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tigerfan79
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May 14, 2012 20:27 |  #1

Been really enjoying this hobby for over 3 years now....studying, practicing,etc. I still have my original body and lenses and looking to upgrade a bit. I've got a 50d w/ a 10-22 f/3.5-4.5 and the 18-200 f/3.5-5.6. I'm planning on keeping the 50d and the 10-22, but it's time to move on from the 18-200 and replace it with a couple faster, sharper lenses.

I've pretty much decided to replace it with the canon 17-55 f/2.8 IS and the sigma 70-200 f/2.8 OS. Problem is, I'd like to go for one now but will likely wait a year or two before the other as we have some other family projects coming up. I don't really "specialize" in a particular area, just dabble all over....landscape, wildlife, family, etc. But one of the main reasons for wanting to upgrade is b/c I now have a nearly 2 yr old son and a new 3 month old son. I find myself really needing a faster glass for indoor fun and portriats. Also even in the outdoors my 2 yr old is VERY active and fast. I'm getting a bit too many throw-aways and missing some great stuff at certain times of the day.

Based on that, any recommendations on what should be first between the 17-55 or the 70-200? Keep in mind I could supplement the missing range with the 18-200 in the interim. Also, getting the 70-200 and also a 50 f/1.8 II would be an option for me at that price. I know I'm still missing the focal range but it would still be a bit wider and a lot faster indoors. Any help/thoughts???


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Canon 24-105 f2.8L IS | Canon 85 f1.8 | Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EX OS | Canon 10-22 f3.5-4.5 |
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May 15, 2012 05:40 |  #2

Capturing a ~2 year old in the house; get a good shoe-mount flash, such as the 430EX II or 580EX II. Even f/2.8 likely won't be fast enough to freeze the action indoors, without flash.


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DBNissan
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May 15, 2012 05:47 |  #3

since you are talking about capturing your boys, go for the 17-55 f2.8 IS USM. It's a fantastic lens on the 50D.


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May 15, 2012 06:10 |  #4

take a look at your images, if you dont really ever use the range between 24-50, i would go for the 50/1.8 and the 70-200, sure there will be gaps but those gaps you can get around. the will have the main focal lengths covered.


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Trique ­ Daddi
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May 15, 2012 06:10 |  #5

I just bought the Sigma 17-50mm 2.8 OS to replace the Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 no VC and can endorse either one. The Sigma focuses better in low light and is built better. The Sigma would save you about $300 or more and the Tamron sells for about $400 or so. Apply the savings to the second lens choice.

Happy shopping!


Canon 7D, 40D, 20D, CANON 100-400mm IS 4.5/5.6L, Canon 70-200mm 2.8L, Canon 50mm 1.8, Canon 100mm 2.8 macro, Kenko Extension Tubes, Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS, 580EX II Flash,Gittos MH 5580 monopod, Thinktank Airport Takeoff.

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jnaks
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May 15, 2012 06:47 |  #6

unless your kids play a lot of soccer (long field with wide depth) I would go with the 17-55. best walk around for a crop and will give you decently fast indoor ability with a range you can actually compose with indoors.

also agree with 1Tanker in the a flash will become necessary unless you live in a cool glass house or you want to delve into primes...it's a dangerous place to go (just kidding, I love it, but it gets pricey and addictive). and even then, that's not always fast enough without turning up the ISO sometimes.


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DStanic
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May 15, 2012 06:53 |  #7

Get a flash before anything. Used 580ex is a great buy.

I was close to buying the Sigma 17-50 before I bought the 5D. Looks like a nice lens for the price. I have used the Canon 17-55 though and it is amazing (aside from mediocre build quality). I don't even own a 70-200 at the moment but everybody's style is different.


Sony A6000, 16-50PZ, 55-210, 35mm 1.8 OSS
Canon 60D, 30D
Tamron 28-75 2.8, Tamron 17-35, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 85mm 1.8

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May 15, 2012 08:36 |  #8

Get a Sigma 30 f/1.4 and later you can get the 70-200.


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rick_reno
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May 15, 2012 08:51 |  #9

agree with the flash suggestions, it'll be important. kids get faster as they get older (to a point), and you'll want something that will freeze action - and with two boys, you'll have more than enough action.




