Angry at Amazon.com!!! Best Place to Sale Camera Gear?

[MG30D]

I recently sold my 350D through Amazon...and was pleased with the results. In a matter of a few weeks I sold the 350D and for a little more then I had originally purchased it a few years back. :)

So, I was planning on putting my 50D up for sale, via Amazon, to get a 60D by Christmas time.

However I just stumbled on this story today: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/10/consumers-boycott-amazon-pedophile-guide/?test=latestnews

I am so pissed off at Amazon...I can't put it into words without risking being banned from POTN for such fowl language >:(

As a result, I will never buy anything from Amazon.com ever again.

Personally, I always preferred going through B&H for photo-gear...but Amazon seemed to have an easy excellent storefront for putting items up for sale.

So here's the problem:
- I want to Sale my Refurbished (and hardly used) 50D for nearly what I purchased it, via Canon's loyalty program.
- So, where else can I sale my 50D, without taking a major loss (like I would here at POTN where we are all tech/photo-savvy & know current used market prices.

And advice would be helpful.

[JoeyBowman]

I don't really understand why people will boycott them, until now I had not even heard about it. I will still look at Amazon in the future when searching for select pieces of camera equipment.

If you were happy with the transaction before, why not again? Taking your business else where will not change anything at Amazon and will make you take less than what you may be able to get for your camera.

Contact Adorama and see what they will take for it, or what their trade in value would be for the 50D?

[MG30D]

I don't really understand why people will boycott them, until now I had not even heard about it. I will still look at Amazon in the future when searching for select pieces of camera equipment.

If you were happy with the transaction before, why not again? Taking your business else where will not change anything at Amazon and will make you take less than what you may be able to get for your camera.

Contact Adorama and see what they will take for it, or what their trade in value would be for the 50D?

Um, let's see...Amazon has for sale a book on how Adults can rape and abuse children, and then not get caught and/or get liter sentences....I mean, maybe the CEO of Amazon likes to sign a deal with the devil for $5 a pop, but I have a little more dignity and principles then to support a company that not only sales such S***, but defends it.

They're not getting my money.


EDIT: Just closed my Amazon.com account permanently...they can go to hell.

B&H...you just earned an even more loyal customer, good company run by good people.

At least I can lay my head down at night knowing I didn't contribute to the rape of a child, absolutely shameful Amazon, even if I do have to sale my 50D at bit of a lost. :(

A child's life is more important then a few bucks.

But, any advice on places to sale the 50D would still be appreciated.

[HelenOster]

But, any advice on places to sale the 50D would still be appreciated.

I'm happy to put you in contact with our used department if you drop me an email:HelenO@adorama.com

[Overread]

How much control does amazon impose over its retailers?
Remember amazon isn't one company - but a central company with (in the US) a massive number of linked independent retailers. I suspect this title is being sold by one of those retailers and not amazon itself and that whilst amazon might review products on sale; they might only do so on a trial basis before allowing the independent retailer free licence to conduct their own business.

Thus something like this can slip through the net - much as it could on say Ebay. I'm sure once Amazon have more than a day to resolve the issue it will be stopped (is it even still for sale now?). Myself I'd hardly consider it a reason to stop dealing with them

[Picture North Carolina]

I understand what you are saying. But as stated above, amazon is not a company but rather a group of vendors. If you were boycotting them based on moral grounds, you should have started a long time ago. For example, if you search for dildos you will find 2500 products listed:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dildos&x=0&y=0

Then there's the classic "Heather Has Two Mommies":

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_23?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=heather+has+two+mommies&sprefix=heather+has+two+mommies

or how about nambla books:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nambla&x=0&y=0

And on and on and on. Which means that your previous purchases and sales were made while amazon was providing materials that you also may have found to be morally objectionable.

[e02937]

It goes without saying, the book is disgusting.

But are people really so paranoid about a book? What's the fear here? Someone will read the book and become a pedophile? Or that somehow a pedophile will read the book and become a worse pedophile (is there such thing?) Are people so fearful that they use that fear to justify censorship?

