

Personally, I didn't see any difference between the images.

[Andrea_T]

The faster start up time is a big advantage for me, plus the faster frame rate and lower noise at higher ISOs. I also prefer the handling and 'feel' of the 20D, but I'm not really sure why.

I also love the fact that the 20D allows me to use the 10-22mm EF-S lens, which is a really fun and effective lens!

[photodd]

Most everything is better with the 20D except for the mirror-slap noise. This may not be noticable while shooting a lawn mower, but in a quiet environment the 20D can be obnoxious.

[Keiffer]

I'm really surprised this is not a longer thread. I thought most of the 20D owners here were old 10D owners.
I also never heard anything about the 20D producing more noise, but Than again I don't own a 20D or a 10D:-(

[joeseph]

Leaping in from the D60 bandwagon,As a former owner of same, my advice would be to hang on to the 10D for at least a month or so in case there's any nasty suprises with the 20D..... (mine had lockup problems that Canon replaced the body for, eventually)

and yes the 20D is "louder" than the D60 too, but you forget really quickly.

[Maureen Souza]

The 20D is my first SLR.... does that mean I should be looking at getting the new 5D anytime soon?:p :p .....:lol: :lol: :lol:

[tim]

Those 10D images look pretty good. Does anyone have any comparisons of both at ISO 1600? I'm considering buying a 10D as a backup body for theatre and weddings.

[pfogle]

Those 10D images look pretty good. Does anyone have any comparisons of both at ISO 1600? I'm considering buying a 10D as a backup body for theatre and weddings.

I had both the 10D and 20D for a while. I did some theater workshop pix with both; loved the quiet shutter on the 10D, but got much better hit rate from the 20D autofocus. I just don't think the 10D is fast enough. Noise wasn't a problem at 800, not sure about 1600 but you can get rid of it anyway.

Phil

[tim]

Thanks Phil.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Speed,.. (repeat that word three or four more times)

Faster AF, Faster Buffer, Faster frame rates, faster start up times,. (and resume after "sleeping" etc..)

Also.. 20D has LESS Noise!

10D was more likely to expose well with EC set top dead center. (off) 20D, like the 1D,. seems to allways need compensation for perfect exposure. (no biggy you get used to it)
They tend to need PLUS compensation. If 20D owners are getting MORE noise with there 20D,. I would lay odds it's becuase they are NOT using plus compensation.. adn are thus underexposing.. Underexposure = more noise on any Digital.

[Croasdail]

Not going to add much new here to what hasn't already been said. I still own both. I shot sports up until end of last season with a 10D and with sports kicking off again have moved to a 20D. Other then some improvement noise reduction, the 20D doesn't do as much for me as I had expected it to do. Both cameras are horribly drawn to contrast lines - like bleachers or mesh fences - and both like to back focus. In order to get reliable results you pretty much need to select a single focus point - and in this case, the 10D's pattern I find more usefull. The 3 frames vs. 5 frames just isn't that big of a deal. I am finding that good timing is much better then sitting on the motor drive with both of these. Reason for this, because of the focusing issue above, keeping the right focus point on top of the action so the right subject is in focus is a lot harder then setting up and firing a singel shot at the right time - at least for me. The faster start up time is a moot issue - you just don't let the 10D go to sleep during the game. With the grip, both cameras have plenty of battery for all the shots you need to take plus reviewing - so set time out way up and you have neutralized this issue. Shutter noise - it is an issue sometimes. I shot tennis on Saturday with the 20D - and it was noticable - plenty of dirty looks from spectators. During volley last night with the same camera - no issue what so ever - crowd noise drowned it out. On ISO - I try t keep the 10D at ISO 800 or lower, the 20D is good to ISO - so for your sons late afternoon football, a good advantage with the 20D. Improvements are there, but they just will not leap out at you. 8 mp is more foregiving - more cropping lattitude. For me though, I am looking for the performance I had with my EOS 3, and unfortunately for my budget - it looks like the 1D is the only way I am going to be able to do that. Don't expect quantum improvements with the 20d, just enjoy the refinements it brings.