POTN IRC Chat Channel?

[MattyB]

not sure if it's been suggested before, but what would the chances of a mIRC chat channel being ran be?

the benefits would be:


get to know the regular people from POTN
ask a question and get an immediate response
talk about anything and everything if you have nothing else to do and want to talk to photographers who share your interests
the disadvantages i see:


some workplaces don't allow mIRC programs to be ran during work hours
might be a tad complicated to setup at first. but if you can figure out photoshop - i'm 100% sure you can figure out mIRC straight away.
now, being from australia, and being addicted to IRC for many (MANY) years. i'm fairly familiar to the Austnet.org server, and i'd be more than willing to set you guys up a channel on that server (it's not restricted to only aussies, it's just an australian dedicated server).

it would be fairly easy to moderate, seeing as most people from POTN are mature and won't cause any trouble.

depending how much free time the head guru's of POTN have on thier hands, i guess it would be too much of a hassle to try and moderate a chat channel aswell as a vast forum like this.

so, i've setup a channel for now - heres what you need.
www.mirc.com (http://www.mirc.com)
http://www.mirc.com/get.html
download version 6.16 from the above link, install it


open the program,
click the 2nd from the left icon (folder with a hammer infront of it)
fill in your name, (fake) email, nickname, and alt nickname
on the left of that box, 1 down the list, click 'servers'
IRC network: Austnet
IRC server: Random - (ANY) nz, au, sg.
click "connect to server"
then in the type box at the bottom of the main window, type "/join #POTN" without the quotation marks.if US chatters are having problems connecting to the australians based Austnet servers, try closing the options window and typing one of the following in the main window - down the bottom:
/server us.austnet.org
/server bohica.austnet.org
/server irc.austnet.org
and in san diego - a new server has recently been made - /server 216.55.137.16

etc etc etc - should be fairly simple, sounds arkward - but after you get going, it's like riding a bike.
any overseas connection problems, see http://www.austnet.org/servers/

and - if we get enough traffic, maybe in the future POTN dot net can setup a java app that connects to IRC (seen it on alot of different forums).

hope to chat to you soon :D

[Prox]

Great idea!
I will certainly join up as soon as i get home.

[MattyB]

it's there, and it's registered, you'll see 'ChanOP' in the channel if you're on the right server.
i might be there, being from australia - and it's 11pm here at the moment, i might be asleep in a few hours.

be sure to spread the word with POTN regulars - i doubt this thread will cop much traffic.

[Pekka]

and - if we get enough traffic, maybe in the future POTN dot net can setup a java app that connects to IRC (seen it on alot of different forums).

IRC server is basically a big nono in Ev1 servers AUP:
http://www.ev1servers.net/english/aboutus/aup.asp

[MattyB]

IRC networks: It is absolutely forbidden to host an IRC server that is part of or connected to another IRC network or server. Servers found to be connecting to or part of these networks will be immediately removed from our network without notice. The server will not be reconnected to the network until such time that you agree to completely remove any and all traces of the irc server, and agree to let us have access to your server to confirm that the content has been completely removed. Any server guilty of a second violation will result in immediate account termination.

meaning the server this site is on, won't allow you to have a app link that connects to Austnet?
seems fair if they have there own IRC server.
do they? - if so. why not add an app to connect to that?

suppose it all depends how popular IRC gets for POTN users.

[aam1234]

Excellent idea, but how about somewhere more conventional like Yahoo.

[MattyB]

yahoo isn't letting me create a chat channel. :S

[aam1234]

How about "groups". Can we create a permanent group.

Edit: it doesn't have to be yahoo, it could be any popular place (don't know what that could be).

[MattyB]

to be honest, i'm not that familiar with yahoo or any other website based chat clients, i only know msn messenger and mIRC

[aam1234]

Will MSN messenger do the job. If yes, then why not.

[MattyB]

nah, it's primerily a 1 on 1 chatter.

[Thelonius]

I'm up for it. The photo channels on efnet don't do much for me.

