Attention Canon Fraud Dept.

[Ballen Photo]

Can You believe this? Have look at what I found on ebay,
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3867922362&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 :shock: :evil: :shock:
-Bruce

[NickC]

Without any hint from your post, I was assuming you are implying that the camera in the auction is fake. True, I couldn't find a TC-8000 in Canon's online museum, but there's another auction on eBay for another TC-8000, with a pic too, showing that auction #1 is not photoshopped:

link to auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7546482245&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7546482245%26fvi %3D1)

So then, could you please explain your post further?

[Ballen Photo]

Without any hint from your post, I was assuming you are implying that the camera in the auction is fake. True, I couldn't find a TC-8000 in Canon's online museum, but there's another auction on eBay for another TC-8000, with a pic too, showing that auction #1 is not photoshopped:

link to auction (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7546482245&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D7546482245%26fvi %3D1)

So then, could you please explain your post further?Nick, You're kidding, RIGHT?
Simply put, These are NOT Canon brand cameras. Instead, these are cheap knock offs meant to fool the unsuspecting public. If you look closely at the picture, you'll see an opening at the front of the faux prism housing. The view finder is simply a crude sight glass, and this is only the first thing I noticed. The flash bracket doesn't even seem to align its self properly with the body. :rolleyes:
These are worse than those cheap watch knock offs being sold on street corners. I've seen these same cameras with various different manufacturers names stuck on them, and rest assured, Canon doesn't want their name on these either.
Why on Earth would one of the worlds premier camera builders put something like this out anyway? :shock:
-Bruce

[Andy_T]

I like the idea of a 'focus-free 50 mm f/6.3 lens' :lol:

The one that's stil at 99 cents might actually be a worth the money ...

Best regards,
Andy

[NickC]

Nick, You're kidding, RIGHT?

No, I am not.

In your original post perhaps you assumed that everyone here knows that the TC-8000 is fake, or a knockoff, or something. That's preposterous, of course, since we're not all Canon experts and historians. So I just had to guess what the heck you meant by alerting the Canon "fraud department" to an eBay auction of what looked like a real Canon camera. Thank you for the followup details.

[Ballen Photo]

The one that's stil at 99 cents might actually be a worth the money ...
LOL! In that auction the Guy states; Dont no much about it, It was my wifes uncles. Then if you look at His other auction for a Kodak "Professional" DCS 315 digital camera, He has descriptions and diagrams to tell you all about it. Hmm, is something amiss here? :lol:
-Bruce

[Jemmind]

It looks like the cheap POS cameras I see people selling at the flea market. I love going up to them, looking at them, laughing, and saying what crap they are:) Although none I have seen had the guts to have Canon written on them. Usually something more along the lines of Sunarisareia or some Japanese sounding fake word.
Julie

[DavidW]

Googling around digs up that the real brand is likely to be Mitsuba - whoever they are. Most of the links on Google are dead. The Canon label in one of the pictures on eBay looks stuck on.



David

[Steve Parr]

I work for a large guitar company, and we see knock-offs both on eBay and in local pawn shops all the time. We actually buy some of the "better" ones to keep them off the market.

I would be willing to bet, though, that the seller in unfamiliar with what he has. HIs feedback rating is quite high...

Steve

[thomascanty]

I would be willing to bet, though, that the seller in unfamiliar with what he has. HIs feedback rating is quite high...

I agree. She (Yvette sounds more like a "she" than a "he" :p ) obviously doesn't know much about cameras. Look at her other auctions. She keeps confusing aperture with focal length. F=50mm. F=400mm. Etc.

I wonder if anyone has sent her email to tell her that isn't a Canon camera...

[dewmuw]

Does TC stand for Total Crap? ;)

[guitarman]

I work for a large guitar company, and we see knock-offs both on eBay and in local pawn shops all the time. We actually buy some of the "better" ones to keep them off the market.

I would be willing to bet, though, that the seller in unfamiliar with what he has. HIs feedback rating is quite high...

Steve

Nothing wrong with a knock off as long as the customer knows what they are getting. I once owned a Gibson Hummingbird knock off from a company called Pan. That guitar was amazing. After playing this guitar for about 3 years It developed the exact same sweet mellow sound of the original. Unfortunately it pretty much self destructed after about 10 years. First the top started to warp which caused the birdge to lift. I had it repaired a few times. About the 10 year mark pretty much the whole box just fell apart. But hey I only paid $150 for it.

