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Zoom H1 or Rode video mic pro?

 
Darvex
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Jul 29, 2012 14:08 |  #1

Hi all!

I have recently just purchased my 600D/T3i and I am looking for a good external mic for my DSLR :)

I know these are two completely different mics, from a shotgun mic to an actual recording device, however I would like some input on what to buy out of these two.

I enjoy shooting short films that involve some speech, also interviews for documentary style things, this is mainly what I am after, and yes being outside does mean a lot to me, so would the video mic pro in this case be the better one as it can have a wind shield? Or can the Zoom H1 get a wind shield too?

I am a media student at college in the UK at the moment and hope to continue within media through university next year, and on my budget at the moment, I couldn't afford anything more than the price of the rode video mic pro

Thanks.




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Brian_R
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Jul 29, 2012 14:48 |  #2

both mics can have a wind shield. you have to chose what type of mic you need the most to be able to complete the job you are working on. while the rode video mic is great if you are plugging it straight into your camera the AGC will mess up whatever audio you get anyway. it will be nice but you will get that lovely hiss that is oh so annoying lol.

honestly an awesome combo would be to run a rode videomic into a H1. the benefit of the H1 is externally recorded audio. when shooting dslr video the best audio you can possibly get will be recorded externally not straight into the camera. you have far more control using an external recorder. i honestly would suggest getting the H1 and cables to hook mics up to it and adapters for mics with XLR cables that way you can try and borrow what you need rather than using a mic straight into your dslr and not getting the best possible audio that you desire. also the H1 can be put on a boom pole and used as a boom mic which is very cool although you are limited to that X/Y mic setup rather than a unidirectional shotgun on a boom pole like what most people do.

its all about getting the best with what you have but you have to make sure your tools can do as much as possible because its tough to do your best work if you limit the tools you have available to yourself. that being said its possible to do a great job with less but there are certain points where quality will suffer no matter what ;)




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liverpool ­ 1
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Jul 29, 2012 16:43 |  #3

Hi. I shoot 30 weddings a year and my Olympus voice recorders beat the zoom h1 and rode hands down. In fact I sold my two rodes and only use the zoom as back up as the voice recorders are excellent. But??? Depending on your positioning of the lapel mic on the person attached to the recorder is important? You may hear the odd ruffle of the mic now and again. So to be safe would be a boom pole or stick with the zoom on the end near the subject. But make sure the zoom is set no lower than 90 on the sound level as if the zoom is far away from the subject it will be low.




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Jul 29, 2012 17:35 |  #4

A Zoom H1 (or Tascam DR-05) will give you far greater flexibility to use as either/or a stereo mic plugged into the camera, or as a remote recorder.

The Rode is mono where as the the recorder is stereo so can also be used to gather ambient sound.

The Rode needs to be plugged into the camera, the recorder can be placed where ever best suits the sound collection. A recorder continues to record sound even when you move to reframe. A recorder (on a stand) will not change volume/sound characteristics as you move around, fiddle with your camera, point it in different directions etc etc.

As noted above you can plug specialist mics into the recorder (lavs etc.) so it will still be in your kit bag years later long after the Rode has been sold on eBay.

I am now looking at upgrading my Tascam DR-05 to a DR-40 (if only I'd bought the Dr-40 in the first place) but will still keep the DR-05 for the reasons as noted above.

If sound is important it is worth having a back up. The Rode is a one trick pony and, and not a very good trick at that.


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Brian_R
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Jul 29, 2012 20:53 |  #5

liverpool 1 wrote in post #14786821external link
Depending on your positioning of the lapel mic on the person attached to the recorder is important? You may hear the odd ruffle of the mic now and again. So to be safe would be a boom pole or stick with the zoom on the end near the subject.

um you shoot that many weddings and have the odd ruffle of the lavalier mic? im confused as to why you have that as a question... you need to learn how to properly mic a person up. i may have only been shooting video for about 4 years now but when i mic someone with a lavalier for the travel show i work on i never get ruffling noises from improperly attaching the mic on a person's clothes. if you are placing the microphone in such a way to avoid it being seen you need to find a different audio solution because its unacceptable on productions that i work to not have crystal clear audio. just my advice i mean no negative criticism only to help ;)




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Jul 30, 2012 11:28 |  #6

One thing the Rode can do better than the Zoom is directional pickup. If you're planning to record primarily voices and don't want to individually mic the speakers, the Rode may work better for you than the Zoom.
I'm not biased against Zoom - I own both an H1 and an H4N, as well as a Videomic Pro. Just need to use the right tool for the job.


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jkim3381
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Aug 08, 2012 09:20 |  #7

I would just use both and record the Rode into the Zoom. Since your recording dialogue, I highly recommend you use a boom pole to get the most clarity from your audio.




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Gantoris
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Aug 08, 2012 13:38 |  #8

Hi Darvex,

I too am a budget videographer with a T3i.

I've got the Zoom H1 and love it. Yes, it feels like a toy, but it is simple to use and picks up some really good audio. I love that it is so portable and you can hide it anywhere.

For short films and interviews the H1 is the way to go because you can hide it right out side the camera's view. I have even thrown it on a home-made shock mount and boom pole, made from a monopod (yes I know it's not directional, but still works well).




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liverpool ­ 1
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Aug 10, 2012 21:25 |  #9

Brian_R wrote in post #14787791external link
um you shoot that many weddings and have the odd ruffle of the lavalier mic? im confused as to why you have that as a question... you need to learn how to properly mic a person up. i may have only been shooting video for about 4 years now but when i mic someone with a lavalier for the travel show i work on i never get ruffling noises from improperly attaching the mic on a person's clothes. if you are placing the microphone in such a way to avoid it being seen you need to find a different audio solution because its unacceptable on produ that i work to not have crystal clear audio. just my advice i mean no negative criticism only to help ;)

What I meant was the odd occasion the groom may have undone his coat or messed with his flower, it sounds like your clients are still, my clients on vows and speeches are stood up and move.i attach under the lapel under the flower on the jacket. Maybe I should place somewhere else??? Wot you think




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Brian_R
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Aug 11, 2012 11:17 |  #10

i work on broadcast television shoots where we do not try to hide a lavalier microphone. if you are getting sound of the mic rubbing against clothes because you are trying to hide it and do not want to be able to see it in the video then you need to use a different type of mic lol. i would suggest looking into either placing external recorders around the wedding and syncing later, small boom mic (have to pay someone to operate it), or something else that is creative. the downfall of lapel mics is the fact that they pick up a lot of extra stuff like the ruffle of clothes and everything around it and any jewelry that person might be wearing just ruins what you are trying to get. thats why we dont rely on only one type of microphone system to record sound.

the people i work with do not stand still and generally we record a lot of walk and talk interviews with people that have as much experience being mic'd up as your clients so they are not aware of the do's and dont's, the talent obviously has plenty of experience as they host the segments we record but that doesnt make up for the interview subjects. if the people we worked with did in fact stay still we use a boom microphone instead of a wireless lavalier as we get much higher quality off a boom in most cases




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