[drisley]

I've been thinking about this for a long time.
I've used MIRC for almost 10 years, and it's a great program, and very easy to use.

[cmM]

How about "groups". Can we create a permanent group.

Edit: it doesn't have to be yahoo, it could be any popular place (don't know what that could be).

Well groups are pretty much forums, and we already have one of those, don't we?

I've used Mirc before, maybe I'll sign up one day, even though I'm not a big chatter :)

[aam1234]

Hi Chris,

Honestly I don't know what "groups" are, just heard about them.

Was thinking of a chat place that's a little more modern than IRC :) it could be an excellent place to discuss things further w/o overloading the server here.

[tommykjensen]

Hi Chris,

Honestly I don't know what "groups" are, just heard about them.

Was thinking of a chat place that's a little more modern than IRC :) it could be an excellent place to discuss things further w/o overloading the server here.

Skype (http://www.skype.com/) could also be used for chat with multiple participants. Obviously the participants need to know each others phonenumbers so it won't be a public chat like IRC.

[aam1234]

That's a major drawback Tommy.

[drisley]

There is a reason IRC has been around since the dawn of the internet.
It's easy to use, and works well. The funny thing is, despite it's benefits, almost nobody I know uses it, and most have never even heard of it.

[aam1234]

The funny thing is, despite it's benefits, almost nobody I know uses it, and most have never even heard of it.

There is a reason for that me think :D

[drisley]

And personally, I've always HATED messenger programs, like Yahoo, Microsoft, ICQ, and the like.
Yet people all seem to use those. That must also be why I hate cellphones. No privacy or something.
But IRC is something that I've always liked. Simple, efficient, and it can actually be fun.

[tommykjensen]

There is a reason IRC has been around since the dawn of the internet.
It's easy to use, and works well. The funny thing is, despite it's benefits, almost nobody I know uses it, and most have never even heard of it.

I know IRC but don't use it. I find it too confusing in chat rooms where many users can type at the same time so the text scrolls by very fast.

And personally, I've always HATED messenger programs, like Yahoo, Microsoft, ICQ, and the like.
Yet people all seem to use those. That must also be why I hate cellphones. No privacy or something.

What do You mean with no privacy? You can set MSN/ICQ/SKYPE etc to only allow known people to send messages to You? When You join an IRC channel it is not private, unless You open a private channel or room.

[tommykjensen]

That's a major drawback Tommy.

Not in my opinion, see my respose to drisley regarding IRC.

For completely open conversations I prefer the forums like this. For real time chat I prefer one 2 one or fewer than 5-6 people at the same time. If there is too many then it goes way too fast in my opinion.

[drisley]

I might try a messenger program again.

[Nidz]

I was on irc last night thinking the exact same thing.. How come there are no chat channels.. I think it's good if you need a quick answer..

I think irc is good as you can have it running while you do other things. Once you use it a few times it's not hard to get your head around. You don't have to be a computer programmer to use it. It's simple and quick and you don't have to register a username or anything like that. It just connects and works. While it's no substitue to the forum, it may be a useful tool to have just in case..

[cmM]

what about security?

[drisley]

Nidz, IRC is ALL chat channels. You just have to search for all available channels.
cmM, IRC has been around longer than Internet Explore, and possible Netscape.
They've really improved the security. There isn't much to worry about since you can disable file types that you can receive, and other things. It really depends on the client you use. I've only used mIRC for 10 years, and I've never had a problem.

[cntry]

Irc is safe, although it is very powerful.

I beats messengers hands down.
I doubt it will become so busy you cant keep up, with only potn members in the channel.
You can chat privately with anyone in the channel while talking publicly.
If someone is a jerk a moderator can kick and ban them, poof their gone!

POTN can have a login page so those who dont want to install mirc dont have to. They can enter from here no software needed.