There's a lot of written stuff I wouldn't read and certainly don't agree with. Add this to the list.

Needless to say, it's your right to boycott them if you want to.

[digirebelva]

It goes without saying, the book is disgusting.

But are people really so paranoid about a book? What's the fear here? Someone will read the book and become a pedophile? Or that somehow a pedophile will read the book and become a worse pedophile (is there such thing?) Are people so fearful that they use that fear to justify censorship?

There's a lot of written stuff I wouldn't read and certainly don't agree with. Add this to the list.

Needless to say, it's your right to boycott them if you want to.

they have already pulled the book
This is what bothers me most about it though

"Amazon initially defended (http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-its-ok-to-write-books-about-having-sex-with-kids-but-porn-is-out-of-bounds-2010-11) its decision to sell the book, stating that it "believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable"...
WHAT THE BOOK ADVOCATES IS AGAINST THE LAW...what more needs to be said..seriously...

[Picture North Carolina]

they have already pulled the book
This is what bothers me most about it though

"Amazon initially defended (http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-its-ok-to-write-books-about-having-sex-with-kids-but-porn-is-out-of-bounds-2010-11) its decision to sell the book, stating that it "believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable"...
WHAT THE BOOK ADVOCATES IS AGAINST THE LAW...what more needs to be said..seriously...

Damn! Well, there go my chances of getting a book on how to rob banks and create atomic bombs!

(Notice to the NSA: That was a joke, you morons. I know your little computers are out there scanning the web, but read it in context. Repeat, that was a joke!)

[Overread]

Chances are that's a default "auto" reply given out for most challenges to things that Amazon sells - I'm sure people will send them complaints about selling things from the dildos to Harry Potter books citing all sorts of moral and other arguments.

Then when someone at Amazon actually checked the content of the book they decided against allowing its sale (and hopefully have out which ever company that put it up for sale under close watch or put them out of their system)

[digirebelva]

Chances are that's a default "auto" reply given out for most challenges to things that Amazon sells - I'm sure people will send them complaints about selling things from the dildos to Harry Potter books citing all sorts of moral and other arguments.

Then when someone at Amazon actually checked the content of the book they decided against allowing its sale (and hopefully have out which ever company that put it up for sale under close watch or put them out of their system)

Actually no its not an automated response, they actually pulled it, put it back and pulled it again..and it goes against Amazons own policy of selling things that promote illegal activity....

[digirebelva]

Damn! Well, there go my chances of getting a book on how to rob banks and create atomic bombs!

(Notice to the NSA: That was a joke, you morons. I know your little computers are out there scanning the web, but read it in context. Repeat, that was a joke!)

To late, they will be at your door within the hour...see you in about 6 or more years...:D

[MG30D]

It goes without saying, the book is disgusting.

But are people really so paranoid about a book? What's the fear here? Someone will read the book and become a pedophile? Or that somehow a pedophile will read the book and become a worse pedophile (is there such thing?) Are people so fearful that they use that fear to justify censorship?

There's a lot of written stuff I wouldn't read and certainly don't agree with. Add this to the list.

Needless to say, it's your right to boycott them if you want to.

Let's see people buy photography books to learn about exposure, how to use their cameras, etc...so according to your logic:

But are people really so paranoid about a book? What's the fear here? Someone will read the book and become a become a photographer? Or that somehow a photographer will read the book and become a better photographer.

No...people buy photography books to become worse photographers! Didn't you know that? :lol:

"Are people so fearful that they use that fear to justify censorship?"

The cry of censorship is one of the biggest loads of bull**** used in our society today.

For one, go yell fire in crowded theater, or go to the streets of DC in front of the white house and scream at the top of your lungs your going to physically harm a political figure...then tell me about your so called censorship...their are no absolutes

With absolute capitalism comes a monopoly which destroys capitalism...thus there must be some laws to preserve capitalism.

With absolute freedom comes anarchy, which destroys freedom, thus their must be some government & law to achieve maximum freedom.

Thus, their are no absolutes.

This is why are 1st amendment is not without exception.

