-->>> OFFICIAL 1D Mark II (or N) Vs 5D (or MKII) Thread <<<--

[paulhillion]

OK I'll get the ball rolling :D

So I must admit when I saw it was all official my first reaction was that I was going to sell my 1DMk2 in favour of the 5D, I even went as far as writing out my listing on eBay, which I've now cancelled.

Why? Well mainly because on some occasions I find the 1D a little too heavy for a general walkabout camera & if I'm honest I don't think I use all of it's features, well I don't think...I know!

But after thinking about it for a while I've decided to keep hold of my 1D for the moment, at least until the 5D is released & some user feedback comes in. For me the difference in megapixels doesn't mean that much, as doesn't the full frame of the 5D. Having weather protection is always useful as is the high frame rate, the built in grip, etc etc etc.

So at present how many out there are thinking of selling their current body to move to the 5D. I can't see many 1D2 users selling to go to the 1D2N version can you?

[kawter2]

So at present how many out there are thinking of selling their current body to move to the 5D.

I curently have 2 20D's I plan on going to one 5D and one 20D. (due to $$ limitations)


I can't see many 1D2 users selling to go to the 1D2N version can you?

If someone bought the 1DMKII as an altenative to the 20D for build etc.. I can see them upgrading.. If they are a PJ or sports shooter.. Ho way in Nell

[neil_r]

Not sure if you were looking for negative coments but no I shall not be swapping out my MII for either of them.

N

[GyRob]

i will stick with my 1dmk2 there is nothing on the new camera's for me to make me want to change For once i bourght the right camera at the right price and at the right time too- I also sold my other gear at the best time :)
Rob.

[kawter2]

I curently have 2 20D's I plan on going to one 5D and one 20D. (due to $$ limitations)



If someone bought the 1DMKII as an altenative to the 20D for build etc.. I can see them upgrading.. If they are a PJ or sports shooter.. Ho way in Nell


OOPS I READ THAT WRONG.. I thought you were asking about 1dMKII to 5d

[paulhillion]

Not sure if you were looking for negative coments but no I shall not be swapping out my MII for either of them.

N
No I'm not looking for negative comments about either camera, just interested in knowing what other members are considering doing if anything at all & what members feel about the 2 cameras in question, pros & cons?

[scottbergerphoto]

OK. I read the review. I am not selling my 1DM2 or 20D. I would love to have a 12MP full frame sensor. Anyone want to buy a kidney?

[davidfig]

The 5D and 1D were made for two different markets. One is a speed deamon, the other is an amatuer camera (assuming professional means a built in battery grip).

[neil_r]

No I'm not looking for negative comments about either camera,

Sorry, by negative I meant "No I am not swapping" as opposed to "Yes I am swapping" posts.

Cheers

[booggerg]

The 5D and 1D were made for two different markets. One is a speed deamon, the other is an amatuer camera (assuming professional means a built in battery grip).

??? Why is a camera deemed an amateur product if it can't do high speed?

[tacos3]

As a 20d user that shoots a lot of motorsports and indoor concerts, the 5d is not that compelling unless the FF sensor and digicII chipset give FAR superior high ISO, low noise performance. I can't see anything going leaps and bounds over the 20d. The 1Dmk2N still looks like a great camera that I still would consider buying keeping the 20d as a backup.

Anyone wanna guess on the 5d performance in terms of color saturation and ISO performance?

[jerrythesnake]

would the 5d be a better camera for macro photography against the mark 2 , dont need speed just the best resolution possible?

[formula4speed]

I think the people who are going to be wanting the 5D will be wedding photographers. Perosnally I'd certainly like to test out a 5D with a 14mm L, that would have to be a very cool perspective.

[kawter2]

I think the people who are going to be wanting the 5D will be wedding photographers.



Yes exactly why i am considering it.. only for the fact that Canon does not make a 17-55(ish)mm 2.8 L...


IMO the 24-70 on a 1.6 is not wide enough.. I often feel too cramped with a 24-70 on a 20D yet too limited with a 16-35 or 15-30

[Sherlockoam]

I currently own a 1D MkII and after I looked at the specs of 1D MkIIn, I'm clear to myself that I don't need to spend more on 1D MkIIn for just a minor change. Same resolution, same burst speed, same processor, same crop factor........no reason for me to go for it.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Certainly not going to upgrade to an "N" just for a bigger LCD to ignore...

Nor is the 5D appealing to me so much that I'd give up my MkII.. so I keep my MkII.

The 5D however is MOST certainly a "Professional" body..
And if Studio, Landscape, Product shots, Fashion, Portraits or even Weddings were my thing, then the 5D would be high on my list for must haves.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Has anyone figured out the Pixel Density comparison yet?

[Belmondo]

Certainly not going to upgrade to an "N" just for a bigger LCD to ignore...

Nor is the 5D appealing to me so much that I'd give up my MkII.. so I keep my MkII.

The 5D however is MOST certainly a "Professional" body..
And if Studio, Landscape, Product shots, Fashion, Portraits or even Weddings were my thing, then the 5D would be high on my list for must haves.

Guess that pretty well sums up my attitude on the whole thing. I wonder what this is going to do to the price of a used 1Ds (mk1). IMHO they've been unrealistically high. Now that there's a full fram alternative for a little over $3K, it has to be a factor.

[schmoelzel]

I concur with CDS.........it certainly is a 'pro' camera as is the 20D, 10D.......if you make a living and use those cameras, guess what!!?? You're a professional. I think the 5D would be an awesome body for a wedding/portrait photographer. I still love my lowly 1D and will keep this body for a few years yet but I am glad that Canon keeps offering new and varied cameras. Nothing wrong with upgrades as long as you use them for what they are.........I don't need a FF camera.......yet!!:D

[pcasciola]

Has anyone figured out the Pixel Density comparison yet?1D Mk II/Mk II-N and 5D are all just about the same pixel density. Just under 15K pixels/sq mm of sensor area.

[kawter2]

1D Mk II/Mk II-N and 5D are all just about the same pixel density. Just under 15K pixels/sq mm of sensor area.



Ladies and Gentlemen

THE MAN


THE MYTH

THE LEGEND.,....


PHIL!!!!!!

hehehe

[jfrancho]

I have been using a DRebel (300D) for a year. I have seriously been wanting to upgrade to a 1DmkII, mostly for picture quality, and bigger buffer. For what I want, the 5D seems to be the camera to get, next. It isn't the fastest, but I'm not the fastest either. However, I do find the buffer on the DRebel slowing me down. I'm not sure I need the weatherproofing, memory options, etc. on the 1DmkII.

[pcasciola]

Ladies and Gentlemen

THE MAN


THE MYTH

THE LEGEND.,....


PHIL!!!!!!

heheheLOL!!!

Bob Gross will be on any minute to tell me I was off by about 1%. That guy has more knowledge in his pinky finger than I have in my entire brain.

I'm kinda wishing I didn't need a fast camera, or the 5D would be the way to go. Full frame at $3000, that's a bargain.

