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Old 27th of February 2012 (Mon)   #31
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Default Re: For MP-whores/landscapers get a Nokia

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I'm still confused.

Nikon D800: Full frame (35.9 x 24 mm) and the pixel size is ~ 8 micron.
D800 = 4.9 microns
D800 35mm sensor diagonal = 43.3mm
Nokia 808 = ~1.3 microns
Nokia 808 sensor diagonal = ~13mm

Making sense yet?? the crop factor is like ~3.3x.
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Old 27th of February 2012 (Mon)   #32
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Default Re: For MP-whores/landscapers get a Nokia

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D800 = 4.9 microns
D800 35mm sensor diagonal = 43.3mm
Nokia 808 = ~1.3 microns
Nokia 808 sensor diagonal = ~13mm

Making sense yet?? the crop factor is like ~3.3x.
Yep, crystal clear now, see I was interpreting that 1/1.2" incorrectly.

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Old 27th of February 2012 (Mon)   #33
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Default Re: Nokia 808 PureView 41 Megapixel Camera

Looks fine for shooting in lot of light. It's a nice technical achievement but I'd really like to see it used in capturing photographs. Like all camera phones there is no real AF system, no control of aperture etc.

Noise control is done by interpolation, more "ISO" == less pixels.
Zoom == less pixels.
Fixed 2.4 aperture.
No M Mode (Three shooting modes: Auto, Scenes, Creative). No choice or ISO?
Flash range max. 3.5m.
Very compressed originals (41MP to about 10MB)
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Old 27th of February 2012 (Mon)   #34
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Looks fine for shooting in lot of light. It's a nice technical achievement but I'd really like to see it used in capturing photographs. Like all camera phones there is no real AF system, no control of aperture etc.

Noise control is done by interpolation, more "ISO" == less pixels.
Zoom == less pixels.
Fixed 2.4 aperture.
No M Mode (Three shooting modes: Auto, Scenes, Creative). No choice or ISO?
Flash range max. 3.5m.
Very compressed originals (41MP to about 10MB)
True. I am a little surprised that, with as large as the sensor is, they did not put in some level of aperture control. I have not seen if RAW output is possible either.
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Old 27th of February 2012 (Mon)   #35
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They are very good, but I wanna see it blown up. Did they actually get better picture quality from all those pixels? I have doubt that that tiny lens can resolve 41mp on a 1/1.2" size sensor. Compare that to the new Nikon d800 on a full frame sensor with the latest lenses. It will end up being a waste of bandwith and storage space.

Actually, I just read that the camera will output 3, 5, and 8MP stills rather than 41MP stills. Only the sensor is 41MP, but the output photos will be far far smaller. Now this makes way more sense.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02...th-41MP-sensor

ISO 800 is NOT that impressive, even though it's impressive for a phone.

http://3.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...iew.jpg?v=1354
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Actually, I just read that the camera will output 3, 5, and 8MP stills rather than 41MP stills. Only the sensor is 41MP, but the output photos will be far far smaller. Now this makes way more sense.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02...th-41MP-sensor

ISO 800 is NOT that impressive, even though it's impressive for a phone.

http://3.s.img-dpreview.com/files/ne...iew.jpg?v=1354
Not that impressive?? Compared to what?? Compare that to a P&S, and it's pretty damn impressive!
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Not that impressive?? Compared to what?? Compare that to a P&S, and it's pretty damn impressive!
It's impressive for a phone, but my standard for a P&S is something like the Canon S95 or S100 since that's my recent experience. I think S95/S100 is cleaner than that. There's a lot of noise in that Nokia photo at 100% crop.
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medium format in a cell phone, wont be getting the D800 afterall. Thanks Nokia!
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It's impressive for a phone, but my standard for a P&S is something like the Canon S95 or S100 since that's my recent experience. I think S95/S100 is cleaner than that. There's a lot of noise in that Nokia photo at 100% crop.
There is some grain, because Nokia opted NOT to nuke the details and create a smooth watercolor painting. Go take a look at those S95/S100 shots again at ISO800, particularly in this kind of lighting. You will realize they are not as impressive as you remember.
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There is some grain, because Nokia opted NOT to nuke the details and create a smooth watercolor painting. Go take a look at those S95/S100 shots again at ISO800, particularly in this kind of lighting. You will realize they are not as impressive as you remember.
Maybe you're right. But once the 10 or 12mp is resized to Nokia's output, I can't say that Nokia's images are superior. But I don't recall all that grain on the S95, and the details aren't lost until 1600.

http://g1.img-dpreview.com/E5E7BD603...3B0A852786.jpg

http://g2.img-dpreview.com/E33D1B4C4...3DE80584A6.jpg

http://g2.img-dpreview.com/C24F8126D...4802F972D0.jpg

http://g3.img-dpreview.com/019329BC4...E5D7506230.jpg
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Maybe you're right. But once the 10 or 12mp is resized to Nokia's output, I can't say that Nokia's images are superior.
I think its going to be pretty close if you look at a downsized S100/S95 RAW that's been gently handled vs this silly phone. I'd love to see a formal comparison from someone in the coming weeks/months online.
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I love that you can make out individual hairs on that guy's head even in the darker areas at ISO800. I'd say that's very good and smartly gentle in the NR department. If this phone offers RAW, it could really be a winner! Shame Symbian is the OS you're stuck with.
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One of the main reasons I got full frame DSLR was the the ability to change DoF any way one seems fit. They can put 100MP in these phones and I still wouldn't care.

Impressive for a phone though...
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Default Re: Nokia 808 PureView 41 Megapixel Camera

Here are some sample images:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...era-revolution

Pretty impressive if you ask me. Just a shame it doesn't run Windows Phone. Hopefuly Nokia will do what they did with the N9 and rebrand it (Lumia) when WP updates again.
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One of the main reasons I got full frame DSLR was the the ability to change DoF any way one seems fit. They can put 100MP in these phones and I still wouldn't care.

Impressive for a phone though...
They're not trying to sell it to photographers.

It's a cool novelty, and it's for techies. Or people who want bragging rights and don't want to follow the "sheep" who buy iPhones and Androids.
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