I can not pull a man out of his house and physically murder him in the streets, claiming it was some expression of art & speech under the 1st amendment...why: because I would have infringed upon his liberty & freedom (his life).

However the above is quite irrelevant in the Amazon case.

Amazon is not contracted & held to the 1st amendment...only the US government is.

Amazon is a private organization.

For instance: If amazon wishes to only sale politically left-wing books...they can.

And, if Amazon wishes to only sale politically right-wing books...they can as well.

It's their right as a private organization to sale what they wish (if it's legal)...but also live by the consequences of those actions as well.

The objection of the book is not a moral issue per-say....the book promotes illegal activity: How to molest and rape children, and get away with it or get in less trouble

Nothings illegal about "Heather Has Two Mommies"...homosexuality is not illegal, last I checked.

Molesting children is illegal!

This is why people object to the book.

So here is the problem:

1. Amazon sales the book
- they are a big company...maybe they did know, it's self-published

2. Customers & News organizations bring the book to Amazons attention
- Now they know

3. Customers grow angry, but Amazon stays silent, keeping the book online

4. Amazon come out with a statement claiming they don't censor content
- Bullcrap...Amazon censors stuff all the time, e.g. porn

5. Customers Boycott & Call Amazon
- Workers at Amazon verbally tell customers, via the phone, that Amazon wont get rid of the book, due to "censorship"

6. Boycotts & news grow
- Feeling the financial and media cost, Amazon closes the page for the book after sailing hundreds of copies

7. Amazon still sales Authors books & doesn't explain their hypocrisy...i.e. wont get ride of book due to "censorship", but censors legal material (e.g. porn) all the time.

Some more info on the situation:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/11/amazon-com-title-defending-pedophilia-sparks-boycott-call/?iref=allsearch

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/11/video-outrage-over-pedophilia-book/?iref=allsearch

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4414476/amazon-pulls-pedophile-book?playlist_id=86909

I'm happy to put you in contact with our used department if you drop me an email:HelenO@adorama.com

Thanks....I'll look into Adorama

My issues:

- Craigslist = small audience being local, but risk of flaky people

- eBay = cost of sale (even if it dose not sale) & very competitive

- B&H, Adorama, KEH = easy, but likely to sale at a loss...I'll have to check

- POTN = Paypall & lowball price

Any other options? :)

[Jaymz]

Yet amazon sells books on dog fighting, which is illegal in most (maybe all) US states.

The Dog Pit - Or, How To Select, Breed, Train And Manage Fighting Dogs, With Points As To Their Care In Health And Disease (http://www.amazon.com/Dog-Pit-Fighting-Disease-History/dp/1846644488/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289536875&sr=1-2)

I believe that Amazon removing the book was due to public outcry and not due to the book being about illegal activity.

[CAL Imagery]

Don't buy cameras: They take pictures of child rape. Don't use a computer: They're used to meet young children.

[MG30D]

Don't buy cameras: They take pictures of child rape. Don't use a computer: They're used to meet young children.
:rolleyes: Wow, really...that's the stupidest comment I've ever heard...sorry I don't want to get into a debate, but your lack of logic is obscene.

This is what your saying, in the context of the amazon controversy,....

- Don't buy books: They can be written about objectionable material. Don't use a paper: They're used to write objectionable books.

^Only a schmuck would find that logical

Now using your camera analogy...this is the amazon case:

- Canon announces a new marketing scheme. They create a new kit marketed towards pedophiles. The kit includes a T2i and guide book on how to shoot and video child porn.
Consumers and Media sources object, and complain and question Canon. Canon defends the kit, and produces more kits. Canon claims it's censorship not to market to all forms of photography.
However, in the past Canon has been known to deny saleing their cameras to the adult film industry.

So, who is a fault, the cameras or Canon....gee I wonder:rolleyes:

According to your statement...bits of plastic & circuit boards, that makes perfect sense ;)

Do you work at amazon?

[FlyingPhotog]

Free Speech is a Stone Cold B*tch Ain't It?

