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themadman wrote in post #14552346external link
Good thing all those people buying a T4i are buying a CAMERA and not just a SENSOR eh? This is also an entry level camera, I highly doubt many people who buy these even edit much on a computer. No editing means you won't see the increase in DR anyways.

If you buy a D3200 you don't get...

1. DoF preview button
2. flash control
3. 5FPS Shooting (only 4FPS)
4. HSS
5. AEB
6. 9 cross types

Plus you don't have Nikon's build in af motor so older lenses will not af and i personally think 24MP is way too much for an entry level APS-C sensor camera (I think 18MP is too much as well). Due to the high pixel density, it will take good lenses and good technique to shoot nice crisp shots... unfortunately, most people buying an entry level camera lack good lenses and good technique.

Hogwash about the high-pixel density requiring hi$ lens or technique... anyone in the market for a D3200 sure as hell doesnt have Nikkor AF lens so the screw drive issue is moot.

Lastly the 3200 is Nikons bottom level body is it not? So its not prudent to compare body features with a t4i series especially in a thread discussing image quality. Which we all know Canon sensors in any range cannot compete with Nikon's on any level.

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jthomps123 wrote in post #14552892external link
Ha... yeah right. They will notice better quality jpegs? HAHA. No. They will notice the name, hey every other mother has a 'Rebel'.... it 'must' be better.

They sure as heck aren't buying it because of Andre Agassi anymore, that's for sure. :D

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http://nikonrumors.com ...t-aps-c-camera-ever.aspx/external link

See how meaningless dxo marks can be, if you don't understand things? I don't believe for a second the 3200 is as good a camera as the d3s. I have a 6mp camera and the images look fine.

edit: dxo never seems to like canon sensors. don't know why.

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jwcdds wrote in post #14552932external link
They sure as heck aren't buying it because of Andre Agassi anymore, that's for sure. :D

Image is everything my friend! LOL.

Not sure who is shilling for them nowadays... but rest assured anyone not doing their homework before buying cares nothing about Digic5's jpeg processing improvement, nor would they even notice.

First time DSLR buyers who do their homework will buy a Nikon, rather than a camera leaning on a 4 year old sensor. Soccer moms probably outweigh the first time enthusiast so Canon probably made a strategically smart move in rehashing their crappy sensor into a new body that mommies all over will devour, but lets not pretend this isnt a valid topic for a 'gearhead' forum.

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cameraperson wrote in post #14552955external link
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See how meaningless dxo marks can be, if you don't understand things? I don't believe for a second the 3200 is as good a camera as the d3s. I have a 6mp camera and the images look fine.

Who is claiming so? The camera is entry level, but the sensor is better than just about anything Canon can offer on any level.

A second shooter of mine has been using a D3200 on gigs and has captured awesome results. It's video is crisper and holds much more resolution than my 5d3, and is every bit as good (although I prefer the 5d's colors).

Post #20, Jun 08, 2012 21:27:59


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jthomps123 wrote in post #14552906external link
Hogwash about the high-pixel density requiring hi$ lens or technique... anyone in the market for a D3200 sure as hell doesnt have Nikkor AF lens so the screw drive issue is moot.

Lastly the 3200 is Nikons bottom level body is it not? So its not prudent to compare body features with a t4i series especially in a thread discussing image quality. Which we all know Canon sensors in any range cannot compete with Nikon's on any level.

Care to provide some explanation on this clearly erroneous comment?

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But let's also not forget gearheads don't drive the entry-model market. We can discuss until we're all blue in the face but Canon's the one laughing while running all the way to the bank suckering more people to buy a 4 year old 18mp sensor. So obviously IQ is not a concern because they've now added an iPod touchscreen. Thanks to Apple and their touchscreen devices, Canon can ride the coattails and sucker people into buying their newest Rebel (disregard the cobwebs on the sensor).

Every kid/teenager in the past 5 years have owned, touched, or wanted a touchscreen device. It's become 2nd nature in today's world. And the T4i fits nicely as another touchscreen device to go along with their iPhones and iPads.

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jthomps123 wrote in post #14552972external link
Who is claiming so? The camera is entry level, but the sensor is better than just about anything Canon can offer on any level.

A second shooter of mine has been using a D3200 on gigs and has captured awesome results. It's video is crisper and holds much more resolution than my 5d3, and is every bit as good (although I prefer the 5d's colors).

I've seen great results on many cameras.

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themadman wrote in post #14552974external link
Care to provide some explanation on this clearly erroneous comment?

I dont really care to but I will in this case to stop the spread of erroneous dogma that seems to permeate the internet.

