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5D MKIII for Wildlife and Birds?

 
J.Litton
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Apr 09, 2012 09:34 |  #1

What are the initial reviews with this camera for wildlife and birding? Is it a big upgrade from the 7D? Is it worth saving a few hundred bucks and getting this and not a 1DMkIV?


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Apr 09, 2012 15:15 |  #2

I also find this question interesting and have been anxiously waiting for someone in the know to make an informed comment, for the last 4 hrs or so :cool:


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Apr 09, 2012 15:49 |  #3

I have this same question, as I am considering replacing my 50D with a 5D MKIII, but I am hesitant to lose the 1.6 crop. I seem to crop most of my images, even with the 50D. I found this on "Birds as Art". The comments at the bottom address some of these concerns:
http://www.birdsasart-blog.com ...s-5d-mark-iii-im-in-love/external link


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Apr 09, 2012 17:03 |  #4

I would have thought that losing the advantage of a crop sensor would be no advantage for birds, unless close and big.


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Apr 09, 2012 17:04 |  #5

The AF is better than the 7D's but the pixel density is much lower thus less "range."


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Apr 10, 2012 08:06 |  #6

From what I understand, all the 1.6 crop is a full frame image that the sensor zooms in 1.6 and does an auto crop in essence of your image, so the zoom is really no higher, and if anything, its just less quality.


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Apr 10, 2012 09:47 as a reply to J.Litton's post |  #7

It's not so much about crop factor as it is about pixel density. The Canon 18MP crop sensors have a much higher pixel density that the Canon full frame sensors. The 7D packs 18MP into the same area as the 5DII has 8MP. This can make a significant difference in focal length limited situations, which bird and wildlife photographers frequently find themselves in.

Although I just bought a 5D3, I'm keeping my 7D, both for its greater reach (from its higher density sensor) and its 2 FPS higher shooting speed when I need them for birds and wildlife.




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Apr 10, 2012 10:03 as a reply to BHollis's post |  #8

The AF locking and tracking ability is on par maybe a bit better than 1D4 that I am currently own. Yes, 5dIII loses the reach but reach is not everything either. 5D III will allow you to shoot in poor lighting conditions(cloudy, early morning, dawn etc) since the file quality is real nice at higher ISO settings.
You can buy a used 1D4 for about the price of 5DIII, so it is your call. For my type of shooting, I prefer walking with my gear ready for any sudden action, so I prefer lighter body.

All with 5D III + ef400/5.6L

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Apr 10, 2012 10:05 as a reply to ruhikant's post |  #9

this might help

http://www.dougbrownph​otography.com ...i-vs-1d-mark-iv-high-iso/external link


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Apr 10, 2012 10:30 |  #10

J.Litton wrote in post #14234930external link
What are the initial reviews with this camera for wildlife and birding? Is it a big upgrade from the 7D? Is it worth saving a few hundred bucks and getting this and not a 1DMkIV?

I'd sure take a long, hard look at the 1dMkIV if birds/wildlife is what you're interested in shooting. It'd be hard to find a better body for that kind of work. If you need find you need full frame, get a 1Dx.




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Apr 10, 2012 10:34 |  #11

A good used mk4 can be had for bit less than a 5dmk3 .
its a case of IF you dont ever have to crop the 5dmk3 much then it would be as good as anyone could wish for BUT if you do have to crop most of the time say 50% then the mk4 would win every time imho.
i have been waiteing for a 1dmk5 or 7dmk2 so did not bother with the mk4 - now the mk4 is back on my list although im going to waite and see if Canon do bring out a 7D MK2.
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wayne.robbins
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Apr 11, 2012 04:35 |  #12

Seems to me, the best option is to have both options- a 5D III and a 7D !


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Apr 11, 2012 05:00 |  #13

wayne.robbins wrote in post #14246257external link
Seems to me, the best option is to have both options- a 5D III and a 7D !

I have settled with this two, as, whilst the 5D3 is GREAT for subjects a little closer I do need also the 7D for subjects that are more distant (even with a 500mm and 1.4TC I find that I just miss the reach this combo gives on the 7D).

If I were to give advice for someone, ie, the OP, I'd say it depends on how close you can get to your subjects. It'll work with the 5D3 but that loss of reach over the 7D means you do have to 'stalk' subjects a little more (I find). But that's fun, anyhow, right?

The AF on the 5D3 is, in my opinion, better than the 7D. Not that the 7D's is bad, but I am finding that the 5D3 nails it more frequently and for erratic moving subjects its got the edge as you can customise the AF rather more (with great results if you get it right).

So, I agree with the above: the 5D3 and the 7D are great bedfellows that will help cover a range eventualities and shooting scenarios.

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Jermainek
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Apr 13, 2012 04:53 |  #14

I've come to this conclusion... FF is amazing and I've been drooling over both the 5D III and the 1D X, I like to photograph people as well.

However for wildlife although it is indeed possible, there is a difficulty that we must address, the FOV of FF means that either you have to get closer to your subject or you crop in PP to gain a similar FOV to that of a crop sensor - you may not always be able to get any closer as different animals have differing flight zones and you may not want to crop 50% of your photos. That leaves lens choice - if you're an average Joe like myself then anything after 400mm will begin to cost you a small fortune (500 f4 II is currently £8,489, the 600 f4 II is £10,999 and the 300mm f2.8 II will cost you £6,000 with a 2x III. If you can afford those prices then I say go for it and if money was no object I'd get the 1D X, 200-400 and the 600 :)


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Apr 13, 2012 05:18 |  #15

I am wondering the same thing. But if I buy a used 1DIV now I can sell it in a few months for hardly any loss. Then buy a 5DIII at a lower price than currently. So I am looking for a used 1DIV at the moment. Besides which, no-one in Germnay has the 5D body only.


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