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May 15, 2012 08:54 |  #10

1Tanker wrote in post #14433865external link
Capturing a ~2 year old in the house; get a good shoe-mount flash, such as the 430EX II or 580EX II. Even f/2.8 likely won't be fast enough to freeze the action indoors, without flash.

A big + on that comment.

Outside for children:
I highly recommend a lens that zooms to at least 200mm when photographing children. I like to sit low (on the ground) and follow them as they play.

I often use f/2.8 to blur a distracting background. Seldom is it used because of poor light. When light begins to get low enough to need f/2.8, conditions rapidly deteriorate to the point action photography becomes impossible.

Suggestions:
1. Get a good flash!
2. Get a good lens (lenses) with the focal length(s) that fits your style. Give priority to shorter focal length if funds are an issue, keeping your 18-200 in the interim. Remember that f/2.8 will likely be too slow without a flash when inside.
3. Get an f/1.4 prime lens if you want something fast.

I chose the 24-105 over the 17-55 because of the extra focal length, no regrets. That is another often debated issue. It is $909.95 out of a kit here: http://www.cameta.com ...NO-Original-Box-25429.cfmexternal link


Canon 7D Mark II w/Canon BG-E16 Battery Grip; Canon EOS 50D w/Canon Battery Grip; Canon SL1; Tokina 12mm - 24mm f/4 PRO DX II; Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS; Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS; Canon 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS; Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM; Canon EF 300mm f/4L IS; Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM; Canon Extender EF 1.4x II; Canon Extender EF 2x II; Canon Speedlite 430EX II Flash
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tigerfan79
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May 15, 2012 10:01 as a reply to rick_reno's post |  #11

Thanks for the responses. I actually do have a 430 exII with a diffuser. I use it quite often and it helps tremendously. It is still something that I need to keep practicing to get more natural looking light. So just looking for a faster, sharp lens to give me a little more reason not to use it if I don't have to.

Seems like a mixed bag of suggestions. Interesting about the sigma 17-50. That may be an option as well to save money to put toward the second lens. Started to look in this forum for feedback on the sigma. Anyone have any head to head comparisons with the canon 17-55 on sharpness? Also, regardless of focal range, any significant differences in sharpness and autofocus between the sigma 70-200, sigma 17-50, and the canon 17-55?


Canon 5D Mark III | Canon 50D gripped
Canon 100 f2.8L | Sigma 70-200 f2.8 EX OS |
Canon 24-105 f2.8L IS | Canon 85 f1.8 | Sigma 17-50 f2.8 EX OS | Canon 10-22 f3.5-4.5 |
Canon 18-200 f3.5-5.6 IS

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Trique ­ Daddi
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May 15, 2012 12:56 |  #12

Maybe the Sigma and a Flash. The flash will b very useful. Search the Sigma on the forum and you will find a lot of feedback on it.
Happy Shopping!


Canon 7D, 40D, 20D, CANON 100-400mm IS 4.5/5.6L, Canon 70-200mm 2.8L, Canon 50mm 1.8, Canon 100mm 2.8 macro, Kenko Extension Tubes, Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS, 580EX II Flash,Gittos MH 5580 monopod, Thinktank Airport Takeoff.

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DStanic
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May 16, 2012 07:01 |  #13

tigerfan79 wrote in post #14434772external link
Seems like a mixed bag of suggestions. Interesting about the sigma 17-50. That may be an option as well to save money to put toward the second lens. Started to look in this forum for feedback on the sigma. Anyone have any head to head comparisons with the canon 17-55 on sharpness? Also, regardless of focal range, any significant differences in sharpness and autofocus between the sigma 70-200, sigma 17-50, and the canon 17-55?

I think I remember reading that the Sigma may be slightly sharper in the center, but the Canon is a very very sharp lens. I think it has pretty good reviews. The only thing is (if I'm not mistaken) it doesn't have ring-USM (HSM for the Sigma) so the focus may not be quite as fast.


Sony A6000, 16-50PZ, 55-210, 35mm 1.8 OSS
Canon 60D, 30D
Tamron 28-75 2.8, Tamron 17-35, Sigma 50mm 1.4, Canon 85mm 1.8

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