[AjP]

well for me personaly 5D is not even worst my 20D, yes it is full frame (I don't care), yes it is 12Mp ( do I print 30x60 - no) 3 fps vs 5 fps that make a difference, and 3299 for 5d, I better spend 3999 for Mark II N which is Pro Body, much faster even so 8Mp

[kawter2]

This is why there is 5(6 w/300D) different Canon dSLR options now.. Each camera might be the RIGHT fit for one but not the other,... doesn't make camera a better than camera b.. they all have benifits.

overal speed
image quality
pixel count
cost savings
size/weight


etc etc etc

[Johnny Thunder]

The 5D is Enourmsly appealing to me, Full Frame, 12.8 mpx, and Wireless compatible, the IDEAL studio Camera, and thats where I plan on spending most of my time. I dont shoot sports or wildlife, and enjoy shooting Landscapes. the 1D MII/1Ds were always something to drool over, but 1D simply for the speed, not that I'd ever use it.

I, for one, Will be picking up a 5D around Christmas time (hopefully sooner!)

-Johnny

[newgenphoto]

I think the people who are going to be wanting the 5D will be wedding photographers.

You said it... I love the 24-70mm lens but like another member said, I feel cramped with it. I can't wait to shoot my group shots with a full frame 5D now. Just gotta spend more money.... try explaining this one to your wifes tonight!!

[Jon]

I've been wanting a larger format camera for wide-angle use. The one thing that Canon's (still) lacking for the 1.6x bodies is a good fisheye, whether full-frame or circular. And ultra-wide primes aren't exactly common either. I'd been leaning toward the 1D II, but this gives me an alternative. I don't think I'll need 8.5 FPS but for sure a bigger buffer will be useful, and I get that with either. A 1.3x won't give me all a fisheye can do, but it's a start. The smaller size of the 5D is nice, too. If, as I suspect, the prices stabilize around $600-$700 apart, it'll be a tough call, but the 5D may have the edge.

[griff2]

newgenphoto wrote: try explaining this one to your wifes tonight!!One of your wives? How many have you got?

[newgenphoto]

HAHA...
You know what I meant....

[lomond]

Phew ! . I thought Canon were about to come out with something that would make me regret buying the 1D MKII a few months ago.
Neither the 5D nor the 1D MKIIN impress me.

Sure the full frame is impressive at that price but at what expense ? ( Everything else about this camera is way behind the 1D MKII and it's not weather sealed)
I like the compromise of the 1D MKII with it's 1.3 crop factor.
I can still get good landscapes and good wildlife.
I can print to A3+ with the 1D MK II so why should or would I buy a 5D.

I would also like to see how the 5D handles non L lenses. I remember some people talking about the 1DS out resolving lesser quality lenses.

[lostdoggy]

I don't think Canon intended for the 5D to surmount the 1DMKII, but instead to supplement the Digital EOS line. Canon has sieze the top and bottom of the DSLR line and the 5D will be the beginning of a Mid-level assault for their DSLR conquest. Their Competitors have aim low into the fight for low end DSLR market that Canon has claim victory with the Rebel and the 20D which has bought wide attetion in the world of Digital Photography. The 5D is the logical next step for any Rebel user who wants a FF sensor and can't afford the 1DsMKII. The 20D user will have to wait for their next generation where as the 1D users will see a migration of the 2 model. This will be good news, this will then bring a new 1D that will be FF w/ larger buffer capable of 8.5fps, Because of this the 5D is only 3fps. Canon probaly already have the technology to bring out the 1DMKIII but chose not to trump the 5D. I think they will announce the new 1D early next year.

I'm very interested in the 5D, but if I had the 1DMKII I would not consider it.

[tim]

I think the people who are going to be wanting the 5D will be wedding photographers.


It would be nice, but it's not essential for me. When translated to NZD, the cost is enough to buy two 20Ds and a reasonable lens, and the benefit is marginal. I'd like full frame (though worried if my lenses are good enough), i'd love RGB histogram, and i'd like a bigger viewfinder, but none are must haves for me.

I was waiting for this announcement before I decided on my backup camera, I think i'm going to keep the 20D as my main camera, and get a 2nd hand 10D as a backup.

[Tom W]

I suppose that it all depends on your lens collection. A reasonably (??) priced full-frame digital SLR would be just the thing for somebody that was already set up well with Canon lenses, and couldn't afford the 1Ds II. I think that there's a number of shooters out there that are still using film, but might make the switch for something like this. But for a broken film door on my Elan a couple of years ago, I might be one of those people.

[Vegas Poboy]

Well I'm glad to see Canon trying to keep thier stock up but after purchasing the 10D, 20D & just picked up the Mark II in July I don't see a need in buying the latest upgrade to the Mark II. To me nothing major has change for the $$$, I still don't use all of the features I have now. So I'm going for more glass, I still want that 300 f/2.8 in my collection also that 24-105 lens my just go good in my bag since I never got around to picking up the 28-135 IS. :)

[tim]

If the 24-105 was F2.8 IS it'd be a killer lens, i'd definitely get one, alas, it's not :(

[SeanH]

YEA......I love it!!! Considering I returned the 1Dmk2 because all of the jpg's were soft & flat and I didn't want to have to process every shot. I wish I could find the post were I said "If they made a 1Dmk2 with 20D settings, I would buy it in a second", I loved the camera but hated the soft shots it took. And for everyone that said I was crazy......well I must not have been alone!!! ..........god it get's old being right all the time :wink:

[felix21685]

at least now u can get your 1DMKIIN's in SILVER :) YAY..lol ..man i dunno id get a black one for sure..

but seriously if it wasnt for this fast advancement in digital technology i wouldnt be shooting digital at all right now..
i was going to try and find a digital back for my elan 7e and of course that didnt happen..
so even if the 5D or the 1DMKIIN arent for u ..its just one step closer to something that will be perfect for ur next upgrade.

[ghocking]

I would like them both, they both have so much to offer me, I was only commenting on a thread the other day about Canon putting in an option for straight out of the camera processing. For me the 350D will be replaced by the 5D as soon as I can get hold of one. I love the 20D and will always keep hold of it, for

a. I have two EF S lenses, and the 10-22 is a great lens.
b. I like the long end of my 100-400 with 1.6. I know I can crop full frame to give same results, but does not feel the same.

Maybe nest year will think of the IId N, to get a body that suits my 24-70 L, but the 24-105 L may come first.

You cannot save all the time, take up photography and you cannot save at all, or only to pay off your credit cards, thanks Canon.

[grego]

The 5D and 1D were made for two different markets. One is a speed deamon, the other is an amatuer camera (assuming professional means a built in battery grip).

The 5D is a pro camera(grip alone doesn't equal pro). That's why its still priced high and doesn't thave a built in flash. It's meant for pros who have better flash equipment, and who'd never depend on that popup flash. I do kinda question them not putting in the grip, but that's a way of cutting some cost out of it and making money on a new grip. The buttons aren't geared towards the automatic for the regular consummer, for example.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS5D/Images/5d-11.jpg
(It's missing a lot of those buttons that you see on the 300D, 350D, 20D that make it fully automatic and what not).


The 5D is that less expensive version of the 1DsMKII. You get full frame with a few limitations like less MP and I'm sure the feel isn't as good. It's not the same as holding something that's solid rather than with a grip, from my experiences.

The 5D is perfect for the portrait photographer. 85 mm and 135 on that will work out nicely. It has a good buffer rate, but it's not meant for anything like sports, although its still do-able.

[MarkH]

If the 24-105 was F2.8 IS it'd be a killer lens, i'd definitely get one, alas, it's not :(

24-105 f2.8 L IS? *Drool*

Of course if it was f2.8 it would be larger, heavier and more expensive.

