Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies. Read More.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
Thread started 23 Feb 2012 (Thursday) 22:09
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Question about editing photos

 
drmaxx
Senior Member
908 posts
Gallery: 14 photos
Likes: 167
Joined Jul 2010
     
Feb 28, 2012 10:02 |  #16

stsva wrote in post #13971346 (external link)
Here's a shot at it. I used a black and white layer in "multiply" blending mode to tame the reds and yellows some, along with various other adjustments, but this is as far as I could get toward "normal" colors.

I am very impressed with your result! Care to show what 'various other adjustments' you did? I am especially interested in the sharpening process you used.


Donate if you love POTN

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
stsva
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,360 posts
Gallery: 45 photos
Likes: 284
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Northern Virginia
     
Feb 28, 2012 10:33 |  #17

drmaxx wrote in post #13982957 (external link)
I am very impressed with your result! Care to show what 'various other adjustments' you did? I am especially interested in the sharpening process you used.

Actually, because I was editing a JPEG I don't think I did any sharpening. I found that the B&W adjustment layer in multiply blending mode brought back the details in the feathers for the birds on the right that had just been blobs of color before. I did some fooling around adding color fill layers in various colors and probably other stuff I don't remember now, but that didn't really make much difference.


Some Canon stuff and a little bit of Yongnuo.
http://www.pbase.com/s​tsva/profile (external link)
Member of the GIYF
Club and
HAMSTTR
٩ Breeders Club http://photography-on-the.net …=744235&highlig​ht=hamsttr Join today!
Image Editing OK

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FreeLearningLife
THREAD ­ STARTER
Junior Member
Avatar
20 posts
Joined Feb 2012
Location: GA
     
Feb 28, 2012 16:39 |  #18

WOW! This thread is so helpful and full of info.

I went to a party this weekend and shot in raw & jpeg.

I was able to save some pictures by editing the raw shots. Some turned out really grainy once I edited them, but I haven't had any time to really sit down and look-the noise might be because my ISO was set high-I didn't have much time to catch shots because my youngest son was taking a lot of my time-I'd just point and shoot hope some of them took! LOL

So, is the software that came with the camera really good? Should I install it? I didn't because I have photoshop elements. Is there a reason to install the software that came with the camera in addition to elements?


Jesus-loving, skirt-wearing, redneck-hippie Homeschooling mom and total DSLR Newbie
Canon T3: Canon EF-S 18–55mm f/3.5-5.6 & Canon 75–300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

My blog (with lots of photos!) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FreeLearningLife
THREAD ­ STARTER
Junior Member
Avatar
20 posts
Joined Feb 2012
Location: GA
     
Feb 28, 2012 17:01 |  #19

ok so I"m not as good as you guys-but I"ll be honest and say I was a bit scared of raw, but here are just a couple of shots from this weekend that I was able to 'save' with editing, though I admit I have a long way to go, at least you can see who is IN the photo with editing LOL

This one turened out way too dark

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/6793392866_a72f50f701_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​793392866/  (external link)
Straight from camera (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

So I edited it so you could atleast identify the people in the picture. It has a lot of noise but at least I can see who's who.

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7198/6793398498_390e039835_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​793398498/  (external link)
Edited (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

And this this one was bit too bright

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/6939507111_0045398ee1_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​939507111/  (external link)
Straight from camera (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

so I toned it down a bit but then made the colors a bit vivid cause, I mean, it's super heros, super heros are vivid! :D

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7204/6939508065_1c5e3fb18c_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​939508065/  (external link)
Edited (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

I am well aware I have along way to go and lots to learn, but thought I'd share because if it weren't for these forums I would not have shot in raw and jpeg at the party and I"m always open to tips about how to improve.

Jesus-loving, skirt-wearing, redneck-hippie Homeschooling mom and total DSLR Newbie
Canon T3: Canon EF-S 18–55mm f/3.5-5.6 & Canon 75–300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

My blog (with lots of photos!) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tonylong
...winded
Avatar
54,640 posts
Gallery: 60 photos
Likes: 521
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Vancouver, WA USA
     
Feb 28, 2012 17:35 |  #20

I'd say you got some good mileage out of those Raw files!

Check out our Raw Conversion thread for some great work done by hundreds of POTNers:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=684360

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13985561 (external link)
WOW! This thread is so helpful and full of info.

I went to a party this weekend and shot in raw & jpeg.