[MG30D]

Free Speech is a Stone Cold B*tch Ain't It?
It can be...but most people who are upset with amazon are mad about amazon "censoring" material constantly (that is legal), but outright defending this book.

The constitution applies to the US government...not private organizations.

[wdwpsu]

Well, they pulled it.

Thing I don't understand in this case is why more people aren't mad at the authoer. Seems the big mean guy was Amazon alone. They didn't write the book. They just, as they do with every other book, allow it to be sold on their site.

[MG30D]

I agree to a point...the author does deserve at the very least more anger towards him.

Had Amazon simply sold the book, and immediately pulled it when it was brought to their attention...things would be different.

But they defended the book. And did not pull it till there was boycotts & networks, like CNN & FOX, covered the story...pretty shallow, to say the least.

Unfortunately, I may have to start a new thread on advice on best places to sale gear, since the thread has moved in this direction :lol:

But whatever, it's fine. Honestly, the organizations I mentioned earlier may be the only good outlets, since I haven't received much feedback on that matter.

[Depth]

I don't see what the big deal is.

[MG30D]

I don't see what the big deal is.
Sad.

I guess you should apply for a job to amazon.com

[FlyingPhotog]

It can be...but most people who are upset with amazon are mad about amazon "censoring" material constantly (that is legal), but outright defending this book.

The constitution applies to the US government...not private organizations.

It applies to private citizens who run private companies...

[MG30D]

It applies to private citizens who run private companies...

But Amazon doesn't have to sale everything on earth because it may be protected under the constitution.

They defended it, by saying they don't believe in censorship...but as pointed out on CNN, that's bull they censor items all the time.

At the end of the day the first amendment is irrelevant...company's can be as biased as they wish, and ban the sale of anything they wish (if not illegal).

[FlyingPhotog]

But Amazon doesn't have to sale everything on earth because it may be protected under the constitution.

They defended it, by saying they don't believe in censorship...but as pointed out on CNN, that's bull they censor items all the time.

I don't equate their choice of what they carry with censorship...

They're free to do as they please because ultimately, the only people Amazon management have to answer to is Amazon stock holders.

If folks wish to boycott Amazon, they're completely free to do that as well. It's called capitalism.

Personally, I'm much more concerned with the Texas Department of Education and what they consider appropriate or not. They hold far more sway over book sales in many circles than Amazon could ever dream of.

[MG30D]

I don't equate their choice of what they carry with censorship...

They're free to do as they please because ultimately, the only people Amazon management have to answer to is Amazon stock holders.

If folks wish to boycott Amazon, they're completely free to do that as well. It's called capitalism.

Personally, I'm much more concerned with the Texas Department of Education and what they consider appropriate or not. They hold far more sway over book sales in many circles than Amazon could ever dream of.

I don't live in Texas.

And who says people have one track minds.

If your upset with the Texas department of education...some how you can't be upset with Amazon too?

[FlyingPhotog]

I don't live in texas

Not up to speed are we...?

Because of their sheer size, the Texas Department of Education sets the bar for what textbooks many school systems all over the US use and what they will or will not contain.

First page of Google hits: LINK (http://www.google.com/search?q=texas+schoolbooks&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADFA_en#hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&nfpr=1&&sa=X&ei=4vvcTLqZIoS2sAO75_TLCg&ved=0CBoQBSgA&q=texas+school+books&spell=1&fp=bd8660295456c07e)

[MG30D]

Not up to speed are we...?

Because of their sheer size, the Texas Department of Education sets the bar for what textbooks many school systems all over the US use and what they will or will not contain.

First page of Google hits: LINK (http://www.google.com/search?q=texas+schoolbooks&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADFA_en#hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADFA_en&nfpr=1&&sa=X&ei=4vvcTLqZIoS2sAO75_TLCg&ved=0CBoQBSgA&q=texas+school+books&spell=1&fp=bd8660295456c07e)

O yeah, I remember know. Sorry forgot about that.

Personally I don't even like their being a department of education anyways...but that's beside the point.