This is obviously the lens to fill the gap in Canon's lens line-up.

17-40 f4L
24-105 f4L IS
70-200 f4L

The 70-200 needs an updated verion with IS, but otherwise a very nice selection of glass at a more affordable price than the f2.8 primo lenses. They are also more forgiving on lens choice with a reasonable overlap to reduce the need for lens changes between shots.

The bargain 'L's now have you covered from 17mm to 200mm at f4
The top shelf 'L's have you covered from 16mm to 200mm at f2.8

The only thing Canon lacks is the zooms to 300mm at f4 and f2.8, so Sigma has the market to itself with the 100-300 f4 EX and 12-300 f2.8 EX. Canon should do some IS zooms to 300mm to compete against Sigma - then I would have more lenses to lust after that I can't afford.

[grego]

The only thing Canon lacks is the zooms to 300mm at f4 and f2.8, so Sigma has the market to itself with the 100-300 f4 EX and 12-300 f2.8 EX. Canon should do some IS zooms to 300mm to compete against Sigma - then I would have more lenses to lust after that I can't afford.

Canon just came out with a new 70-300. So maybe they are answering that call.

[MadMesh]

hopefully new the one stopps falling super soft after 200mm like the original 75-300...

[MarkH]

Canon just came out with a new 70-300. So maybe they are answering that call.

I can't see how, the new 70-300 is only f5.6 at 300, not really competition for Sigmas F4 or F2.8 lenses.

I was thinking more of a 100-300 f4L IS from Canon as a good prosumer lens.

I would also like to see a 100-300 f2.8L IS lens for the pros, obviously it would be quite expensive as well as large and heavy. But if it was not too much more expensive than the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 (like less than $500 more) and if it was as sharp - then it would be worth the extra cost over the Sigma to get a genuine Canon lens and to have the IS.

[pcasciola]

I was thinking more of a 100-300 f4L IS from Canon as a good prosumer lens.

I would also like to see a 100-300 f2.8L IS lens for the pros, obviously it would be quite expensive as well as large and heavy. But if it was not too much more expensive than the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 (like less than $500 more) and if it was as sharp - then it would be worth the extra cost over the Sigma to get a genuine Canon lens and to have the IS.Oh, me too!!!

I've been fighting off the urge to buy the Sigma 120-300/2.8 for some time now hoping Canon would release something to compete in that range. While I hear a lot of good things about the Sigma, I also hear a lot of bad things, so I'd rather have it in a Canon L with USM and IS. I can't believe the only zooms Canon offers that go above 200mm are f/5 - f/5.6 from 200mm on up.

I've also been hoping (dreaming) Canon would announce the re-introduction of the 200/1.8L, or even a 200/2L IS similar to the Noink, but I've stopped holding my breath on that one. :(

[felix21685]

i wonder how soon itll be before 75-300 comparing the new 75-300 IS

so its the later 2nd generation IS right ?

[JuStDaVe]

Wat is the main difference between that and its counter part ?

Dave

[attu]

I supose that depends what you consider to be its counterpart, for me I consider its only counterpart to be the EOS 1Ds mkII, so the main differences would be for the 5D size, weight and price but against the 5D build quality, lower resolution and not as many functions.

Andy

[roanjohn]

AHA!!! My predictions exactly!!!

I think it would be great if somebody makes a side by side comparison....

I personally think that you get more bang for your bucks with the 1D MKII. I mean, is there really a big difference between 1.3 vs 1.0?? For the same price, not only do you get a more rugged body and a faster camera, you also get one of the best focusing system in a camera. And lets not get started on image quality..........the 1D MKII is now the benchmark for low noise on high ISO (and that is more than good enough for most shooters). And viewfinder.......I think they should almost be similar no??

In any case.................the rumor mills are a buzzing at the Nikon forums that the D200 will inherit the D2X's focusing system. If this is the case.......then it won't be long b4 Canon introduce the 45 pt focus system (maybe eye control??) on a smaller size body..............When that happens, then I will be the first in line...........

For now, I think I will be upgrading my glass collection.............35 f1.4 L :D

Ro1

[I Simonius]

OK. I read the review. I am not selling my 1DM2 or 20D. I would love to have a 12MP full frame sensor. Anyone want to buy a kidney?

Is thatr a FF kidney or a 1.6 crop kidney?? :D

What I don't understand is why have they not put the 16MP sensor in it?

[roanjohn]

[QUOTE=Simon king]Is thatr a FF kidney or a 1.6 crop kidney?? :D

QUOTE]

its 1.5X!!!! Thats why he's giving it away!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Ro1

[I Simonius]

[QUOTE=Simon king]Is thatr a FF kidney or a 1.6 crop kidney?? :D

QUOTE]

its 1.5X!!!! Thats why he's giving it away!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Ro1

Yearrrrh! But seriously Folks, why not put the 16MP sensor in the 5D?

[booggerg]

To quote some idiot from DPReview's forum..

"comman canon stop making these tiny steps and give us the body that we all are waiting for.. 30MP, FF, 9.5fps, weather sealing, etc...."

What an idiot. This equipment fever is making people stupid.

[I Simonius]

To quote some idiot from DPReview's forum..

"comman canon stop making these tiny steps and give us the body that we all are waiting for.. 30MP, FF, 9.5fps, weather sealing, etc...."

What an idiot. This equipment fever is making people stupid.

Well that's what I call a considered response ;)

[grego]

In any case.................the rumor mills are a buzzing at the Nikon forums that the D200 will inherit the D2X's focusing system.



Wow, it's been so long, I'd hope the D200 comes with D2X's focusing system, because right now, they can't compete with the 20D with that D100 since it was builty to compete with the D60/10D.

[MarkH]

To quote some idiot from DPReview's forum..

"comman canon stop making these tiny steps and give us the body that we all are waiting for.. 30MP, FF, 9.5fps, weather sealing, etc...."

What an idiot. This equipment fever is making people stupid.

Surely this person only needs to slip into a Coma for about 10 years and then he can wake up and have the camera that does all that and more.

[RaymondCheung]

Question: Since 5D has no environmental seal unlike that of 1DsMarkII, will that be a big problem in usual outdoor photography? Thanks

[grego]

Question: Since 5D has no environmental seal unlike that of 1DsMarkII, will that be a big problem in usual outdoor photography? Thanks

You have the 350D, right? If you can make do with that, you can defintely make do with the 5D. It's built better than the 350D, but just doesn't have the full protection that the 1 series cameras do.

It'll perform, but if it starts raining, you'll need a rain cover, just like you'd need with a 10D, 20D, 300D, 350, etc. etc

[RaymondCheung]

You have the 350D, right? If you can make do with that, you can defintely make do with the 5D. It's built better than the 350D, but just doesn't have the full protection that the 1 series cameras do.

It'll perform, but if it starts raining, you'll need a rain cover, just like you'd need with a 10D, 20D, 300D, 350, etc. etc

Thanks, that's nice advice from you:cool:

[grego]

Thanks, that's nice advice from you:cool:

NO problem, good luck to you if you purchase the camera. I'm sure you'll be happy with whatever choice you make.