Here is a link to such a login page that I have setup on my website:
You will be asked to allow an applet click yes (it is safe)
It takes a few seconds to connect, depending on your connection: dont be scared.
Link removed

For the paraniod ones:
you will have to click yes to allow a java applet
you can do a google search for jpilot to see it is safe
Since you would be entering from potn site, if you trust potn then you are good.
Ive been using irc for about 5 years and have had no problems.
Can be used by Linux or MS systems.
If you would try it you would like it.
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[tommykjensen]

Irc is safe, although it is very powerful.

I beats messengers hands down.
I doubt it will become so busy you cant keep up, with only potn members in the channel.
You can chat privately with anyone in the channel while talking publicly.
If someone is a jerk a moderator can kick and ban them, poof their gone!

POTN can have a login page so those who dont want to install mirc dont have to. They can enter from here no software needed.

Here is a link to such a login page that I have setup on my website:
You will be asked to allow an applet click yes (it is safe)
It takes a few seconds to connect, depending on your connection: dont be scared.
http://www.123az.com/rideaz/modules.php?op=modload&name=jIRC&file=index

For the paraniod ones:
you will have to click yes to allow a java applet
you can do a google search for jpilot to see it is safe
Since you would be entering from potn site, if you trust potn then you are good.
Ive been using irc for about 5 years and have had no problems.
Can be used by Linux or MS systems.
If you would try it you would like it.

IRC server is basically a big nono in Ev1 servers AUP:
http://www.ev1servers.net/english/aboutus/aup.asp

So I don't see how that page would end up on the POTN domain.

[drisley]

Irc is safe, although it is very powerful.

I beats messengers hands down..
I agree. I've been using IRC for about 10 years, and I've always shunned instant messaging programs for all this time. Finally, yesterday I installed my first messanger program. I still can't see why messanger programs took off and IRC has remained relatively unknown.

[MattyB]

that'd be because MSN messenger comes free & installed with windows..
well, it does here in australia anyway

[Nidz]

Also you can get java scripts so you can include a IRC chat page on this forum for easy access for those who realy couldn't be bothered installing an IRC client.

[cntry]

tommykjensen,
Just the login page would be on the potn server. I dont think anyone is trying to get potn to run their own irc server. There are plenty of free (well repected) irc servers avaliable to use (for free).
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[tommykjensen]

tommykjensen,
Just the login page would be on the potn server. I dont think anyone is trying to get potn to run their own irc server. There are plenty of free (well repected) irc servers avaliable to use (for free).

However I don't think Pekka are willing to risk this. His server agreement specifically says

Servers found to be connecting to or part of these networks will be immediately removed from our network without notice.

Providing a login page to an IRC server could be interpreted as connecting to an IRC server/network and thus the POTN server could risk getting disconnected. I don't think anybody would want that.

[cntry]

10-4 If thats how the agreement reads that eliminates that posiblity.
And I pulled the link to my site so it doesnt cause a problem.
Unfortunaly it is still in some of the quotes, should probably be edited out.
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[tommykjensen]

10-4 If thats how the agreement reads that eliminates that posiblity.
And I pulled the link to my site so it doesnt cause a problem.
Unfortunaly it is still in some of the quotes, should probably be edited out.

Linking like You did to a page that have a login to irc is a should not be a problem.

[MattyB]

although the IRC idea is a bit of a hot subject, and would most likely be avoided

have the admin/webmasters considered a 'shout box'?

a little box on the top, left, botom of all pages, with a minature 'chat' program in it, for people to say hi, ask a FAQ and get a quick response or link pasted to them, tell people waiting for them to post that they're leaving for a while, have a few mini conversations, etc.
would be a great add-on, and i would use it imensly to get to know all you 'old school regs' a bit better :D

[tommykjensen]

have the admin/webmasters considered a 'shout box'?


If it involves anything else than modifying CSS I doubt it will be possible. Pekka have previously clearly stated that he will not modify any part of the vbulletin code.

[aam1234]

Been trying the chat channel they started today in the site where they have contests I participate in. All I can say is...WAW. What a great idea.