Some how if an organization is doing something wrong, people should be like O well their is nothing I can do, but then just focus on government stuff.

They're two different issues not effecting either or.

[FlyingPhotog]

O yeah, I remember know. Sorry forgot about that.

Personally I don't even like their being a department of education anyways...but that's beside the point.

Some how if an organization is doing something wrong, people should be like O well that nothing I can do, but then just focus on government stuff.

There two different issues not effecting either or.

At the risk of going way off target, this most recent election kind of proves you wrong.

People were unhappy with something and they affected great change.

As Florynce Kennedy said: "Don't Agonize, Organize!!"

[MG30D]

At the risk of going way off target, this most recent election kind of proves you wrong.

People were unhappy with something and they affected great change.

As Florynce Kennedy said: "Don't Agonize, Organize!!"

huh, what the heck does the republicans securing the house have anything to do with the amazon boycott???

[Calicajun]

Quote from Amazon "That doesn't mean Amazon should be prohibited from selling it, counters Christopher Finan, president of the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression. He said that Amazon has the right under the First Amendment to sell any book that is not child pornography or legally obscene."

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Good to see people standing up for something they believe in and making a difference.

[Raylon]

Freak out much about little things? From the way you make it sound it's the worst thing that has ever happened in your life. I suggest going to a local book store and see some of the completely strange and morally wrong books you can find. I bet there would be quite a few. Actually go to your local library, I bet there are a lot there too. I guess they should quit selling Bibles too, because holy cow there is a lot of bad crap in there people should never have to read.

[FlyingPhotog]

huh, what the heck does the republicans securing the house have anything to do with the amazon boycott???

It makes the point that if enough people feel strongly about something and participate en masse, you get a critical mass and changes happen.

Doesn't matter if it's government, business, society or POTN! ;)

[MG30D]

It makes the point that if enough people feel strongly about something and participate en masse, you get a critical mass and changes happen.

Doesn't matter if it's government, business, society or POTN! ;)

True...I agree, kind why I'm boycotting Amazon. And, not being like who care I can't change anything like some people here. ;)

Freak out much about little things? From the way you make it sound it's the worst thing that has ever happened in your life. I suggest going to a local book store and see some of the completely strange and morally wrong books you can find. I bet there would be quite a few. Actually go to your local library, I bet there are a lot there too. I guess they should quit selling Bibles too, because holy cow there is a lot of bad crap in there people should never have to read.

Wow, you freak out much???

Yes the Bible is equivalent to a how to guide on Adults ****ing young children.

Are you serious?

Quote from Amazon "That doesn't mean Amazon should be prohibited from selling it, counters Christopher Finan, president of the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression. He said that Amazon has the right under the First Amendment to sell any book that is not child pornography or legally obscene."

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Good to see people standing up for something they believe in and making a difference.

Exactly.

Some people need to learn how to read & learn some logic...what the heck do they teach in school today?

[Raylon]

Wow, you freak out much???

Yes the Bible is equivalent to how to guide on ****ing young children.

I didn't freak out at all. You are. So you cancelled your Amazon account and told them to burn in hell. Good for you.
But if a company can't sell a book without a bunch of whiny babies complaining about it, what can they do? People just need to chill out. Don't like something? Ignore it. You are an adult. People who want that kind of nasty information are going to find it however they need to, regardless of whether Amazon has it or not.

For all we know Amazon was tracking these sales and handing it over to the proper authorities...like that To Catch A Predator show and the police...

[FlyingPhotog]

For all we know Amazon was tracking these sales and handing it over to the proper authorities...like that To Catch A Predator show and the police...

Amazon Returns and Refunds (http://www.m.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=901888)

(Just in case...)

[Raylon]

Amazon Returns and Refunds (http://www.m.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=901888)

(Just in case...)

Oh sure they say they aren't going to sell away your info, just like Facebook says that...:D

And if the police had a warrant to get sale records, I'm sure Amazon would have to turn them over in a heartbeat.

EDIT: Quote from privacy policy "We release account and other personal information when we believe release is appropriate to comply with the law."