[Jesper]

The 5D and 1D were made for two different markets. One is a speed deamon, the other is an amatuer camera (assuming professional means a built in battery grip).Exactly. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compare the 5D and the 1D Mark II (N). Neither is better or worse than the other. This is an "apples vs oranges" thread! :rolleyes:

The 5D appeals to me much more than the 1D. I don't need the speed of the 1D, and I'd love to have a full frame, high resolution camera.

[BtBam]

i was much much more interested in the 5D..but now im considering the 1D mII N Alot..

Wont be till the end of the year, and if i get alot of work coming through :)

[RDKirk]

Exactly. It doesn't make a lot of sense to compare the 5D and the 1D Mark II (N). Neither is better or worse than the other. This is an "apples vs oranges" thread! :rolleyes:

The 5D appeals to me much more than the 1D. I don't need the speed of the 1D, and I'd love to have a full frame, high resolution camera.

Right now I'm doing portraits with a 20D. It produces decent portraits up to 20x24, but I'd like to sell 30x40--which is about $400 more profitable than a 20x24. Judging from the Canon test images, the 5D will do that nicely.

I had been contemplating the Kodak SLR/c, but between the dodgy Sigma body and the fact that Kodak has left the business, that was a shakey proposition. I've also considered a used 1D Mk I, but it's hard to find one of those from a reputable dealer, and while I don't need a 1D Mk II speed demon, the 1Ds is just too slow handling. It would annoy me constantly. Moreover, it doesn't produce the most noiselss images in the world.

A 1Ds Mk II would be nice, but it would hammer my cash flow, and I'd never be able to afford a comparable. The 5D is just fine for my use. I've got a pre-order in. If it works out, I'll get another soon after.

[SWPhotoImaging]

I'm curious about just what kind of narcissistic egotists come in requesting a 30x40 inch portrait?

Or are these used for commercial display purposes rather than typical portrait use?

[kawter2]

I'm curious about just what kind of narcissistic egotists come in requesting a 30x40 inch portrait?

Or are these used for commercial display purposes rather than typical portrait use?

Lovely technique~!!!!


Blast away and THEN ask questions to clarify his market!!!

[SWPhotoImaging]

I can't help it. I'm cynical by nature and stuff like that just pops out.
Not at all intended as any slight to the photographer, but a jab at clinetele that I pictured in my mind as walking in asking for gargantuan self-images . . .
;)

[RDKirk]

I'm curious about just what kind of narcissistic egotists come in requesting a 30x40 inch portrait?

Or are these used for commercial display purposes rather than typical portrait use?

Middle-class and higher familes like them for family portraits.

[neil_r]

Middle-class and higher familes like them for family portraits.

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[I Simonius]

Middle-class and higher familes like them for family portraits.

yeah I can just see a baron or princess coming in with (cue horsey voice) 'We would like a digital print poster size of our bay 'Sir gallopalot' for little lord Fuantleroy's bedroom, can you do one for us cos we're too dense to do it ourselves"

and the Middle class? I thought they moved! ( now was it up or down?)

[rssfhs]

You have the 350D, right? If you can make do with that, you can defintely make do with the 5D. It's built better than the 350D, but just doesn't have the full protection that the 1 series cameras do.

It'll perform, but if it starts raining, you'll need a rain cover, just like you'd need with a 10D, 20D, 300D, 350, etc. etc

If I had a 1D MKII or similar camera, I couldn't imagine leaving it out in the rain, even if it were weather sealed, so that feature is not so important to me.

[Flootje]

Hi all,

interesting but i'm still not sure what to do...can anyone give me some advice, please.
I shoot mainly kitesurfing, windsurfing and surfing and i'm using a 20D.
i just ordered a waterhousing for my 20D and i'm planning on keeping that one for the housing mainly and have as a second camera...now i want to buy a new camera, as far as i understood it seems like the 5D is not the best one to buy if you shoot sports. Now that the Mark II (N) came out, the Mark II went down a bit in price....what would be thr better option, go for the Mark II or the Mark II (N)...
any advice is welcome, thanks!

[Jon]

yeah I can just see a baron or princess coming in with (cue horsey voice) 'We would like a digital print poster size of our bay 'Sir gallopalot' for little lord Fuantleroy's bedroom, can you do one for us cos we're too dense to do it ourselves"

and the Middle class? I thought they moved! ( now was it up or down?)

The current fashion for new houses in the US is for large rooms and cathedral ceilings where possible. I've been to a number of people's houses where they had portraits or family groups, whether painting or photo, of 20x30 or larger - and, no, I'm not rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous. But filling a large wall, an 8x10 in an 11x14 frame just doesn't cut it.

[grego]

If I had a 1D MKII or similar camera, I couldn't imagine leaving it out in the rain, even if it were weather sealed, so that feature is not so important to me.

Well, of course, but they are built for photojournalists who face extreme situations. That's what its there for. Obviously the average user usually won't face those situations.

That's why its a 1 series camera. Not really priced for the average user.

[I Simonius]

The current fashion for new houses in the US is for large rooms and cathedral ceilings where possible. I've been to a number of people's houses where they had portraits or family groups, whether painting or photo, of 20x30 or larger - and, no, I'm not rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous. But filling a large wall, an 8x10 in an 11x14 frame just doesn't cut it.

After the silver then me hearty,eh, eh?;)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mebailey]

Iam just a lowly hobbyist, but is it wise to mock the very folks that support the pros among us the most? After all in the US everyone describes themselves as "middle class".

[mikeivan]

1D Mk II/Mk II-N and 5D are all just about the same pixel density. Just under 15K pixels/sq mm of sensor area.
Isn't the pixel density of the 20D sensor about the same?

[HJMinard]

Isn't the pixel density of the 20D sensor about the same?

No ... the 20D pixel density is closer to 24K per sq mm.

[pcasciola]

Isn't the pixel density of the 20D sensor about the same?Like Jay said, the 20D has a higher pixel density. It's actually the highest pixel density digital SLR Canon makes. Just a hair higher than the XT which has a slightly smaller sensor and slightly lower resolution than the 20D.

Here are all the Canon dSLR pixel densities:

D30 - 9074 pixels/sq mm
D60 - 18355 pixels/sq mm

300D - 18355 pixels/sq mm
350D - 24235 pixels/sq mm

10D - 18355 pixels/sq mm
20D - 24253 pixels/sq mm

5D - 14932 pixels/sq mm

1D - 7570 pixels/sq mm
1D Mk II/Mk II N - 14932 pixels/sq mm

1Ds - 12897 pixels/sq mm
1Ds Mark II - 19228 pixels/sq mm

[I Simonius]

Like Jay said, the 20D has a higher pixel density. It's actually the highest pixel density digital SLR Canon makes. Just a hair higher than the XT which has a slightly smaller sensor and slightly lower resolution than the 20D.

Here are all the Canon dSLR pixel densities:

D30 - 9074 pixels/sq mm
D60 - 18355 pixels/sq mm

300D - 18355 pixels/sq mm
350D - 24235 pixels/sq mm

10D - 18355 pixels/sq mm
20D - 24253 pixels/sq mm

5D - 14932 pixels/sq mm

1D - 7570 pixels/sq mm
1D Mk II/Mk II N - 14932 pixels/sq mm

1Ds - 12897 pixels/sq mm
1Ds Mark II - 19228 pixels/sq mm



Any idea what's the reasoning behind the differing pixel densities?

Is it down to manufacturing restrictions or a deliberate choice?