We've been exchanging critiques, comments, and photo ideas for some years now, but to meet them (somewhat) in person is something else. I highly recommend it.

[cntry]

Ok, I know this post has been dead for a while, but I may have found a solution for potn members to live chat in irc.

If POTN members dont mind using the firefox brower( it is all I use for 3 years now, never go back to IE), there is a extension called chatzilla which will let you chat from firefox directly.

All that will be needed here is the address for the server.

If anyone is interested let me know and I will set up a channel on a very friendly server. If it gets going I will give full control to POTN mods.

IRC is great in the respect we can make it a private channel where only our members can enter. OPs (mods) will have the ablity to kick or ban anyone who is out of line (one easy click and they are gone).

You can private chat, public chat, sned recieve files all in our own little world.
:)
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[cntry]

channel Dropped
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[tommykjensen]

If anyone is interested let me know and I will set up a channel on a very friendly server. If it gets going I will give full control to POTN mods.


You are more than welcome to do this. But do not expect POTN Mods to moderate that. We have more than enough to keep up with in the forums so an IRC channel somebody else need to moderate. I am pretty sure I speak for most moderators if not all.

[cntry]

tommykjensen,
That was only if they wanted to.
I will be glad to help get it going and then we will see what happens.
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[tommykjensen]

tommykjensen (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/member.php?u=15933),
That was only if they wanted to.

I realise that but as a moderator I can say I don't want that extra work and am pretty sure the other mods feel the same way.

[cntry]

well if it gets going we will find people who are interested.
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[Jon]

I realise that but as a moderator I can say I don't want that extra work and am pretty sure the other mods feel the same way.I fully agree - I can't even keep up with what I have on my plate here, at work, and managing my web site.

[cntry]

Was just a thought, channel will be closed.
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[SoaringUSAEagle]

I fully agree - I can't even keep up with what I have on my plate here, at work, and managing my web site.

I hear that.

[lakiluno]

I spend too long on IRC

anyway, the server T&C's say no IRC servers. Java IRC clients are just files users download and then run on their own machines - the connection doesn't go through the server downloaded from.

Anyway...IRC is useful when websites go down :D

[michael_]

sorry tobring this back does anyone use IRC? i think what their AUP states refers to hosting an IRC server, ausnet hot the server and data and POTN would simply have a channel, anyway i am on gamesurge and if potn or any other photographic community is on irc i would love the info.

i could even just create aPOTN channel on gamesurge if the mods / admins where ok with it, i can help manage it , its mainly for real time chating which is great

[tommykjensen]

sorry tobring this back does anyone use IRC? i think what their AUP states refers to hosting an IRC server, ausnet hot the server and data and POTN would simply have a channel, anyway i am on gamesurge and if potn or any other photographic community is on irc i would love the info.

i could even just create aPOTN channel on gamesurge if the mods / admins where ok with it, i can help manage it , its mainly for real time channting which is great

It has been said before. If you want to create a IRC channel feel free to do so. But don't expect moderators or admin here to manage it for you. You would have to do that yourself or find other volunteers to do that. The moderators here have plenty to do with the forums.

Personally I wouldn't moderate or partitipate on an IRC channel. If there are many logged on it goes way too fast. For multi chat I prefer smaller groups with maybe 3-5 paritipants which can easily be done with MSN Messenger and then it is invite only.

[michael_]

thats cool tommy i just didnt want to creat it under the POTN name without asking first, i agree when there are alot of people it does go to fast however i dont see it getting that big, i would say probably 50-100 people would ever be on at the same time, remember we are in different timezones so ... anyway ill jump on and create it and anyone who wants to come by can.

[tommykjensen]

thats cool tommy i just didnt want to creat it under the POTN name without asking first, i agree when there are alot of people it does go to fast however i dont see it getting that big, i would say probably 50-100 people would ever be on at the same time, remember we are in different timezones so ... anyway ill jump on and create it and anyone who wants to come by can.

