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nicksan wrote in post #13943722external link
The D800 took me by surprise.

The D700 was a fantastic camera. Great bang for the buck. You essentially got 95% of the D3, probably more than that actually, at a much cheaper price.

I think what a lot of folks wanted was a higher MP camera with the same/similar/slightly better high ISO performance of the D3s/D4.

The jump from 12MP to 36MP essentially changed the product line.

Are they going to put out another camera to fill the slot that the D700 held relative to the D4?

Of course there are a bunch of people happy to see a 36MP FF camera that's $3k. No doubt about it, but I think there were a lot more people looking for a D700 upgrade with a reasonable bump in MP, high ISO performance equivalent of the D3s, and some other logical improvements such as Video, AF, etc.

So in some ironic way, the 5D3, if the rumored specs are right, would definitely fill that slot.

The D800 specs would please those who bought the 5D2, 1Ds3 or D3x, or are thinking about digital MF.

To give it higher ISO capability would require nothing more than a firmware patch. Bin two pixels together and you'll effectively get a 1-stop improvement in ISO and noise - you'd be able to shoot an 18MP file at ISO 12800 and have the same per-pixel noise as a 36MP file at ISO 6400. Overall noise at the same print size would be the same, and would be the same as any other full-frame sensor built using the same technology, regardless of resolution. The addition of sRAW or mRAW would solve the issue of file size, though.

The D800 is supposed to have high ISO capability within half a stop of the D4. The D4's better high-ISO capability has nothing to do with megapixels, though - it's due to new microlens technology. Put these microlenses on a 36MP sensor and you'd still have the same total noise as the 16MP D4. However, it may not be presently viable to fabricate the new microlenses on such a tiny scale, though, hence the D4's lower resolution.

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Gregg.Siam wrote in post #13942529external link
I hate to be negative, but let's not forget that the 50D had a stellar reputation and its successor was highly anticipated as well. The 60D wasn't exactly what everyone expected or wanted, but Canon still pushed out what they thought we needed, not what we expected.

Between the 60D and the 7D, whose needs were left out?

A similar split of the 5D appears to be what a lot of people here are hoping for...so it would be what a number of people here are expecting.

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Turning wrote in post #13943058external link
Not sure I'd want 44 mp, but of the two rumored bodies I would go for the higher res, lower fps version.

In terms of the mps, I have a hunch that in the future high mp will be more the standard. Think back on how many folks thought 21 mp was too much (vs the 5d with 12). But once I upgraded from my 5d to a 5d2 (with one reason being more resolution), it was such an improvement it made me hungry for a little more yet.

And back then the pundits were posting that I would not see any more detail in a 5d2 from a 5d at f/16 due to diffraction.

I borrowed a 5d2 and did very controlled comparisons with the 5d and even at f/16 there was no comparison. The 5d2 had gobs more detail, and downsizing the files to match the 5d resolution (even at f/16) made the increased pixels even more impressive.

So clearly 22 mp is not the limit of useful sensor resolution. Is 44 beyond the limit? For me, the only good answer is to see the actual controlled comparisons. My bet is that in 10 years more than 40 mp in a FF will be the norm.

Just look back 10 years.

I fully agree with this, and it was the same for me. As I've said before, the difference between the 5D and the 5D2 enabled me to completely retire my medium format film cameras--an enormous difference in my work flow.

Unless there are some unexpectedly stupendous operational improvements, I would not be attracted to a 22mp body--I certainly do want significantly more resolution, presuming all other aspects of IQ are equal or better.

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RDKirk wrote in post #13943975external link
Between the 60D and the 7D, whose needs were left out?

A similar split of the 5D appears to be what a lot of people here are hoping for...so it would be what a number of people here are expecting.

I don't think they need to split the 5D line, just give me a D800 with a Canon mount please. ;)
To be honest though if they keep to 22mp as the rumors suggest while adding a 1Dx (or even 1DsMIII) autofocus and dual CF slots, increased iso and more fps I'll be happier than a tornado in a trailer park. :D While we're at it we can throw in rf flash control too, and 9 shot auto-bracketing. Maybe some better weather sealing, virtual horizon, 100% viewfinder. . . . . . . .

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rick_reno wrote in post #13943077external link
I believe this is why Canon is floating the rumor of the 40+mp body down the road. They don't have something now that can go head to head with the D800, so we're back into a "just trust us, we'll throw something together" game.

When have Canon been 'floating' any rumours about any specifications for the next 5D?
Can you point me to this official source?
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Nothing official, but Canon Rumours is apparently getting a lot of "22 mp, 61 AF point, 6.9 fps" from a number of diferent directions prior to the official word from Canon.

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Here it is: (CR3)

http://www.canonrumors​.com/external link

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Holy moly! Canonrumors just exploded with CR3 rumors!!

5D next week!
http://www.canonrumors​.com ...n-february-2728-2012-cr3/external link

590EX Speedlite (with radio capabilities) together with 5D announcement!
http://www.canonrumors​.com/2012/02/new-flash-lenses-cr3/external link

New lenses!
http://www.canonrumors​.com ...02/new-lenses-coming-cr3/external link

Rebel T4i!
http://www.canonrumors​.com/2012/02/canon-rebel-t4i-cr2/external link

Looks like a really good source finally spilled the beans.

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Latest from canonrumors.com:
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5D Mark III/X
Below are the specs for the coming 5D replacement, the full name of the camera is currently unknown.

Specs

22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)

Emphasis mine. USD$3,500.00 - Ouch.

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I'll wait for the 40 or so MP variant. To each his own....

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Sounds good to me, if these specs are true then I'm totally fine with that. The $3500 would be MSRP? Perhaps around $3199 street or so?

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Leffe67 wrote in post #13944796external link
Specs

22mp
61pt AF
100% VF
3.2″ LCD
Dual CF/SD Card Slots
Price: Around $3500 USD
Announcement on February 27 or 28, 2012 (Depending where you are on earth)

Emphasis mine. USD$3,500.00 - Ouch.

The price tag is higher than I expected, but the specs are my dream specs!

My preorder stands.

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Numenorean wrote in post #13944827external link
Sounds good to me, if these specs are true then I'm totally fine with that. The $3500 would be MSRP? Perhaps around $3199 street or so?

Not sure there will be any "street" pricing for quite a spell.

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Ricku wrote in post #13944842external link
The price tag is higher than I expected, but the specs are my dream specs!

My preorder stands.

Same here!

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The 61 AF points and 6.9FPS is all I really needed to hear. The dual card slot is a bonus, but the price being $500 more than Nikon will be questionable at best.

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