[MG30D]

I didn't freak out at all. You are. So you cancelled your Amazon account and told them to burn in hell. Good for you.
But if a company can't sell a book without a bunch of whiny babies complaining about it, what can they do? People just need to chill out. Don't like something? Ignore it. You are an adult. People who want that kind of nasty information are going to find it however they need to, regardless of whether Amazon has it or not.

For all we know Amazon was tracking these sales and handing it over to the proper authorities...like that To Catch A Predator show and the police...

I hope you don't vote in elections...because according to your argument, that would be hypocritical.

We should all live in a society were **** just randomly happens. Don't like something...don't speak out. 1st amendment for saling pedophilia guide books, but not opinions on corporations....no wonder we had an economic meltdown on wall-street. Srew children...screw the people...screw the nation, all for a buck. sad.

"For all we know Amazon was tracking these sales and handing it over to the proper authorities...like that To Catch A Predator show and the police..." - instead of making stuff up, read & turn on the news for a minute

[Raylon]

I hope you don't vote in elections...because according to your argument, that would be hypocritical.


I don't.


We should all live in a society were **** just randomly happens.


We do.


instead of making stuff up, read & turn on the news for a minute

Not sure what I should be looking for. Care to elaborate?

[MG30D]

I don't.

good :)

[landth]

Funniest thread ever.......

[irispatch]

Think of it this way the feds can obtain the purchase records for the book and collect the creeps who bought it and the #!$!#$!#$ author.

[llareggub]

Multinational Corporation in reprehensible moral judgement shocker???? I wonder if the OP has a long list of organisations that will not be benefiting from their custom or are the actions of Nike, Coca Cola, Nestle, Monsanto, Boehringer Ingelheim, Pfizer (this list could go on and on) perfectly acceptable????

As for a comment expecting a responder to read the news whilst linking to the Foxnews website is one of the most ammusing things I have seen in a while.

[CAL Imagery]

This whole thread gets one giant face palm.

[sniper_md]

I'm happy to put you in contact with our used department if you drop me an email:HelenO@adorama.com
be prepared to receive 50-60% market value offer though

[Becen]

Although it's not nice to see such a book for sale anywhere, I'll still choose Amazon because many online retailers use Amazon to sell and they are extremely good at doing so through Amazon's platform :)

[egordon99]

But Amazon doesn't have to sale everything on earth because it may be protected under the constitution.


The correct form of the word is "sell"

"But Amazon doesn't have to sell everything...."

That is all...

[iN5P1R3]

Oh boy. I can't believe this book has spread to POTN! If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. The sensationalists have given this dude millions of dollars worth of free advertising. The same thing happened with the Jersey Shore show.

[Overread]

Oh boy. I can't believe this book has spread to POTN! If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. The sensationalists have given this dude millions of dollars worth of free advertising. The same thing happened with the Jersey Shore show.

Considering the nature of the content and the intended targeted audience of the book I don't think the author will be thanking anyone for this increased publicity.

[CAL Imagery]

Considering the nature of the content and the intended targeted audience of the book I don't think the author will be thanking anyone for this increased publicity.
There's no such thing as bad publicity.

[MG30D]

I wonder if the OP has a long list of organisations that will not be benefiting from their custom or are the actions of Nike, Coca Cola, Nestle, Monsanto, Boehringer Ingelheim, Pfizer (this list could go on and on) perfectly acceptable?

What’s your point?

I must be for every corporation in the world or against?

You don’t know what organizations & business I support.

Kind of making an ass of you and me assuming my personal, political, and moral beliefs.


As for a comment expecting a responder to read the news whilst linking to the Fox news website is one of the most amusing things I have seen in a while.

I made reference to both CNN and Fox…two of the largest News organizations in the US, whom are both covering the story. Not sure what’s funny about that.

Am I missing something?

Does Fox support Pedophilia???

Forgive my assumption…but since you ignored my two links to CNN, I’m assuming you don’t like Fox.

Therefore, you likely don’t watch Fox, or support others watching Fox news……is that not a form of boycott?