What difference does pixel SIZE have on picture quality, and is it a big enough difference to notice IRL??

[danphoto1]

i can find a specific use for all three I will keep my 1d MK II and use it for sports. The 20D is useful for long telephoto shots and portraits. The beauty of the full frame sensor will be that my 16-35 f-2.8 will be exactly that. I think that it if your budget can afford it than digital cameras will be as specailized as lenses for specific uses. The right tool for the right job so to speak.

[I Simonius]

Jolly expensive 16mm it makes it though!

[pcasciola]

Any idea what's the reasoning behind the differing pixel densities?

Is it down to manufacturing restrictions or a deliberate choice?

What difference does pixel SIZE have on picture quality, and is it a big enough difference to notice IRL??In general, and with today's sensors, the larger photosites tend to produce less noise and greater dynamic range, simply because more light hits each photosite. I think the 20D is pushing the limits of today's technology, which is probably why the 5D and 1D Mk II N both sport the same roughly 15K/sq mm density. But consumers want megapixels, so to keep the 1.6x crop and offer more megapixels than the 10D/300D, the 20D and 350D were pushed to the limit, and maybe slightly beyond with some clever noise reduction circuitry.

I wonder what Canon will pull out of their bag of tricks for the 20D's replacement? It's a little early for 16MP at 1.6x, especially considering there is probably a short list of lenses that can resolve that.

[I Simonius]

In general, and with today's sensors, the larger photosites tend to produce less noise and greater dynamic range, simply because more light hits each photosite. I think the 20D is pushing the limits of today's technology, which is probably why the 5D and 1D Mk II N both sport the same roughly 15K/sq mm density. But consumers want megapixels, so to keep the 1.6x crop and offer more megapixels than the 10D/300D, the 20D and 350D were pushed to the limit, and maybe slightly beyond with some clever noise reduction circuitry.

I wonder what Canon will pull out of their bag of tricks for the 20D's replacement? It's a little early for 16MP at 1.6x, especially considering there is probably a short list of lenses that can resolve that.

Thanks for that, why not though model the 5D on the 1Ds pixelwise, rather than the 1D?

[Daryl Bothwell]

I hat to burst anyone's bubble but I own the 20D and bought an XT because I wanted a lighter, smaller camera for astrophoto work. Now I hve a hard time bringing out the 20D, since I have found that for color balance, tonal qualities and crispness, the XT takes better pics than my 20D! Flesh tones are significantly better with the XT. Plus the camera is much quieter and at least as fast, if not faster. Pretty disappointing to find that a $750 camera in several ways is better than the more expensive 20D!

[felix21685]

daryl,
ill trade u another xt for that 20D u have ;)

[danphoto1]

Get over it big camera small camera. Try lugging a 1D around with a 120-300 f2.8 and another with a 70-200 L lens and a 20D gets pretty light even with a 28 -300 L lens. I wouldn't tarade anything. I still love my old 1D. The 20D with a tamron 28-300 is a great lightweight camera to me.

[rssfhs]

I hat to burst anyone's bubble but I own the 20D and bought an XT because I wanted a lighter, smaller camera for astrophoto work. Now I hve a hard time bringing out the 20D, since I have found that for color balance, tonal qualities and crispness, the XT takes better pics than my 20D! Flesh tones are significantly better with the XT. Plus the camera is much quieter and at least as fast, if not faster. Pretty disappointing to find that a $750 camera in several ways is better than the more expensive 20D!

Best news I've heard all week! I just may take your advice and save myself a couple K! Thanks!

[WyzMan]

Can anyone explain to me the comparative merits of the 1D II and its 45AF points with the 5D and its 9AF points plus six invisible ones. Any help in understanding what appears to be a big difference between these two gratefully received but bear in mind that I am a 10D user!
Alan

[ed2day]

Can anyone explain to me the comparative merits of the 1D II and its 45AF points with the 5D and its 9AF points plus six invisible ones. Any help in understanding what appears to be a big difference between these two gratefully received but bear in mind that I am a 10D user!
Alan

I think the main advantage is tracking moving subjects in AI Servo mode. But I've never had a camera (yet!) with oodles of AF points so maybe someone that owns one can chip in.

[NickySix]

man, the 5d would be perfect if it was 5 fps and had the weather coating that the 1d mkII has. but that would also raise its price hahah. my goal is to get one of these before my trip to china in 6 months, but im having alot of trouble deciding which hahah, i REALLY REALLY REALLY hate the 1.6 crop factor, but a full frame camera would mean i'd have to get some really nice glass. so maybe the 1.3 crop factor would work out? its hard to decide, especially because they are within about 200 dollars of each other hahah. but my main interests are in landscape and portrait. so i dont really need the 8.5 fps that the 1d mkII offers, but its weather coating is whats really pulling me to it. it would be so much more convenient for hikes and stuff. and then theirs the 12 vs 8 mp thing. GAH can't decide!!

[grego]

man, the 5d would be perfect if it was 5 fps and had the weather coating that the 1d mkII has. but that would also raise its price hahah. my goal is to get one of these before my trip to china in 6 months, but im having alot of trouble deciding which hahah, i REALLY REALLY REALLY hate the 1.6 crop factor, but a full frame camera would mean i'd have to get some really nice glass. so maybe the 1.3 crop factor would work out? its hard to decide, especially because they are within about 200 dollars of each other hahah. but my main interests are in landscape and portrait. so i dont really need the 8.5 fps that the 1d mkII offers, but its weather coating is whats really pulling me to it. it would be so much more convenient for hikes and stuff. and then theirs the 12 vs 8 mp thing. GAH can't decide!!

The 1Ds Mark II has your weather sealing and 4fps. :p

[craigsinclair]

OK, there are pros and cons (when comparing the two) with the 5D vs the 1DMkIIN. Since there is several hundred dollars difference in cost between the two I wonder if there is any "real world" advantage or disadvantage in the end product and/or handling other than the faster frames per second of the 1DMkIIN that would have a non-fast action photographer like me seriously consider buying it.

[Jesper]

Did you see the

-->> OFFICIAL 1D Mark II (or N) Vs 5D (or MKII) Thread <<-- (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=93594)

sticky thread in the forum?

[cosworth]

I'm still looking for the "1Ds vs either of those" stickies.. :P

[cdesperado]

Ask, and you shall receive.
1D MKII vs 1DMKIIn vs 1DsMKII vs 5D

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos1dmkii,canon_eos1dmkiin,canon_eos 1dsmkii,canon_eos5d&show=all

[RbrtPtikLeoSeny]

Quick question, does the 5D have better metering abilities than the other 1 series cameras as well as like, the 20D?

Thanks!

[Jesper]

Quick question, does the 5D have better metering abilities than the other 1 series cameras as well as like, the 20D?
The 5D has the spot meter that the 20D and all other cheaper models lack. You could have found out quickly if you looked up the specs...

[RbrtPtikLeoSeny]

The 5D has the spot meter that the 20D and all other cheaper models lack. You could have found out quickly if you looked up the specs...

I did, I simply like to verify.;)

[fatrat]

It's a shame you can make the 5d go down to 8MP from 12MP like the Nikon D2X can for sure it would match the speed of the 1D MkII at 8MP

[grego]

It's a shame you can make the 5d go down to 8MP from 12MP like the Nikon D2X can for sure it would match the speed of the 1D MkII at 8MP

And its a shame that the D2X has a crop factor of 1.5, even being one of its flagship digital bodies. Each has their downsides, and each has their advantages.