[Steve Parr]

Nothing wrong with a knock off as long as the customer knows what they are getting.

You don't have a problem with trademark infringement?

Steve

[guitarman]

You don't have a problem with trademark infringement?

Steve

A definition fo a knock off to me is not trademark infringment. I didn't get a Gibson Hummingbird. I got a PAN that very much lookied lik one and luckily sounded similar. Having played an original it was far from original.
I would think the case of a company called Tokai, that made exact to specifications Fender Telecasters and Stratocasters, then were subsequently sued for it, would fall under the category of trademark infringment. Almost everything from clothes to electronics have thier knock off counterparts. Some people like them, some would rather have the original. I see nothing wrong with it. As long as your not being conned in to thinking your getting the original. As far as I'm concerned alot of these big companies create thier own problems. Companies like Martin or Gibson who have spent the last century creating a goodname and then for the sake of saving money start to produce inferior products and live off the name. Most of the time they create knockoffs of thier own product as they know there is money to be made in that market.
If another company makes a better knockoff for a better price your darn right I'm there. I'm just a consumer trying to get my value in all of this.
Alot of good companies got thier start making knockoffs that were ultimately good products.

[Steve Parr]

I would think the case of a company called Tokai, that made exact to specifications Fender Telecasters and Stratocasters, then were subsequently sued for it, would fall under the category of trademark infringment. Almost everything from clothes to electronics have thier knock off counterparts. Some people like them, some would rather have the original. I see nothing wrong with it. As long as your not being conned in to thinking your getting the original. As far as I'm concerned alot of these big companies create thier own problems. Companies like Martin or Gibson who have spent the last century creating a goodname and then for the sake of saving money start to produce inferior products and live off the name. Most of the time they create knockoffs of thier own product as they know there is money to be made in that market.
If another company makes a better knockoff for a better price your darn right I'm there. I'm just a consumer trying to get my value in all of this.
Alot of good companies got thier start making knockoffs that were ultimately good products.

Tokai still builds Gibson and Fender knock-offs. They're unable to market them in the US, though. I was at a trade show in Toronto last month, and Toaki was there in full force. The basis of the lawsuits against Tokai, though, didn't have to do with the name on the guitar, but rather with the design and the logo similarity.

As to whether or not they make their own knock-offs, the difference is that they own the patents and the trademarks; they can do anything they want with them.

There used to be a guy here in San Diego who was famous (infamous, really) for making drop-dead replicas of Gibson guitars. The downside was that, given the chance, he would sell them as original Gibson products.

In the case of the "Canon" camera here, it has the name on it. An uneducated buyer would, in fact, think he's getting a Canon...

Steve

[guitarman]

Tokai still builds Gibson and Fender knock-offs. They're unable to market them in the US, though. I was at a trade show in Toronto last month, and Toaki was there in full force. The basis of the lawsuits against Tokai, though, didn't have to do with the name on the guitar, but rather with the design and the logo similarity.

As to whether or not they make their own knock-offs, the difference is that they own the patents and the trademarks; they can do anything they want with them.

There used to be a guy here in San Diego who was famous (infamous, really) for making drop-dead replicas of Gibson guitars. The downside was that, given the chance, he would sell them as original Gibson products.

In the case of the "Canon" camera here, it has the name on it. An uneducated buyer would, in fact, think he's getting a Canon...

Steve

This is where it gets ugly. Even if it turns out to be a great camera or guitar. I would not want to get duped in to beleiving something is what it is not.

[Ballen Photo]

I see nothing wrong with it. As long as your not being conned in to thinking your getting the original. That's the reason I posted this. Having Canon's good name, and even using the same font as seen on Canon's logo is very deceptive, underhanded, and illegal. They are leading the potential customer into thinking that they are buying an actual Canon product, when in fact they are decieved into buying a very cheap knock off that is not even close to actual Canon quality. I can see someone having this and thinking "What a JUNK camera" Canon puts out. :( As far as this person not knowing, I see other camera equipment in their auctions that look pretty good, and due to the difference in quality, I find it hard to believe that they just didn't know. :rolleyes:
-Bruce

[CyberDyneSystems]

In the Early '80s in Mnahattan and surrounding areas the electronics shops favorite couterfeit products were "JVC"...

there were like 2 dozen names selling under "JVC".. all with very similar words for the abbreviation, Japan Victor Components, Japan Victory Components, Japan Vikar Components, Japan Value Components... etc.. etc..

[BDM]

Does TC stand for Total Crap? ;)

Or "terribly crude."

Bruce

[monicaliu2005]

Now i saw this camera ( canon Tc-8000 ) in a two hand store ..

and it cost 39.99 .. do u think i should buy it ?
And is it all the canon Tc-8000 is fake or just the one in ebay is fake ?

[elTwitcho]

Now i saw this camera ( canon Tc-8000 ) in a two hand store ..

and it cost 39.99 .. do u think i should buy it ?
And is it all the canon Tc-8000 is fake or just the one in ebay is fake ?


All are fake, and no I don't think this camera would be worth 40 dollars. It is essentially, a big plastic disposable camera. If you go buy one of the cardboard disposables you will get the same thing, and likely at a better quality too

[saravrose]

Now i saw this camera ( canon Tc-8000 ) in a two hand store ..

and it cost 39.99 .. do u think i should buy it ?
And is it all the canon Tc-8000 is fake or just the one in ebay is fake ?


I do believe that what's being said is that the TC-8000 isn't really a product of Canon and therefore going to be a much lower quality than other real Canon products... but, in general you get what you pay for. I'd suggest looking into a better brand with reliable quality...

sari

[Bruce Hamilton]

If you google TC-8000, you'll find it's a 35mm camera manufactured by Matsuba, not Canon. A check of Matsuba's web site shows the 8000 to be a printer, not a camera. A search of Ebay for Matsuba includes a 35mm camera looking remarkably like the TC-8000, but without the Canon name plate.

[cjm]

Man I can feel the quality of this camer just by looking at it. Just look at that shutter button in that auction! Never mind the fake flash and lens. Useless junk.

I bet that this camera below, that is my fisher price SLR is of a stronger build.

http://members.shaw.ca/cmphotos2/FisherpriceCameraSmall.jpg

(Its a toy camera that my nephew plays with when he comes over)

[PacAce]

Man I can feel the quality of this camer just by looking at it. Just look at that shutter button in that auction! Never mind the fake flash and lens. Useless junk.

I bet that this camera below, that is my fisher price SLR is of a stronger build.

http://members.shaw.ca/cmphotos2/FisherpriceCameraSmall.jpg

(Its a toy camera that my nephew plays with when he comes over)
Wow, Chris, that's a cool looking camera! I've been looking for one to give to my one year old grandson who really likes my 1D2 except it's too heavy for him to hold by himself. Are these toy cameras still available? From Fisher Toys? Does the flash really work (it'd be so cool if it did)?

Thanks. :)

[saravrose]

Wow, Chris, that's a cool looking camera! I've been looking for one to give to my one year old grandson who really likes my 1D2 except it's too heavy for him to hold by himself. Are these toy cameras still available? From Fisher Toys? Does the flash really work (it'd be so cool if it did)?

Thanks. :)

hey, I second that.. I have a couple of two year old nieces that would go nuts over that thing.. where did you get it? does the lens 'zoom'... ha ha.. they would love it and it would certainly help keep them away from my camera...:D :D :D

sari

[cjm]

Wow, Chris, that's a cool looking camera! I've been looking for one to give to my one year old grandson who really likes my 1D2 except it's too heavy for him to hold by himself. Are these toy cameras still available? From Fisher Toys? Does the flash really work (it'd be so cool if it did)?

Thanks. :)No they are not, but if you want I will look out for one at a Garage Sale or Yard sale and sell it to you at cost plus S&H. This camera was released I think in 1990ish. My older nephew had one originally and I found this one at a garage sale last year. He loves it he takes a picture and says "Oh thats a good one" or "I better delete that one". He's 4.

Check this thread out http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=95197

[RCreevesphotography]

Check out this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-TC-8000-35mm-CAMERA-LIKE-NEW-CAMERAS-NICE_W0QQitemZ110072268436QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3328Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Stevezasycho]

I want to contact all the bidders and inform them this camera is NOT an actual Canon