I was able to save some pictures by editing the raw shots. Some turned out really grainy once I edited them, but I haven't had any time to really sit down and look-the noise might be because my ISO was set high-I didn't have much time to catch shots because my youngest son was taking a lot of my time-I'd just point and shoot hope some of them took! LOL

Well, shooting in low light calls for higher ISOs, which "amplifies" the collected light but also digital noise. In darker areas less light is collected, but the level of noise is the same so when the darker areas get amplified the noise shows up. So yes, the high amplification of a high ISO brings up the visible noise. The best approach is to get the best possible exposure using your aperture and shutter speed, and then to use the ISO that will give you the best level of brightness for those settings without blowing highlights.

But then, in your Raw processing software (or later in a photo editor) you can then apply noise reduction to help with the noise. That will be especially helpful in a dark image like your first one where boosting the underexposed shot will show a lot of noise if you had a higher ISO to start with.

So, is the software that came with the camera really good? Should I install it? I didn't because I have photoshop elements. Is there a reason to install the software that came with the camera in addition to elements?

The Canon Raw processing software Digital Photo Professional (DPP) is quite capable, especially for a "free" application, and I'd say that it has some good features that the Elements Raw processor lacks and so would recommend that you install it and give it a go!

You will hear a lot of talk here about Lightroom (as well as Aperture for Macs) and yes, their Raw processors have great capabilities that go beyond Elements and DPP, but at a price, and they have expanded features that do well for pros and "serious" amateurs who have a volume of photos to work with but for now get your skills up with DPP and Elements and take your time to explore the options!


Tony
Two Canon cameras (5DC, 30D), three Canon lenses (24-105, 100-400, 100mm macro)
Tony Long Photos on PBase (external link)
Wildlife project pics here (external link), Biking Photog shoots here (external link), "Suburbia" project here (external link)! Mount St. Helens, Mount Hood pics here (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
drmaxx
Senior Member
908 posts
Gallery: 14 photos
Likes: 167
Joined Jul 2010
     
Feb 29, 2012 07:58 |  #21

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13985680 (external link)
This one turened out way too dark. So I edited it so you could atleast identify the people in the picture. It has a lot of noise but at least I can see who's who.

QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​793398498/  (external link)
Edited (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

The noise here has nothing to do with the ISO setting. You always get noise if you have to brighten that strongly - not quite but almost independet of the ISO setting.
It is easier to darken a picture (as long as the highlights are not completely blown out) -- and actually a recommended method to get the best out of your camera.

But honestly: In situations where you are stressed with a kid, I would shoot in P-mode (and keep the ISO in automatic) or at least in AV-mode and not in M -- this way the keeper rate goes up - and you still have the possibilities to make adjustments if needed.


Donate if you love POTN

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FreeLearningLife
THREAD ­ STARTER
Junior Member
Avatar
20 posts
Joined Feb 2012
Location: GA
     
Feb 29, 2012 08:45 |  #22

Thank Tony. I had actually already started reading that thread :) I"ll install the Canon software soon and play around with it then, see what I can do with it.

Maxx-this was my first time in that type of situation with my camera, looking back I guess I should have switched from M to one of the presets, maybe next time ;)


Jesus-loving, skirt-wearing, redneck-hippie Homeschooling mom and total DSLR Newbie
Canon T3: Canon EF-S 18–55mm f/3.5-5.6 & Canon 75–300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

My blog (with lots of photos!) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
stsva
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,360 posts
Gallery: 45 photos
Likes: 284
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Northern Virginia
     
Feb 29, 2012 09:34 |  #23

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13989590 (external link)
Thank Tony. I had actually already started reading that thread :) I"ll install the Canon software soon and play around with it then, see what I can do with it.

Maxx-this was my first time in that type of situation with my camera, looking back I guess I should have switched from M to one of the presets, maybe next time ;)

Here's the approach I mostly use for exposure when shooting in M and RAW (except when shooting with flash; with flash, I usually set the camera to 1/200 or 1/250 to block out the ambient light and use the flash to illuminate the scene) - I find it works well in just about any situation, not the just the high contrast scenes he developed it for:
http://daystarvisions.​com/Docs/Tuts/DCExp/pg​1.html (external link)
To summarize his approach, take test shots metering off the brightest area in a scene, adjust your exposure upward until you find the point where you're close to but not yet at the point of over-exposing that brightest area (in other words, it's bright but you can still see the details in the image file in your post processing software), and figure out how many "stops" that is above the normal middle exposure indicated by the camera's meter. That gives you your camera's "exposure headroom". For most current cameras that headroom will probably be between 2 1/2 and 3 stops or so. When you have a scene with unchanging lighting, spot (or partial, if your camera doesn't have spot metering) off the brightest area in the scene, then adjust the exposure upward by the number of stops your camera has for exposure headroom.
If you use this approach, you sometimes will need to "drop" the exposure in post processing to some extent, but that's easily done. This approach will also help minimize noise at any given ISO setting.