[RbrtPtikLeoSeny]

And its a shame that the D2X has a crop factor of 1.5, even being one of its flagship digital bodies. Each has their downsides, and each has their advantages.

D2X would rock for birding! Yee-haa, 12.4mp, 5fps, 1.5x with an 800mm f/5.6 sigma lens. Awwwww, perfection! Pixel density must be crazy on the D2X too. Great for cropping I'd guess.

[grego]

D2X would rock for birding! Yee-haa, 12.4mp, 5fps, 1.5x with an 800mm f/5.6 sigma lens. Awwwww, perfection! Pixel density must be crazy on the D2X too. Great for cropping I'd guess.

Yeah, for distance, the crop factor is nice. But if you like wide angles, eew. I think that's the good compromise the 1D series cameras take with the 1.3 crop. A little boost, but enough to get you a decent wide angle.

[LagunaPhoto]

The 5D is to keep the camera factory workers fed.

The next one up from the 20D, almost identical (unless you are shooting freeway billboards).

On the subject of the MK II I have had some servo focus tracking issues
( This is my favorite camera to date)

and now my shutter has fallen apart. Canon pointed out I have almost 100,000 actuations,
but they claim the camera will go to 200,000 before needing a new shutter.

I think Canon solved the focus tracking in the new MK II N
or they made it to keep the Canon factory workers fed.

[grego]

The 5D is to keep the camera factory workers fed.

The next one up from the 20D, almost identical (unless you are shooting freeway billboards).
The 5D has many more advantages over the 20D for a few different aims than just bigger, high res photos.

[fatrat]

And its a shame that the D2X has a crop factor of 1.5, even being one of its flagship digital bodies. Each has their downsides, and each has their advantages.
I think that this crop factor is the biggest load of over rated crap i have heard, as long as you can get a wide angle lens like the 10-22 on the 20D, i think the crop factor is a advantage, Esp if you are using good quality lenses

A quote from Phil Askey "Don't doubt Nikon's strategy of sticking to a cropped sensor. The advantage of only using the 'sweet spot' area of the lens is clear, full size 35 mm sensors may have long been the dream of the digital photographer but they do place much bigger demands on the lens."

[René Damkot]

Well, I like to shoot wide open to minimalise DoF. That's a reason I don't like the 1.6 CF body's. A larger sensor gives less DoF with same FoV....

[Matt_hil]

The 5D and 1D were made for two different markets. One is a speed deamon, the other is an amatuer camera (assuming professional means a built in battery grip).


what the hell?? Amatuer camera? are you taking the pi$$?? if it was a amatuer camera it would be a fully Auto camera, with a built in Flash....but its dosn't, its far from a point and shoot, learn settings later camera

is this less amatuer for you?? :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/SSurge/batterygrip04.jpg

the Canon 5d IMO, looks tobe a really nice piece of kit..I use a 20D as a back up which I Use a hell of a lot, for on location work... because its small, and compact, and 5D looks tobe will be a really nice step up for me, because its keeping the size (even thou is slightly bigger then the 20D but no overly big) with better extra's! like the full-frame (35 mm size):D

the only thing I got to complain about is the AF System, I dont like that fact they kept with the 9 Focus Point system, it would of been so much nicer if they put in a 45 focus point like the 1D/s MK II

all in all, I am still comtemplating toget one of not....I want to see some feed back from users before I dive in for it

[grego]

I think that this crop factor is the biggest load of over rated crap i have heard, as long as you can get a wide angle lens like the 10-22 on the 20D, i think the crop factor is a advantage, Esp if you are using good quality lenses



10-22 doesn't even work on 1 series bodies or 5D, or anything older than the 300D(D30, D60, 10D).

Most of the super wide lens don't go 2.8 though. If you have a 1.3 crop or full frame, you can use those old, wide 2.8 lens.

For Nikon for instance, which I used today, the 17-35 2.8 wasn't as wide as it could be. And I couldn't take advantage of it the way it could be used.

[RbrtPtikLeoSeny]

I think that this crop factor is the biggest load of over rated crap i have heard, as long as you can get a wide angle lens like the 10-22 on the 20D, i think the crop factor is a advantage, Esp if you are using good quality lenses

Funny, I belive the biggest load of crap would not having the ability to choose between the two. I think Canon has done a great job making sure they provide products to meet the needs of all photographers out there.

I think the real load of crap, is that canon didn't put a 100% view finder in the 5D!!!! I mean, common canon! A professional cam without a 100% VF?!?!:evil: If I had to cash to afford either one, that'd be the clincher for me. I'd head strait for the 1d MkII N.

That's the biggest thing that annoys me when shooting with my 20D, the extra bit of image that mystically shows up after I take the pic. -_-....

[grego]

More to add to my other comments. I used a D1H Thursday with the 17-35 2.8. with the 1.5 crop, I got a wide angle size of 25.5mm field of view. On a 1.3 crop that would have given me 22.1mm.

Since it was a conference with a live crowd, I couldn't do anything about arranging the seats. The D1H, even though its older, is meant for PJ's. It has a 1.5 crop. That's a disadvantage. And no, none of those super wide angles would work in the light. I had to use 2.8 at Nikon's highest ISO(1600, because it doesn't have 3200 like Canon) and force 1/60 with manual exposure.

So you want a disadvantage, I just gave you it in a photo journalistic situation. http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34487

[René Damkot]

I think the real load of crap, is that canon didn't put a 100% view finder in the 5D!!!! I mean, common canon! A professional cam without a 100% VF?!?!:evil: If I had to cash to afford either one, that'd be the clincher for me. I'd head strait for the 1d MkII N.

Isn't that a bit overreacting? :rolleyes: And by the way, my 1DMk2 also captures a bit more than what I see in the VF. So what...

[Kennymc]

I have the 10D and 20D and I'm seriously thinking of purchasing the 5D because of the full frame sensor and the spot metering... I don't need 45 point AF because I have used Canon cameras from 1976, remember the cameras like the F1 where you had to manually focus on the subject... You only have one true point of focus the rest is just to cove the DOF and is a field of acceptable sharpness... If you know your lenses and what DOF they produce at certain f/ stops, 1 AF point is enough... If I had the choice of a 5D or 1DMkII, I would of course choose the 1DMkII but seeing that I can't warrant that layout the 5D will do me nicely...

PS... I have no problem with either speed or quality from either the 10D or 20D I would just like my 17-40 f/4L to have the angle of view of a 17mm and not a 27mm...

[danphoto1]

I Agree I own a 20D and love it I sold my 10D because I also have 2 1D's and a 1DMKII I still would love to own a 5D evetually and I certainly can't justify a 1DSMkII. I can justfy my other amera's because I shoot mostly sports action . I love the fact of a 20mm prime being a 20mm not a 32mm prime. Each camera has it's ideal use for a particular type of shoot. It seems that the camera are becomeing as specialized as lenses.

[Visuals]

ENOUGH!!!!


I want a second body!!
Why?........I don't know why.....does it matter?:D
I've been looking at the 5D and the 1DMKII. The only reason I haven't gotten either is because I own an EF-S 60mm 2.8 Lens (among others). This is the one thing I hate about canon. Its almost like they're trying to split us in two. Why can lenses work on some bodies and not others.