A hi-res sensor doesn't automatically make you take less sharp photos than you were taking with you last camera just by virtue of having more resolution. Camera shake might be more noticeable due to increased detail but will in NO WAY reduce ANY picture takers ability to produce the same exact prints they were taking with their previous camera. Now obviously if they were wanting to take advantage of the higher res sensor to make larger prints than better lens/technique could very well come into play... but this is surely a great 'problem' to have... IMO. But even then we are talking just a 6mp increase from 18, nothing like jump to the D800's resolution where lens/technique come into real play for pixel peepers.

Post #24, Jun 08, 2012 21:38:41


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jwcdds wrote in post #14552979external link
But let's also not forget gearheads don't drive the entry-model market. We can discuss until we're all blue in the face but Canon's the one laughing while running all the way to the bank suckering more people to buy a 4 year old 18mp sensor. So obviously IQ is not a concern because they've now added an iPod touchscreen. Thanks to Apple and their touchscreen devices, Canon can ride the coattails and sucker people into buying their newest Rebel (disregard the cobwebs on the sensor).

Every kid/teenager in the past 5 years have owned, touched, or wanted a touchscreen device. It's become 2nd nature in today's world. And the T4i fits nicely as another touchscreen device to go along with their iPhones and iPads.

Preaching to the choir my friend. I already stated this above... but thats immaterial to the topic @ hand –*which is Canon's 18mp apsc sensor's ability to compete with Nikons in the arena of IQ. This is a gearhead forum, this is exactly the kinds of things that get discussed. I dont think the OP's intention was to initiate a conversation on how good the t4i's sales figures will look in comparison...etc.

Post #25, Jun 08, 2012 21:42:17


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themadman wrote in post #14552346external link
Good thing all those people buying a T4i are buying a CAMERA and not just a SENSOR eh? This is also an entry level camera, I highly doubt many people who buy these even edit much on a computer. No editing means you won't see the increase in DR anyways.

If you buy a D3200 you don't get...

1. DoF preview button
2. flash control
3. 5FPS Shooting (only 4FPS)
4. HSS
5. AEB
6. 9 cross types

Plus you don't have Nikon's build in af motor so older lenses will not af and i personally think 24MP is way too much for an entry level APS-C sensor camera (I think 18MP is too much as well). Due to the high pixel density, it will take good lenses and good technique to shoot nice crisp shots... unfortunately, most people buying an entry level camera lack good lenses and good technique.


The camera is the sensor, period. All the fluff and crap in the world doesn't matter if the sensor isn't up to snuff.

18mp is too many pixels for a 1.6 crop sensor. Images looks waxy and noisy.

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jthomps123 wrote in post #14552906external link
Hogwash about the high-pixel density requiring hi$ lens or technique....

Sure it does. You'll lose considerable hand-holding ability. 18mp on a 1.6 crop sucks. It's a significant leap back towards the consumer super zooms like the Canon S2 and Panasonic FZ 30, except now you get much more weight and bulk.

There's just something *wrong* about how Canon's images look now. They are getting whipped in this area.

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Mike55 wrote in post #14553054external link
Sure it does. You'll lose considerable hand-holding ability. 18mp on a 1.6 crop sucks. It's a significant leap back towards the consumer super zooms like the Canon S2 and Panasonic FZ 30, except now you get much more weight and bulk.

There's just something *wrong* about how Canon's images look now. They are getting whipped in this area.

Hmm, apparently its something even cheap IS zooms can eliminate then? Never had a problem hand-holding my 7D with long lenses (af thats a whole notha problem). I have a couple newbie friends with D3200's and getting super sharp shots with afs55-200 lenses... all of this on a *gasp* 24 mp sensor. Yeah - 24mp is nothing to be afraid of, seriously. I jumped from 1ds2 to a 5d3 and the real-world resolutions difference is negligible, and the increase in 'blurry' shots have been zilch.

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Hogloff: They didn't really improve the sensors in their flagship cameras ( 5D3 and 1DX ), I don't see them improving on the sensor in their lower entry level cameras.

What is your point? That the sensor of the T4i is the same as that of T3i or 60D? Is this based on actual test results or presumptions? Please show me the test/performance results for the T4i sensor.

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david8476 wrote in post #14553318external link
Hogloff: They didn't really improve the sensors in their flagship cameras ( 5D3 and 1DX ), I don't see them improving on the sensor in their lower entry level cameras.

What is your point? That the sensor of the T4i is the same as that of T3i or 60D? Is this based on actual test results or presumptions? Please show me the test/performance results for the T4i sensor.

I just said they made no attempts to improve the sensors in their flagship cameras, why would they spend their sensor R&D on entry level cameras. Just using logic and my years of watching the way Canon works.

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