Kind of hypocritical are we not ;)


Oh boy. I can't believe this book has spread to POTN! If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple.

All I did was make a thread stating quite plainly that I did not wish to do further business with Amazon.com, and the reason why, and that I wanted to know of other retailers that I could use to sale my 50D, using a similar method as Amazon’s marketplace…that’s all.

However, while some people have been helpful and supporting my actions…a handful of individuals with apparently nothing better to do felt compelled for who knows what to berate and belittle me and my reason to not shop or do business with Amazon anymore. So, unfortunately I’ve felt it necessary to respond to a few comments.

But I guess shame on me. Forgive me. As an individual that has had a family friend murdered by a rapist, and known someone that has made sacrifices to have a career in fighting human trafficking….God forbid I chose not to support a corporation that sells and defends the actions of adults raping young children, via pedophilia.

I guess I’m the “evil one”

Personally, I’d be more shocked by the few individuals here on POTN, whom that have derailed the topic, & mocked my personal decision to join thousands upon thousands of people boycotting Amazon.com on this serious matter. Especially, concerning the fact that it is common knowledge even criminals in our prisons have an extreme hatred to pedophiles…so welcome to the club of small minority of defendants. Furthermore, as photographers we are essentially artist. As artist we express ourselves. So God forbid artist express personal opinions on societal issues such as pedophilia and the exploitation of children in our society. If that's a problem for those of you...I recommend showing some consistency and objecting to photographers like Zack Arias supporting fellow artist like Brandon McCormick, as seen here on zack's blog: http://www.zarias.com/whitestone-motion-pictures-the-candy-shop/

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Not true, don’t become a publicist :lol:

When you (like the author) have thousands of people posting your home address online and making physical threats, and your book is banned…that’s not good publicity.

[CAL Imagery]

I call that free marketing. That author was never going to get your money but is going to get many more people's money from this marketing. Whether or not it was planned, the spread of the book's existence is sure helpful.

[Overread]

Yes free marketing - to a market segment that would rather you were either locked up or dead - and to market segments who will most likely try to ensure that at least one of the two options occurs.

[iN5P1R3]

What’s your point?
All I did was make a thread stating quite plainly that I did not wish to do further business with Amazon.com, and the reason why, and that I wanted to know of other retailers that I could use to sale my 50D, using a similar method as Amazon’s marketplace…that’s all.

However, while some people have been helpful and supporting my actions…a handful of individuals with apparently nothing better to do felt compelled for who knows what to berate and belittle me and my reason to not shop or do business with Amazon anymore. So, unfortunately I’ve felt it necessary to respond to a few comments.

But I guess shame on me. Forgive me. As an individual that has had a family friend murdered by a rapist, and known someone that has made sacrifices to have a career in fighting human trafficking….God forbid I chose not to support a corporation that sells and defends the actions of adults raping young children, via pedophilia.

I guess I’m the “evil one”

Personally, I’d be more shocked by the few individuals here on POTN, whom that have derailed the topic, & mocked my personal decision to join thousands upon thousands of people boycotting Amazon.com on this serious matter. Especially, concerning the fact that it is common knowledge even criminals in our prisons have an extreme hatred to pedophiles…so welcome to the club of small minority of defendants. Furthermore, as photographers we are essentially artist. As artist we express ourselves. So God forbid artist express personal opinions on societal issues such as pedophilia and the exploitation of children in our society. If that's a problem for those of you...I recommend showing some consistency and objecting to photographers like Zack Arias supporting fellow artist like Brandon McCormick, as seen here on zack's blog: http://www.zarias.com/whitestone-motion-pictures-the-candy-shop/

Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Why would I object to a video highlighting the dangers of sexual predators? Just because I'm supporting an author's right to free speech doesn't mean I think pedophilia is right. I think books on murder, are protected under free speech, but does that mean I approve of murder? Absolutely not.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect that. My original post was not directed at you (I guess I should said "people" not "you", eh?) and if you thought it was, then I sincerely apologize.

