Why is Canon losing at base ISO? - Page 11

andrikos · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Can we all agree that if the 5D mkIII had the D800 sensor, it'd be "game over"?

No?

KCY · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrikos

Can we all agree that if the 5D mkIII had the D800 sensor, it'd be "game over"?

No?

nope, because the 5D4 is what the 5D3 should have been

elitejp · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrbdmb

Seems like a reasonable approach. What's isn't so reasonable are those (not you of course) who call the 5D3 "Canon Latest Flop" or those in this thread who claim the only reason some ask for more DR is because they can't or won't expose properly. These types of arguments just introduce more noise to what could be a useful discussions of the relative benefits of the recent Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

Very well said. Unfortunately its like kindergarten in here and everyones trying to scream the loudest.

stsva · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numenorean

Look at this guy's photo. Man what the heck! It's so bad. I mean couldn't he have done some HDR or pulled some more light into those shadows in Lightroom or something? It's just horrible! What kind of crappy camera was this with anyway?

jrbdmb · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numenorean

Look at this guy's photo. Man what the heck! It's so bad. I mean couldn't he have done some HDR or pulled some more light into those shadows in Lightroom or something? It's just horrible! What kind of crappy camera was this with anyway?

I didn't know that Ansel had access to a 5D Mk II back in 1942 when he shot this photograph. Much have been a very early pre-release version.

Seriously, I'd get it if you said that their are benefits of the 5D2 / 5D3 that outweigh the DR advantages of the D800. But you have implied several times in this thread that photographers only ask for more DR because they are incompetent and unable to expose properly.

Mike55 · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Thanks for the replies, folks. BTW, no need for bickering. The Nikon clearly has the superior sensor. Now let's all hug and take some photos with the gear we have.

bomzai · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike55

Has Canon really fallen this far behind?

Yes it has in sensor DR or NSR in the shadows.

But I still think that, generally, shots taken at mid-day sun suck no matter the PP. Large DR does work well for sunset/sunrise shots though, but so do GND filters (despite uneven horizon and what not).

Tadaaa · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Wow! It's in a totally different league... Respect!

tancanon58 · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Watch these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTo7...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9Ee...feature=relmfu

bomzai · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tancanon58

Watch these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTo7...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W9Ee...feature=relmfu

Nice find, makes me itchy to go out and shoot

tonylong · 26th of April 2012 (Thu)

Well, this has certainly been one of those "amusing" threads

!

I for one have not problem appreciating the qualities of the D800 regarding shadow detail/low noise, and the higher resolution is nice as well, sure it is!

But, I do manage, currently shooting with my trusty ol' 5DC. And I can't waste the time and energy to get caught up in the Canon vs. Nikon bickering that tends to break out!

If I had the funds, hey, I'd have the best of both

!

Lowner · 27th of April 2012 (Fri)

Tony,

If I had the funds I'd go medium format. Forget all this small format rubbish.

Camera_User87 · 27th of April 2012 (Fri)

After reading over 11 pages of this thread I must say that for me the DR is also quite important.
I shoot mostly portraits, but I am not so much into studio environments as they can feel fake so I try locations that might seem a little more natural.
And in this particular shot I think a D800 could have helped me severely as the 5d MK II lost some highlights in the background here. There was just no way I could have used a filter either since the girl is surrounded by the highlights.

Untitled by Not Living, Just Killing Time, on Flickr

I love Canon, and their products but I am disappointed to see the 5d MK III dynamic range to hardly be better than the 5d MK II´s.
For me, everything is important at times. Sure, fast FPS can be important too, and so are the ergonomics. But at the end of the day its the right mix of all the features that are important.

KCY · 27th of April 2012 (Fri)

As you were exposing for the subject the D800 would not have helped you with hightlight recovery.

What the D800 would of helped with would be if you metered for the highlights, which would of caused the subject to be underexposed, then pulled that exposure back up in post.

bomzai · 27th of April 2012 (Fri)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCY

As you were exposing for the subject the D800 would not have helped you with hightlight recovery.

What the D800 would of helped with would be if you metered for the highlights, which would of caused the subject to be underexposed, then pulled that exposure back up in post.

Exactly, and no matter how good D800 is, for THIS particular purpose it would have been a poor decision, because you would sacrifice quality on the subject to questionable improvement of background.

If you gonna shoot against backlit background - (gel-ed) stobes are your friends!

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tonylong ....winded Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 47,187 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Why is Canon losing at base ISO? Well, this has certainly been one of those "amusing" threads! I for one have not problem appreciating the qualities of the D800 regarding shadow detail/low noise, and the higher resolution is nice as well, sure it is! But, I do manage, currently shooting with my trusty ol' 5DC. And I can't waste the time and energy to get caught up in the Canon vs. Nikon bickering that tends to break out! If I had the funds, hey, I'd have the best of both! __________________ Tony Two Canon cameras (5DC, 30D), three Canon lenses (24-105, 100-400, 100mm macro) Tony Long Photos on PBase Wildlife project pics here, Biking Photog shoots here, "Suburbia" project here! Mount St. Helens, Mount Hood pics here

27th of April 2012 (Fri)	#162
Lowner "I'm the original idiot" Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Salisbury, UK. Posts: 11,330 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Why is Canon losing at base ISO? Tony, If I had the funds I'd go medium format. Forget all this small format rubbish. __________________ Richard http://rcb4344.zenfolio.com

27th of April 2012 (Fri)	#163
Camera_User87 User is banned from forums Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 61	Re: Why is Canon losing at base ISO? After reading over 11 pages of this thread I must say that for me the DR is also quite important. I shoot mostly portraits, but I am not so much into studio environments as they can feel fake so I try locations that might seem a little more natural. And in this particular shot I think a D800 could have helped me severely as the 5d MK II lost some highlights in the background here. There was just no way I could have used a filter either since the girl is surrounded by the highlights. Untitled by Not Living, Just Killing Time, on Flickr I love Canon, and their products but I am disappointed to see the 5d MK III dynamic range to hardly be better than the 5d MK II´s. For me, everything is important at times. Sure, fast FPS can be important too, and so are the ergonomics. But at the end of the day its the right mix of all the features that are important.

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KCY Unlocked the hidden 117 point AF Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: I wish I knew... Posts: 7,054 IMAGE EDITING OK	Re: Why is Canon losing at base ISO? As you were exposing for the subject the D800 would not have helped you with hightlight recovery. What the D800 would of helped with would be if you metered for the highlights, which would of caused the subject to be underexposed, then pulled that exposure back up in post. __________________ KC - The Circle of PoTN - Member of the UCPC My Gear\|My Smugmug\|Pong

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