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Jan 09, 2012 21:26 |  #1

I'm looking for help to improve my photo capture quality. I have a 7D with a canon 18-200 kit lens with a circular polarizer that I captured these images with. What would you of done different ? I was set up on a tripod, at 200mm max zoom, center focus on the birds beak, AF mode, AWB,


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Jan 09, 2012 21:40 |  #2

you could do a number of things.

take off the Polarizer so more light gets in. that will increase your light and let you do more.
shoot a slower shutter speed, owls arent going to move much and I think I read youre on a tripod.
the biggest thing is to get a bigger/better lens so you can "get closer" without getting closer.

the shots are pretty good though. Dont beat yourself up. Have you tried to crop them?



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Jan 09, 2012 21:41 |  #3

I would have not used the CPL. The next thing I would have changed is the lens. I would have gone with a Canon 100-400mm lens. The last thing I would have changed was the cropping. I would have brought it in a lot closer to the owl. It doesn't look very clear to me. Do you have a 100% crop of the bird so we can see?

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Jan 09, 2012 21:46 |  #4

I think They look good. They would be better with 400 :D. What do you feel it is lacking? I'm sure it was a tough capture.


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Jan 09, 2012 21:46 as a reply to  @ Saint728's post |  #5

These are directly out of the camera and uploaded to photobucket....I dont have any post software.


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Jan 09, 2012 22:01 |  #6

Can try a few things,
1- As other mentioned, remove your CPL.
2- Try taking picture near to the bird (if possible try using 1.4TC, although bigger focal length will be a plus but it is up to your finances).
3- Try using f8 (it is sharper around that aperture).
4- Do some after shoot work like increase contrast and try to move your subject in frame.
(I did a quick amendment to show what i mean, i am not a pro just try to shoot birds on weekend if possible).
5- Try to get cleaner foreground (Although it is not possible all the time, but owl don't move that much or do they :p).


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Jan 09, 2012 22:09 |  #7

I would have stopped down to f/8. Kit lenses aren't the sharpest wide open lenses out there and super zooms like the 18-200mm are going to suffer more. Otherwise unless you are going to sell the lens and get some L glass like a 70-200mm or 100-400mm there's not much else to do. Pics look great to me as they are.

If you are interested in editing software you might want to check out Gimp. It's a free editing program, kinda like a free photoshop, but less powerfull... Maybe you can play with the shots to make them pop a little more to your liking.


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Jan 09, 2012 22:17 as a reply to  @ kawi_200's post |  #8

Why are you not using the software that came with the 7d?
that is what I use.
I used to use Photoshop Elements 7 but its not compatible with the 60d. So now I just use DPP.
I can do a 10 second edit if you dont mind to show you what the free software will do in no time. (and im not good at it).



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Jan 09, 2012 23:31 |  #9

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I would have not used the CPL. The next thing I would have changed is the lens. I would have gone with a Canon 100-400mm lens. The last thing I would have changed was the cropping. I would have brought it in a lot closer to the owl. It doesn't look very clear to me. Do you have a 100% crop of the bird so we can see?
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Yeah, I would crop some more to bring the subject in closer, the foreground/background is too chaotic


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Jan 10, 2012 05:22 as a reply to  @ archpictures's post |  #10

Thanks all for the comments. I shoot mostly with the CPL as you all know with the filter it allows me to get a darker blues and greens....looking at the moss would of been washed out completely without the CPL. (?? ) What are the negatives of shooting through a CPL? Last, I think I need better glass to match the 7D camera body. The 18-200 has served me well when I originally purchased it for my T1i....after 3 years I upgraded bodies the a new 7D, 2 months ago. My photo's seem to be not much different in quality....guess that's what higher end glass does, and knowing WTH to do with it, lol. I'm thinking a 28-300L as it fits what I like to capture in photography. I know it's a super zoom, I may rent it as I'm headed to the Big Island of Hawaii in 3 weeks and would love to capture a few shots of the lava flows into the ocean. I'll keep practicing the art.


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Jan 10, 2012 06:27 |  #11

I think the major thing missing is more pixels on target, aka a longer lens.

You haven't posted them yet but chances are the 1:1 crop isn't that great although there isn't one particular thing wrong with the pictures as such. Having said that it looks like AF didn't hit the beak, looks like some branches in front are sharper. A longer lens at same aperture or same length and bigger aperture would probably have helped.

I would also shoot these things raw. You don't have a long enough lens and even though jpeg as from the camera probably looks fine for the total picture the same doesn't have to be true for heavy cropping. jpeg losses, implied sharpening, noise reduction (heavy on the 7d) and other picture adjustments and of course white balance are done by the camera not knowing that you are only interested in the center 1/10th of the picture. Things can add up quickly.


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Jan 10, 2012 07:05 |  #12

I'm really not a fan of the subject being fairly small and dead centre of frame, personally.

Ideally, for a better shot, get closer in (or use a longer lens), keep the subject off centre and try and visually simplify the foreground detail (ie get the foreground branches and stuff out of there.)



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Jan 10, 2012 07:26 |  #13

Loads of sensible suggestions. In order of expense -

Get rid of the CPL.
Get closer to the bird.
Do some post-processing. If you turn on image editing* then somebody can tweak your image to show what's possible.
Get a longer lens.
Get an even longer lens.
Get a stupidly expensive, very fast, very long lens.

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Jan 10, 2012 07:39 |  #14

I think the images look sharp. Need to get closer or crop. Getting closer is the best option but could be an expensive one. Nicely done.


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Jan 10, 2012 07:49 as a reply to  @ MilesW's post |  #15

I PM'd the OP and he gave me permission to edit his image.
This was done in less than 1 minute on DPP. it looks good on my DPP but when I open in in
windows its horrible. I hope it turns out.
I had to put the quality down to 1to get down to the 150kb size requirement.

EDIT: it looks like it lost all the sharpness I put into it when I had to downsize it to attach. I may upload it to a hosting site and it should look better.


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