The book may be objectionable to some, but so are books on murder, drug-making, etc. However, we must not let the opinion/emotionalism of the majority take away the rights of the minority, which in this case, is freedom of speech.

I can go on forever about this, but I'd rather not offend anyone else. I'm just here to learn about more photography.

[MG30D]

Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Why would I object to a video highlighting the dangers of sexual predators? Just because I'm supporting an author's right to free speech doesn't mean I think pedophilia is right. I think books on murder, are protected under free speech, but does that mean I approve of murder? Absolutely not.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect that. My original post was not directed at you (I guess I should said "people" not "you", eh?) and if you thought it was, then I sincerely apologize.

The book may be objectionable to some, but so are books on murder, drug-making, etc. However, we must not let the opinion/emotionalism of the majority take away the rights of the minority, which in this case, is freedom of speech.

I can go on forever about this, but I'd rather not offend anyone else. I'm just here to learn about more photography.


When did I once attack the author’s freedom to write such a book…..where?

Please show me the quote?

You obviously have never owned a business or established a corporation, have you?

Let me enlighten your stupidity, before you perverse the thinking of some poor reader. ;)

Under the state (i.e. the government), a corporation is more or less a private individual.

That is why if one’s corporation is sued….the people running the corporation are protected.

Therefore, think of amazon.com as Person B….and I the consumer is Person A.

I, person A, have the right to befriend and do business with whom ever I wish.

I know a man in my city, Person B, that goes around defending and promoting pedophilia.

Is person A obligated, under the first amendment, to do befriend or do business with Person B….of course not.

As an individual, Amazon can sell what ever they wish (assuming it’s legal).

Therefore, theoretically, Amazon could exclusively sell book on pedophilia (assuming it’s legal), if they wished.

However, under the 1st amendment, I have the right to speak-out, protest, and boycott Amazon for conducting such business practices.

Also, if you would bother reading this thread and the news stories…you would see that Amazon has been known to not uphold the 1st amendment concerning the sell of legal items. Amazon has regularly banned the sell of products and items protected by the 1st amendment. Thus, Amazon’s defense of the book was a lie.

What I find incredibly interesting is that you feel compelled to not answer my question, but derail the thread by attacking my 1st amendment right to boycott and speak-out against Amazon ( Oh boy. I can't believe this book has spread to POTN! If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's that simple. , I’m included in those people that “don’t like it”, am I not?), despite claiming "I'm just here to learn about more photography"…but defend a corporation (an individual that is not beholding to give equal perspective, simply because something may be protected under the constitution) that you somehow disturbingly equate the sell of such a book as effecting freedom of speech.

...we must not let the opinion/emotionalism of the majority take away the rights of the minority, which in this case, is freedom of speech.
Thus according to you:

- I threaten freedom of speech by not conducting business with certain individuals?

- Is my freedom of speech not equal to that of other individuals?

- Who are you to attack my freedom of speech? But defend another individuals?

- Where did I attack the author's freedom of speech? I simply used my freedom of speech to speak out against an individual that supported the views of the author...not the freedom to express such views.

- What have I said throughout this thread that even remotely comes close to violating anything in the US constitution? And to which rights of the so called "minority" have I infringed? A corporation profiting from pedophilia is a right? My decision to not buy goods from Amazon threatens free speech? I hope you're joking.

I think books on murder, are protected under free speech…

Key word "I think".

^This just goes to show you have no idea what your talking about. :rolleyes:

Depending on the topic, it may not.

Just try writing a guide book on how to murder certain individuals (whom I won't name so I don't get a knock on my door by the FBI)...and see how that goes for you. (actually don't...take my word: it's a bad idea ;) )

But again this^ is irrelevant. For that to be true, one must assume private individuals must provide equal opinion concerning both sides of an issue, or they are some how infringing on the first amendment. Which is absolutely false, and absurd.

[CAL Imagery]

Thanks for the political theory lesson

[MG30D]

Thanks for the political theory lesson

Thanks for the sarcasm Christian :D

[T.D.]

I think this thread as gone about as far as it's going to.

Time to move on.