I'm not sure if they are going to expand on the EF-S line of lenses then bring out a 20D upgrade.

Im confused. Maybe I should downgrade for a second body by getting an XT or something~

Just my two cents
Cheers~

[Kennymc]

Ordered the 5D today, will arrive before 5:30 tomorrow so I will have my FF sensor ans spot metering...YIPPPPPEEEEEEE!!!!

[I Simonius]

Ordered the 5D today, will arrive before 5:30 tomorrow so I will have my FF sensor ans spot metering...YIPPPPPEEEEEEE!!!!

curses - I just spent all my pocket money on a new G5 and LCD!
Oh well christmass is soon!

[duaflexIV]

ENOUGH!!!!


I want a second body!!
Why?........I don't know why.....does it matter?:D
I've been looking at the 5D and the 1DMKII. The only reason I haven't gotten either is because I own an EF-S 60mm 2.8 Lens (among others). This is the one thing I hate about canon. Its almost like they're trying to split us in two. Why can lenses work on some bodies and not others.

I'm not sure if they are going to expand on the EF-S line of lenses then bring out a 20D upgrade.

Im confused. Maybe I should downgrade for a second body by getting an XT or something~

Just my two cents
Cheers~

Why not another 20D?

If I could afford it, which I can't, I would get the 1D2N if for no other reason that it keeps my lenses closer to the focal lengths that I like than the 5D.

[wererabbit]

:D As a big Canon fan and a long time user of Canon cameras (film and digital), lenses, accessories, printers, scanners etc. it has been sometimes said that I do not earn money but rather "Canon tokens" :roll: to be spent on my favourite camera manufacturer.

Canon seem to have had deft touch in the digital SLR market place until recently IMHO. Then two things happened - the EOS 5D and their paper on full frame 35mm sensors which have caused me to think again about them. So the 5D - who needs it (note I did not say who wants it)? If you look on the camera sales web sites you will see something very remarkable - the camera (first wave stock) is in stock, immediately available, and being discounted:confused: ! When I bought my 300D and later my 20D this was surely not the case, nor was this true for the 1D Mk II. You had to join a waiting list to get one and pay full RRP for them.

Linked to the 5D is the paper declaring that the future is full frame 35mm sensors - we should all want them, we are told. Well I for one do not. I like the increased depth of field, I thrive on the 1.6x magnification factor, I use and enjoy the EF-S lenses (lighter and cheaper that 35mm equivalents) and I would like an upgrade path for the 8mp APS size chip in my 20D. The 5D is not such a camera. Had it offered 12mp on an APS sized chip with equivalent quality, I would have been severely temped to empty my piggy bank and buy one.

And it can be done (or at least some rivals are close) as witnessed by the Sony 10.4mp APS sized c-mos chip that is now out there in a certain SLR that is a serious rival to Canon. And Sony have just gone into business with Minolta to develop digital SLRs. Now a Minolta 7D "mark II" with that chip (or better) in it along with built in "anti shake" would really make me sit up and take notice.

So maybe the future upgrade path to my 20D lies with Sony/Minolta - one thing for sure I will not now be making planned additions to my current Canon gear until things become clearer and maybe my next Canon will be a Minolta?

Oh and I can hear the howls from Canon tribe members even as I submit this!

[RbrtPtikLeoSeny]

:D As a big Canon fan and a long time user of Canon cameras (film and digital), lenses, accessories, printers, scanners etc. it has been sometimes said that I do not earn money but rather "Canon tokens" :roll: to be spent on my favourite camera manufacturer.

Canon seem to have had deft touch in the digital SLR market place until recently IMHO. Then two things happened - the EOS 5D and their paper on full frame 35mm sensors which have caused me to think again about them. So the 5D - who needs it (note I did not say who wants it)? If you look on the camera sales web sites you will see something very remarkable - the camera (first wave stock) is in stock, immediately available, and being discounted:confused: ! When I bought my 300D and later my 20D this was surely not the case, nor was this true for the 1D Mk II. You had to join a waiting list to get one and pay full RRP for them.

Linked to the 5D is the paper declaring that the future is full frame 35mm sensors - we should all want them, we are told. Well I for one do not. I like the increased depth of field, I thrive on the 1.6x magnification factor, I use and enjoy the EF-S lenses (lighter and cheaper that 35mm equivalents) and I would like an upgrade path for the 8mp APS size chip in my 20D. The 5D is not such a camera. Had it offered 12mp on an APS sized chip with equivalent quality, I would have been severely temped to empty my piggy bank and buy one.

And it can be done (or at least some rivals are close) as witnessed by the Sony 10.4mp APS sized c-mos chip that is now out there in a certain SLR that is a serious rival to Canon. And Sony have just gone into business with Minolta to develop digital SLRs. Now a Minolta 7D "mark II" with that chip (or better) in it along with built in "anti shake" would really make me sit up and take notice.

So maybe the future upgrade path to my 20D lies with Sony/Minolta - one thing for sure I will not now be making planned additions to my current Canon gear until things become clearer and maybe my next Canon will be a Minolta?

Oh and I can hear the howls from Canon tribe members even as I submit this!

Well, full frame isn't for everyone I guess. I personally wouldn't be able to live with a ff cam as my only body, but as a back up it'd be a fun toy to play with. Land scapes, portraits, and abstract photography would be a few applications that I'd use it for. That and possibly really low light stuff since I've heard it has great noise reduction at high ISO's.

I also don't like the 1.6x crop factor for the most part. It's too long, FF is too short, I think 1.3x would be perfect for me. Unfortunately, the only 1.3x body available costs 3,900ish.

And minolta? Eeeehhhhhhhhhh, my friend has a minolta DSLR, and it doesn't impress me. Too many buttons all displaced everywhere. Their line of lenses also doesn't impress me, and going with all sigma lenses would kind of suck. Canon rocks because there are so many options. Tamron, Sigma, Tokina, Canon L and non L, and all that good stuff.

If I were to buy anything other than canon it'd probably be the Nikon D2X with Sigma 300-800mm f/5.6. With the 5fps at 12.4mp and 1.5x, it'd be the most killer birding set up. Absolutely godly! Other than that though, canon all the way!

:lol:

Oh, and welcome to the forum!!!

[morganb4]

i was much much more interested in the 5D..but now im considering the 1D mII N Alot..

Wont be till the end of the year, and if i get alot of work coming through :)

Hi, if you are a working professional then you should be leasing your gear, in which case its less of an issue. Ive just started out and have completely tooled up for a total of ~$200 a month. Thats not a lot of photography to cover your monthly lease payments.

A comment was made earlier about rain and for me that seals it, yes the 5D FF sensor is appealing but compared to not be able to pull of a congregation shot because its starting to spit is a hge problem.

If you are working, what failures will you be most sensitive to? To me, weather and environment proofing means more to me than a marginal increase in low light noise. My money is with the 1DMk II because you can 'take it into battle'. By the way have you considered the enourmous impact that 8.5fps will have on bracketing when he is putting that ring on her finger?

Ben
50 1.8
24-70L 2.8
70 200 L 2.8 IS
100-400 L IS
STE transmitter
420EX
580EX
2 x 300W/S flashes
wireless trigger
Softbox, beauty dish
Brollies
barndoors snoot gels
Lowepro bags
2 cats and a wife.