Some Canon stuff and a little bit of Yongnuo.
http://www.pbase.com/s​tsva/profile (external link)
Member of the GIYF
Club and
HAMSTTR
٩ Breeders Club http://photography-on-the.net …=744235&highlig​ht=hamsttr Join today!
Image Editing OK

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
drmaxx
Senior Member
908 posts
Gallery: 14 photos
Likes: 167
Joined Jul 2010
     
Feb 29, 2012 11:12 |  #24

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13989590 (external link)
... looking back I guess I should have switched from M to one of the presets, maybe next time ;)

Just be aware the presets don't give you a raw files - this is why I suggested P.


Donate if you love POTN

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Preeb
Goldmember
Avatar
2,522 posts
Gallery: 48 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 133
Joined Sep 2011
Location: Logan County, CO
     
Feb 29, 2012 11:35 as a reply to  @ drmaxx's post |  #25

This is about the best I could get with what there was to work with. I used several of the color correction options in Elements, including levels, hue and saturation. It isn't that great, but the original was really hard to work with as it had very little color information aside from the reds.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


Rick
60D - EF-S 10-22 f3.5-f4.5 -- EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS -- EF-S 60mm f2.8 Macro -- EF 100mm f2.8 L IS Macro -- EF 70-200 f4 L IS w/1.4 II TC

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
FreeLearningLife
THREAD ­ STARTER
Junior Member
Avatar
20 posts
Joined Feb 2012
Location: GA
     
Feb 29, 2012 12:19 |  #26

stsva - thanks-I skimmed over it and it's a bit over my head at this point so I'm gonna sit down and study it tonight after the boys go to bed :)

drmaxx - well maybe if I used one of the presets I might not have needed raw files! LOL Which really is okay because I'm not a professional or selling photos or anything. That day was much more about capturing memories than taking a 'great' photo.

My favorite photo from the day is this one (it was his 16th birthday and he had a wrestling party and everyone got really into it and it was awesome!)

IMAGE: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/6941634881_a02b7514c9_z.jpg
IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …elearninglife/6​941634881/  (external link)
Macho Man (external link) by FreeLearningLife (external link), on Flickr

The original photo turned out really bad, dark, so I used photoshop to fix it up with some text for him. It's worth more than any 'great' photograph :)

Jesus-loving, skirt-wearing, redneck-hippie Homeschooling mom and total DSLR Newbie
Canon T3: Canon EF-S 18–55mm f/3.5-5.6 & Canon 75–300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens

My blog (with lots of photos!) (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
drmaxx
Senior Member
908 posts
Gallery: 14 photos
Likes: 167
Joined Jul 2010
     
Feb 29, 2012 14:26 |  #27

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13990901 (external link)
drmaxx - well maybe if I used one of the presets I might not have needed raw files! LOL Which really is okay because I'm not a professional or selling photos or anything.

I don't think that there is a need to choose. I am by far no professional nor proficient photographer. I am doing many things wrongly and frankly, in most circumstances (especially in situation with many people) I don't want to think too hard about the settings (white balance, ...) of my camera. So I take both (jpeg + raw) which gives me the freedom to make a good picture great if need should be. Having access to the raw file increases your freedom - if you don't have any need for that then just use the jpeg.

FreeLearningLife wrote in post #13990901 (external link)
That day was much more about capturing memories than taking a 'great' photo.

I think that's the most important motivation - but I don't think that there is a need to choose between capturing memories or taking great photos. It is actually very much fun to be able to capture the characteristic feeling of a moment in a good picture. And it is actually even more fun if other people can see the feel of the moment in your picture.

Personally, that is what is driving me to become better in photography. Not making a great picture that I can sell to an Australian on the other side of the world (no offense!) - but to be able to create memories that truly reflects the moment.


Donate if you love POTN

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

2,449 views & 0 likes for this thread
Question about editing photos
FORUMS Post Processing, Marketing & Presenting Photos RAW, Post Processing & Printing 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is thisisntme
753 guests, 395 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 6430, that happened on Dec 03, 2017

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.