Please make sure you ask Pekka if you can use the name "POTN" for the irc channel.

[cntry]

Already been done, you can not use the POTN name.

[aIpha]

For POTN @ IRC to happen, you basically have two options:

1. Pick a popular IRC network (EFnet, Dalnet, Undernet, there are literally hundreds) and just create a #potn or any channel). Some networks will allow you to register your channel so that the channel is 'protected'. This is the easiest option.

2. Create POTN's own IRC network - depending on how the server load is for this web server. The EV1Servers AUP simply state that you can't connect an IRC server as part of an existing IRC server. This means that POTN can host their own private IRC network but just can't connect it to other networks. This is a more difficult option unless one of the admins of the server has experience installing and configuring an IRC server before.

[tommykjensen]

For POTN @ IRC to happen, you basically have two options:

1. Pick a popular IRC network (EFnet, Dalnet, Undernet, there are literally hundreds) and just create a #potn or any channel). Some networks will allow you to register your channel so that the channel is 'protected'. This is the easiest option.

2. Create POTN's own IRC network - depending on how the server load is for this web server. The EV1Servers AUP simply state that you can't connect an IRC server as part of an existing IRC server. This means that POTN can host their own private IRC network but just can't connect it to other networks. This is a more difficult option unless one of the admins of the server has experience installing and configuring an IRC server before.

Regarding #2. If you mean on the same server the forum is running on then that is not going to happen.

[aIpha]

Regarding #2. If you mean on the same server the forum is running on then that is not going to happen.

Ah I see, I guess I am assuming correctly to think that the web server and database server is running on the same server? If so, then definitely not considering the forum has at least 1000 active users at any given time - that alone is a lot for a single server to handle.

Option #1 is quick and easy if the POTN team thinks there is enough interest in it. :)

[tommykjensen]

Ah I see, I guess I am assuming correctly to think that the web server and database server is running on the same server? If so, then definitely not considering the forum has at least 1000 active users at any given time - that alone is a lot for a single server to handle.


Regardless of number of servers. Pekka have said he will not have an IRC server on his server(s).

And again. You say the POTN team. It has been said several times. The moderators on POTN do not have the time or wish to manage an IRC channel. There is plenty to keep up with in the forums.

[aIpha]

Oops, sorry. I scanned the first 3 pages and must've missed all that.

[rdkumarj]

Hi

When i used IRC and joined " #POTN " Channel i find no one there.... is anybody using this IRC from POTN. Please use it , so we can easily communicate and more faster we can do it.

Thanks.

[Pekka]

Hi

When i used IRC and joined " #POTN " Channel i find no one there.... is anybody using this IRC from POTN. Please use it , so we can easily communicate and more faster we can do it.

Thanks.

You have 18 posts. To communicate with people you need to post more here. :)

[rdkumarj]

You have 18 posts. To communicate with people you need to post more here. :)



You are right i only have 18 posts. But i felt IRC is also one good medium we can use and do " Online Chat " and get ideas and suggestions from people instantly.

Off Course even in the forum , though it is not instant , replies occur very quick for the posts made...!

[Picture North Carolina]

Sorry, my opinion is it's not a useful idea because it's not a useful communication medium. I agree with tommy. Can you imagine if even a mere 10% of the users of POTN were on the chat channel at the same time? Things would be scrolling past so fast you would be lucky to read one out of every 20 posts. That's not conversation, that's confused chaos.

IRC was overtaken by forums because of their ease of use. Yes, conversation is "real-time restricted" in forums, but at least 19 of 20 posts are not floating by unread.

I haven't been on irc for years. Haven't even had the mirc client installed on the last 2 generations of PCs. But I assume it's still out there as it always has been - used majorically for porn and warez.

It's just my personal opinion, but IRC has had it's day and is about as antiquated and useless as Archie, Veronica and Gopher.

[tommykjensen]

Haha. Gopher I only tried that a couple times when I had just got OS2 Warp with internet access.