[DRAGUI99]

I really don't need the 8.5 fps & the 45 AF points, but DO like the 1.3X factor ! The best of both worlds for someone shooting portraits & wildlife IMHO... So bad that Canon didn't go for a 1.3X crop factor on a non-1 serie body !!! :rolleyes:

Do you think the 'need' of a 1.3x crop body could be enough to go for a 1D Mark II ?

[EMC 2]

DRAGUI99 -- you really have no need for the 1.3x when comparing to the 5D, as they have the exact same pixel pitch. Cropping your 5D image by 1.3x (1.25x actually) will give you the same pixels covering your subject. Now comparing to the 1.6x, however is a different story.

[malla1962]

No way would I trade my MK2 for the N as it is not that different,and apart from full frame and more pixels what has the 5d got to offer me.Nothing.:D

[rssfhs]

When is the 6D coming out?

[danphoto1]

I love my 1DMKII have no intention of getting a 5D unless I have a lot of extra cash to burn.

[WRC]

I had a 5d and now have a 1dMkIIN. I liked things about both, although I prefer the 1d mainly because I like the higher fps. I thought the image quality of the 5d was better though. A combination of both would be great.

On a side note on a recent trip with to Europe with some friends, one of my mates bought his Nikon film body along. By god the viewfinder was big and bright and so easy to manually focus with. I often struggle with to tell if I have something in focus with manual focus on my 1d. I wish Canon could improve the viewfinder sizes on their cameras.

[Belmondo]

I also have a 1D MkII, and felt no overwhelming need to upgrade to the N. When the 5D came out, I succumbed to the 'full-frame' siren, but chose to move all the way up to the 1Ds Mk II. Why? I'm not sure except that once you get accustomed to the heft and solid feel of a 1-series body, very little else is as satisfying. Maybe it's snobbery, but I prefer not to think so. Instead, I think it's a conscious decision to stick with the things you are familiar with and accustomed to.

FWIW, since getting the 1Ds Mk II, I haven't touched the 1D Mk II, but haven't even considered getting rid of it because it's a jewel of a camera, and one can never have too many jewels.

[Lord_Malone]

When is the 6D coming out?

I doubt the 5D successor will be called that.

BTT, I initially purchased the 5D. Love it. Traded it for a 1d mkIIn. Never looked back.

For reasons, check out my review of the 1d mkIIn at fredmiranda.com.

[neil_r]

Why? I'm not sure except that once you get accustomed to the heft and solid feel of a 1-series body, very little else is as satisfying. Maybe it's snobbery, but I prefer not to think so. Instead, I think it's a conscious decision to stick with the things you are familiar with and accustomed to.

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Tom makes a good point, When I made the first transition into digital photography I was using a Canon EOS 1V and prior to that an EOS 1N. I did not like the D60 possibly it is because I am getting old but all the controls were in the wrong place and it had this wheel thing on the top of it. When I bought the 1D MkII it was like going back to something I was fully familiar with and a lot of what I did went back to being instinctive.

[Smooth1]

I'm still trying to make my way to the 1D Mark II N

[rssfhs]

I doubt the 5D successor will be called that.

Wanna bet? :-D

[Lord_Malone]

Revived!

[Belmondo]

Dormant for three months.....

Who's gotten series-1 bodies recently (I know of one moderator who recently got a 1Ds Mk2)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

didn't sheldon just pick one up recently? 1DsMkII, that is.

I hate that I'm wandering ever closer to "N" territory. :| I'm getting frightfully close.

[grego]

Dormant for three months.....

Who's gotten series-1 bodies recently (I know of one moderator who recently got a 1Ds Mk2)


I did(1DMKII) a week ago!! Yay!!


didn't sheldon just pick one up recently? 1DsMkII, that is.

I hate that I'm wandering ever closer to "N" territory. :| I'm getting frightfully close.

So the 1DMKII was kinda not your cup of tea and it was heavy, but an N is okay? I'm confused. Spend the money on more glass!! 200 1.8 is right up your alley!!

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well, it's a confusing subject. When I got the 1DMkII, I felt like it was in some ways a step backwards from my 30D. Back to the small screen, no picture styles (which I happen to like), and the other things the MKII is missing that the N has. With the N, I'll feel like I've got a juiced up 5D, minus the FF. It's got the little "extras" I want. Plus, now I'm wishing I had the grip for my 5D. It just kinda makes sense. It's more or less the same money, and it's basically the "best of both".

Plus...I just want one. :eek:

[grego]

I wouldn't call "just wanting one" a good reason, but i can see viable reasons for the other stuff. But from the little I know without reading more and little experience I have, you have some settings that are like picture styles already in there.

Good luck with the camera, but its still going to be heavy to lug around.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Oh I know it. Hey, look on the bright side. I've still got a 20D. ;-)

[grego]

Oh I know it. Hey, look on the bright side. I've still got a 20D. ;-)

Just get the 30D. Then you have for the price of an MKIIn, a full frame and a fast action camera. :) I still love my 30D.

[Belmondo]

Just get the 30D. Then you have for the price of an MKIIn, a full frame and a fast action camera. :) I still love my 30D.

Not quite full frame. 1.3X on the 1D Mk1 and Mk 2n. The 1Ds is the full-frame 1-series body.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I think you may have misread that, Tom. He's saying I should keep my 5D and upgrade my 20D to the 30D.

[Belmondo]

I think you may have misread that, Tom. He's saying I should keep my 5D and upgrade my 20D to the 30D.

You're right. My bad.

I can claim temporary insanity. I just bought a car, and I'm distracted, to say the least.

[Belmondo]

Kevin just got a 1Ds Mk2. We probably won't be hearing from him anytime soon, so we might as well talk about cars.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Wow..if I remember correctly, that was quite the step up from what he had. Maybe I've got him mistaken for another guy. You know, I considered stepping up to the 1DsMkII, and then I realized that it just wasn't $4k in upgrades over the 5D, imo. Granted, I can get a used one for about $5k, but still. I'm leaning 1DMKIIN way, and I'm about to fall over.

[braduardo]

To go more off-topic...

That is just the perfect avatar for a Senior Moderator. Gives me a chuckle everytime I see it.

[Belmondo]

To go more off-topic...

That is just the perfect avatar for a Senior Moderator. Gives me a chuckle everytime I see it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:Thanks! I'll probably keep this one for a while. At least as long as I'm young and beautiful (or a moderator).:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[braduardo]

Makes me want to NOT post an inappropriate thread, that's for sure!

[Papaw]

I think the last several post sum up the whole point, People seek their own liking wheather it be a camera, car or any other enjoyable commodity. They will be proud (as they should) of their research, final decision and purchase and defend it till the end. I am sure all of the cameras mentioned are great and I feel a good photographer could make prize winning shots with any of them. I think it's a matter of factoring in the cost of each in comparision to what each adds to your type shooting. This would give you more of a "personal value" assigned to each of the cameras.
I have tried all mentioned above and for NOW, my 30D is the best value for Me for what I use a camera for now. This is why I take my asprin a day and don't smoke so I might live long enough to - some day, feel that a higher priced Canon would be a better personal value for me than what I have now.

[Lord_Malone]

Makes me want to NOT post an inappropriate thread, that's for sure!

Are you kidding me? belmondo's a softie.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I know it...just look at that avatar. Looks soft. :lol: