How NOT to go about looking for nude models...

[BillsBayou]

Just got this BOLO alert through the university's email system. Items in parenthesis are my edits:

The (University) Police Department is seeking information relative to a person frequenting the University area and is accused of harassing female students. The subject, identified as (Alias 1), aka (Alias 2) or (Alias 3), is a 40 year old white male, 6’1” in height, 175 pounds. His mode of operation is to approach females in public areas and barrooms and offer them compensation, such as sporting event tickets and access to movie sets. He also asks if the females will meet him for photo shoots, including taking nude photos. If you have encountered this individual or see him on campus, please contact the (University) Police immediately. I'm not sure that offering compensation for nude photos is actually a crime. It must be something about how he does it. Maybe he's a pest.

This isn't the first time that the university has put out alerts about people approaching female students for nude photo shoots. I'm not sure that they should be alerting women to watch out for glamour/nude photographers, rather they should be educating potential models as to the pitfalls of unscrupulous photographers and the safety issues involved if they do accept the job.

Well, no, not really. It's more likely the university doesn't want parents writing letters of complaint when they find out that their daughter's pre-med work has been side-tracked by nude modeling.

If I see the guy mentioned in the BOLO, I'm more likely to turn him on to Carolyn E. Wright's book and ask him if he needs a set assistant.

[The Loft Studios]

1.) If he is not a Student, then he is trespassing.....
2.) If he is a Student, then there is "ABSOLUTELY" nothing that they could do about it because it's possible that he is doing it for a class project.
3.) If caught, the University has to proved that he "harassed" these girls. A simple question of, "Would you model nude for me?" is not harassment. Although some girls may find it to be offensive to be asked that question, it IS NOT harassment.

[shsabres]

1.) If he is not a Student, then he is trespassing.....
2.) If he is a Student, then there is "ABSOLUTELY" nothing that they could do about it because it's possible that he is doing it for a class project.
3.) If caught, the University has to proved that he "harassed" these girls. A simple question of, "Would you model nude for me?" is not harassment. Although some girls may find it to be offensive to be asked that question, it IS NOT harassment.

Ill give a police standpoint...
1. Not necessarily. While a university is private property it is generally open to public during the day. (Used to be a University Officer). This can be established by adult education students, and some larger universities encompass communities as a whole and in doing so allow its citizens access.

2. The University can do plenty. If they have a class project they will have models to do so. They will not allow its students to go out and search for them. They would not allow this, as an administration this is bad practice to allow students to go look for nude shots.

3. Harassed is a general term. They can be charged with stalking, harassment and disorderly conduct. I am unsure what the laws are at this University. However, harassment laws are very lenient. Some states consider harassment as any behavior that tends to annoy, impede or upset an individual.

In conclusion, I feel there is a decent case here as the University PD would not be searching for this individual unless they were trying to build up a large case for criminal charges.

[Mark_Cohran]

3. Harassed is a general term. They can be charged with stalking, harassment and disorderly conduct. I am unsure what the laws are at this University. However, harassment laws are very lenient. Some states consider harassment as any behavior that tends to annoy, impede or upset an individual.

In conclusion, I feel there is a decent case here as the University PD would not be searching for this individual unless they were trying to build up a large case for criminal charges.

So, let me make sure I understand this correctly....if I approach a person in a publicly accessible location and ask them to pose for me (nude or not), I can be charged with harassment if that upsets an individual? That's just doesn't sit well with what I understand regarding constitutional principles.

[shsabres]

So, let me make sure I understand this correctly....if I approach a person in a publicly accessible location and ask them to pose for me (nude or not), I can be charged with harassment if that upsets an individual? That's just doesn't sit well with what I understand regarding constitutional principles.

You are reading too much into it my friend, per the code of the state where I live:
Harasses defined. For the purposes of this chapter, harasses means a knowing and willful course of conduct directed at a specific person which alarms, annoys, or harasses the person. Said person can be charged under this code section.

[shsabres]

Also, it was, in this case a repeated activity, so that is why they would be looking for said suspect in this case. He may have been advised to leave and to discontinue said action and he had not. So, now they are building up a case to take before a court.

[Muggsly]

As someone who worked for a large University for a number of years all it takes is one complaint and the university would take action and rather quickly. They would take action against any type of solicitation done on school grounds and basically he is a soliciting girls to work. If he did not get prior permission he can be asked to leave and not return or cease his actions.

I have seen it happen when a local club owner was looking for dancers for his club.

Girl1- "OMG so creepy guy ask me to dance at this club"
Girl2- "omg omg he did the same thing to me"
Girl3- "you guys should report him he is probably a <insert bad thing here>"

Police are contacted they wanted to know who, what, why, and where.

Just my 2cents

[Mark_Cohran]

Of course, getting the DA to follow through with charges is another thing altogether depending on the circumstances.

[shsabres]

Of course, getting the DA to follow through with charges is another thing altogether depending on the circumstances.

Exactly..but I have seen stranger things happen!!

[Muggsly]

Of course, getting the DA to follow through with charges is another thing altogether depending on the circumstances.

I am in full agreement.

[leeport]

It's all in the delivery. And dont wear a raincoat.

[banpreso]

if he's 20 something, good looking, and knows how/ when to ask, i'm sure he won't be on the police alert.

can you imagine if his wife and kids saw the police alert?! probably throw out all his camera gear (given if it consist more than just a point and shoot)

[dave63]

Of course, getting the DA to follow through with charges is another thing altogether depending on the circumstances.

Since the primary goal of law enforcement and local governments is financial, anymore, if this situation can be monetized, the DA will file charges.

[TauntDevil]

Not to get side tracked but im sure there is a reason they didnt announce on there that he is doing wrong.
Maybe he is grabbing them and what not or maybe its just how they will find him.

They know he asks models to do nude shoots so they want someone he asks to turn him in, may not be because he asks for the shoots but maybe its a way they will get him in for whatever he did.
Just saying

[wayne.robbins]

I see comments here from he's trespassing, to peforming illegal activities, to that the university is concerned.., it's solicitation, etc... Funny guys. Remind me to not consult any of you guys to be my $#!thouse lawyers.

Trespassing on public property? Maybe if it wasn't public properties, or he has been served a written notice before, but would they not know how to contact him in the first place; followed by probably some sort of civil action like taking him to court and barring him from the property?

University concerned? Right! Their students routinely do many more stupid, illegal, and irresponsible things than what this guy is apparently asking for. . Anything beyond the stated "facts" is just speculation. Higher education is a volume business. They aren't that concerned about any one individual. Maybe trying to show that they are doing their part, half-heartedly- maybe.. Probably more for show than actual concern.

Harassment. Asking a girl to pose nude - is it really a crime ? Harassment? repeated advances to the same girl when she turns him down- maybe.

Wrong place to be asking- well, until he gets caught.. Let's see.. Middle aged guy. average height. Average weight. White male. Unless they are posting these notices in the areas he frequents, I'd guess that the university is doing a CYA thing.