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Trade 50 1.8 for the 1.4?

 
killagbear
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Apr 15, 2012 06:18 |  #1

Been thinking of selling my 1.8 and getting the 1.4. Wondering if the 1.4 is all that it's chalked up to be? I've recently been hearing alot of complaints around the USM issue and would like to hear if that's a really big issue with current or past owners of the 1.4?


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Apr 15, 2012 07:46 |  #2

killagbear wrote in post #14268353external link
Been thinking of selling my 1.8 and getting the 1.4. Wondering if the 1.4 is all that it's chalked up to be? I've recently been hearing alot of complaints around the USM issue and would like to hear if that's a really big issue with current or past owners of the 1.4?

No issues with mine whatsoever. My copy is quite sharp even at 1.4, and once you get to 2.2 things REALLY get sharp. But the 1.8 is no slouch either...what is causing you to want an upgrade?


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Apr 15, 2012 07:55 |  #3
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killagbear wrote in post #14268353external link
Been thinking of selling my 1.8 and getting the 1.4. Wondering if the 1.4 is all that it's chalked up to be? I've recently been hearing alot of complaints around the USM issue and would like to hear if that's a really big issue with current or past owners of the 1.4?

I used to have one and sold it before the motor fails on me - best decision i've ever made.

Build quality left a lot to be desired, soft at wide aperture, it's not that much of an upgrade from the 50 1.8 imo.

If 50mm focal length is your thing, consider Sigma 50. THAT is what you call a real upgrade.


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Apr 15, 2012 08:06 |  #4

Sigma 50mm is risky I think is not even worth it


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Apr 15, 2012 11:40 |  #5

kin2son wrote in post #14268603external link
I used to have one and sold it before the motor fails on me - best decision i've ever made.

Build quality left a lot to be desired, soft at wide aperture, it's not that much of an upgrade from the 50 1.8 imo.

If 50mm focal length is your thing, consider Sigma 50. THAT is what you call a real upgrade.

Sigma 50 is a real solid upgrade from either of canons two cheaper offerings. My sigma 50 and 135l complement each other well.


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Apr 15, 2012 11:47 |  #6
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Sigma 50 would be a better upgrade for its build and optic, but then you'll be playing the Sigma lottery.

I'm looking for one as well.


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Apr 15, 2012 11:48 |  #7

I have had the Canon 1.8 and the 1.4. The Sigma slaughtered them both.


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Apr 15, 2012 11:50 |  #8

I tried 3 Sigma 50's - right after it came out. They all went back. Really liked the feel/built and look of it but I couldn't find one that worked.
I might try again, I see mixed reports on them now - maybe Sigma has put some sort of QA in place.




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Apr 15, 2012 12:06 |  #9

With the canon 50mm F1.8 vs 1.4, the 1.4 is what I have. The 1.8 optically is the best of all the 50mm in canon's lineup, even over the 1.2L but it is the least frills of them all. The 1.4 is the best compromise between the build and optics(with the expectation of the 50mm F1.8 mk I, it has better build in my opinion, just lacks FTM focus, and is the same exact optics as the mk II). It is worth it for me just for the overall build and mostly because my 50mm F1.8 mk I is having focusing issues and just hunts unless I clean the contacts regularly.

The issue with the AF system is because canon did not use a ring USM for focus and instead used a micro USM, which is basically a micromotor AF motot that works on the principal of USM motors. And as such, to get FTM focus with that motor they had to create a complex clutch system to allow it. The system works very well and is very reliable. The issue comes from that the lens elemets extend as it focuses towards the MFD. So if you were to have the lens extended and happen to hit the lens hard enough, you will damage the gears internally. This lens has the issue more then any other and is why people think there is an issue. But in reality, if you hit any lens hard enough it will break, and this is handled simply by having a hood in place and making sure to store the lens at infinity(which also makes the lens smaller).

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Apr 16, 2012 13:51 |  #10

The Fox wrote in post #14269595external link
With the canon 50mm F1.8 vs 1.4, the 1.4 is what I have. The 1.8 optically is the best of all the 50mm in canon's lineup, even over the 1.2L but it is the least frills of them all. The 1.4 is the best compromise between the build and optics(with the expectation of the 50mm F1.8 mk I, it has better build in my opinion, just lacks FTM focus, and is the same exact optics as the mk II). It is worth it for me just for the overall build and mostly because my 50mm F1.8 mk I is having focusing issues and just hunts unless I clean the contacts regularly.

The issue with the AF system is because canon did not use a ring USM for focus and instead used a micro USM, which is basically a micromotor AF motot that works on the principal of USM motors. And as such, to get FTM focus with that motor they had to create a complex clutch system to allow it. The system works very well and is very reliable. The issue comes from that the lens elemets extend as it focuses towards the MFD. So if you were to have the lens extended and happen to hit the lens hard enough, you will damage the gears internally. This lens has the issue more then any other and is why people think there is an issue. But in reality, if you hit any lens hard enough it will break, and this is handled simply by having a hood in place and making sure to store the lens at infinity(which also makes the lens smaller).

Nick

Aah got it.

Can the people advocating for the sigma tell me why it's a better upgrade? And if the newer versions are less of a crapshoot? Or are the focusing problems still there?

If the AF problems are really persistent than I'd rather get the 1.4 and save the $100


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Apr 16, 2012 15:23 |  #11

My Canon 50mm 1.4 feels cheap, but it focuses accurately, something my 50mm 1.8 could not do.
The Sigma feels much better.
If you want to protect the AF mechanism of the Canon 50mm 1.4, buy a $5 ebay hood and glue it (not literally) to the lens.




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