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PW preliminary report on 580EX II failures.

 
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Mar 25, 2012 21:27 |  #166

Thanks, just emailed Pocketwizard, will update when they come to hand.


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Mar 25, 2012 23:10 |  #167

I like how people are blaming Canon for this issue. While only people that have PW are really having the issues.

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Mar 25, 2012 23:20 |  #168

If that was aimed at me I think you are off target.

I never said anyone was to blame, I want to see where Canon stands.


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Mar 26, 2012 00:17 |  #169

Hoppy1 wrote in post #14148947external link
I have half an idea that Canon might have fixed this problem with the new 600EX and EX-RT.

It is claimed to have been beefed up both on the hot-shoe and internally. No doubt we'll soon find out.


I don't think Canon cares if they work with the Flex/Mini. It's up to PW to make sure that happens.

If you are assuming these will work with the Flex/Mini straight out of the box, PW will probably need to test and update the firmware to work with the 1DX, 5DM3 and the 600EX until they get their hands on them. Until PW does that, it will not work.

I hope the Flex's don't start blowing up 600EX. Knowing PW's track record, they will put something out there fast, not test it properly and make you guys their beta testers just like the many that lost their 580EX II.

After losing 3 flashes, I switched to RP's and never lost a flash. RP also issued a statement that they never had problems like the 580EXII+Flex combo had. IMO, the report was total bs just to cover their own butts... Clearly if they 580EXII were as bad as the report made them out to be, everyone would be returning them for warranty.


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Mar 26, 2012 00:33 |  #170

BJWOK wrote in post #14153631external link
If that was aimed at me I think you are off target.

I never said anyone was to blame, I want to see where Canon stands.


I'm not sure why Canon needs to respond. They did not make their flashes to work with PW products. That is PW job. This problem only happens with PW Flex. The other ETTL trigger (Phottix, Radio Poppers, Pixel) have NEVER report this issue and this issue never surface until the Flex's were introduced. Coincidence? Hardly...

The 580EXII came out in 2007. These issues did not start happening until 2009 when the Flex's came out. :)


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Mar 26, 2012 01:19 |  #171

In many cases if a 580exii fails it'll either be under warranty or if people ship a flash for repairs its not publicly announced (most of the time).

I can say IMO the PW flex/580exii combo is putting your hands on a red hot stove element. You know you will get burned........ I dare to use this combo but lately its manual flash using the ac3 as the power level controller.

I hate ETTL since in many cases the exposure is not very consistent. Odd how very little complaints from 430exii users frying with PW flex???????????????

I still feel the 580exii is more of the culprit as a weak link.


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Mar 26, 2012 04:44 |  #172

I've read reports of users having both the 430exII as well as the original 580ex failing with the PW combo.

I know people say the 580exII fail without the PW's, but I'm curious if it's the same failure. As I've said before, it's a number's game. There are thousands of these 580exII flashes out there. Some are going to be faulty or fail for a hundred other reasons. I'm curious if the users who have said they had the same failure without any PocketWizards really know if it's the same thing. For instance, there's a lot of people that shoot ETTL. A lot of people on this board report full dumps from their flash and ask what's wrong, or how much to fix it. A lot of times it's as simple as a bad connection with the hot shoe putting the flash into TTL mode, hence a full dump. Then there's the many other reasons a flash can fail. Is it possible that some of the people who report 580exII failures are not experiencing the exact same failure as the ones described here?

Isn't it weird the Radio Poppers don't have any reported failures? All they do is piggyback the Canon system. There should be some failures with the RP system since they also do HSS. I used Pixel Knight triggers when they came out. Unbeknownst to me, they're always in a state of HSS. LPA's conclusion was that their triggers (which offer HSS) may be contributing to the bad design (bad QC, really) in a "perfect storm" scenario which causes the failures. Yet we don't hear about this problem with any other triggers.


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Mar 26, 2012 07:02 as a reply to klr.b's post |  #173

Yes there have been a number of reports of exactly the same 580exII failure without radio triggers used at all.

I can only vaguley ever remember one mention of the 430exII issue, and that may have been by PW themselves.

A lot of people switched to using the 430exII due to the better range and reliability. And if anything the 430's have to work harder, so if they did have an issue as well we would have heard a lot more about it.

I think that backs up PW's theory the 430exII has an improved vented reflector which as solved the issue to a larger degree atleast.

It will be very interesting to see what the 600ex is like.


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Mar 26, 2012 09:54 |  #174

BJWOK wrote in post #14153631external link
If that was aimed at me I think you are off target.

I never said anyone was to blame, I want to see where Canon stands.

Oh no, not you. Just the general feeling in this thread.

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Mar 26, 2012 11:55 |  #175

AlanU wrote in post #14153972external link
Odd how very little complaints from 430exii users frying with PW flex???????????????

I still feel the 580exii is more of the culprit as a weak link.


What everyone should find it odd, that there never was a mass problem between 2007- 2009 with the 580EXII.

This problem started being noticed late 2009 when PW users started when the Flex's were introduced. That fact nobody can deny.

The only weakness of the 580EXII is that it does generate a lot of RF noise, otherwise, it is a workhorse. If it was so noisy, wouldn't the PLUS II have an issue?

This is a sore subject with me... lol So many holes in that BS report from where im standing.


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Apr 02, 2012 00:42 |  #176

Aww crap. I just bought some flextt5 to run my 580ex ii in hopes of OCF HSS. Has this issue not been resolved yet? Craptastic. I knew I should have googled before investing in PWs.




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Apr 02, 2012 09:44 |  #177

Toneaero wrote in post #14194521external link
Aww crap. I just bought some flextt5 to run my 580ex ii in hopes of OCF HSS. Has this issue not been resolved yet? Craptastic. I knew I should have googled before investing in PWs.

The 580exii has never been my favourite flash to use simply because of the poor design from day one.

I've used my 430exii with no worry of frying.

One thing I love about the PW flex is using in conjunction with the AC3. Physical knobs that you can access by feel. I shoot manual most of the time indoors.


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