Rumored Canon 6D

[Yohan Pamudji]

22MP FF sensor, 7D AF and build quality, 4 FPS, $2K--sold!

[borism]

Originally Posted by Yohan Pamudji

22MP FF sensor, 7D AF and build quality, 4 FPS, $2K--sold!

I would doubt that Canon will give the 6D the weather sealing of the 7D.
But if it is under 2000 with decent AF system it has my name on it, I haven't jumped on a 5D2 because i didn't have the money, but this Camera might come at the right time with the right features, I hope it is real, and i think it is as Nikon looks to be serious with the D600.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Originally Posted by borism

I would doubt that Canon will give the 6D the weather sealing of the 7D.
But if it is under 2000 with decent AF system it has my name on it, I haven't jumped on a 5D2 because i didn't have the money, but this Camera might come at the right time with the right features, I hope it is real, and i think it is as Nikon looks to be serious with the D600.

Forgot that 7D had "weather sealing". As mediocre as the sealing is I'd be happy to skip it. I really just meant the sturdy magnesium alloy body. I don't think I could deal with a creaky plastic body for $2K.

[rwhardy]

Originally Posted by wayne.robbins

The whole thing is - how much would they be cutting into their own sales. Rationally, they'd have to hold back on one or several features - to make it WORSE than the 5D3, for example. There needs to be differentiation between models- or people start migrating to the cheapest model that does what they need it to.
For example, if they gave it 22 MP - just like a 5D2/5D3- they cut into those sales - unless they cut back on a lot of other stuff.. They'd have to cut features out- like handicap it with a 9 point AF, or limit it to 12 MP, or give it 3FPS, etc... Leaving out smaller features- like MFA- really does not count.

So, if you had a 5D3, with 61 point AF, 6 FPS, etc - and you were, say a portrait photog or wedding photog- - the 5D3 is really a replacement camera for your business.. Now, let's throw into the market- a camera that costs under 2K, has 22MP, 5 FPS, and 19 point AF system- would you buy the new camera or the 5D3 ? It's too darn similar- in my opinion.. Sales of the 5D3 would dissipate- most would decide that they didn't need the 5D3 and dump them. Those looking for a 5D3- would now go after a BNIB xD - whatever it is called. New sales of 5D3's would essentially stop. That sounds good for Canon.

wayne, i was following this until the end. you think that dropping the 5diii would be good for canon?
i agree that it has to be well below the 5diii in features. but, i think the 5diii consumer and the 1dx consumer are very different.
i think introducing an entry level ff is ultimately designed to fill a demographic gap that will also introduce future 5diii (maybe iv by then) buyers. i would agree that some potential 5diii buyers would opt for the less expensive option.
i think the 5diii is more of an "all around" body, though. excellent a/f, handles low light well and has a respectable fps.
i'm not going to shoot kodiak bears while wading through a stream with it, but i'm going to do more than keep it in a studio or wedding chapel.
that's why i say make it a 5dc with live view, auto iso and a cheaper body.

[rwhardy]

do you think that canon pays someone to read these threads? it would be a pretty cheap form of market research.

[Billginthekeys]

Originally Posted by rwhardy

do you think that canon pays someone to read these threads? it would be a pretty cheap form of market research.

If they do I bet they spend most of the time laughing at people's requests.

[rick_reno]

Originally Posted by rwhardy

do you think that canon pays someone to read these threads? it would be a pretty cheap form of market research.

if they do, the message back to product development would be "It doesn't matter what we make, they'll buy it."

[Unregistered.Coward]

Originally Posted by bbb1919

Why aren't we on the rumor section?

Why are you wasting time policing the forums when they're hundreds of people out there not crossing the street in designated crosswalks.

[joe1946]

Originally Posted by CameraMan

Aren't Rebels the entry level cameras? Wouldn't a FF Rebel be more practical like a 1250D FF but with the Digic 5. Shutter speeds no more than 1/4000 (typical Rebel) but with Full Frame? I could see that selling for $899 to the beginner market. Bigger sensor with all of the limitations of the current Rebel lineup. It's doable...

$899 FF ? I don't think so since FF sensors cost many times more than APS-C sensors.

Production costs for a full-frame sensor can exceed twenty times the costs for an APS-C sensor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR

[borism]

Originally Posted by rick_reno

if they do, the message back to product development would be "It doesn't matter what we make, they'll buy it."

TRUE:
Canon would say: Yes the users will complain about XYZ feature lacking but they will buy it anyway

[Almondsaz]

I would have thought that Canon would focus more on the next generation 7D which has been rumored for a long while. Will be interesting to see if this comes to market in October and what the specifications finally are. Does make you wonder if Canon just leaks potential products to see how it would be perceived in the market space. I haven't had a Canon camera yet I didn't like....will be interesting to check it out.

[HSVBOS]

It's all good to say a full frame rebel series camera.

BUT... How many rebel shooters would afford to kit out with 'full frame glass'. You would need either 1) a way to fit efs lenses, or 2) use kit L lenses like the 24-105, with would drive up the price of the base kit.

My two cents, and personally don't see it economically viable to bring out a 'budget' full frame camera.

[Lowner]

Originally Posted by rwhardy

the number of people that will spend the money it would take to buy a re-vamped 1ds body compared to the number of people that would buy an entry level ff body is miniscule. from a business stand point high volume sales vs. very low volume sales in a sluggish world economy makes a lot of sense. maybe they lose a 3rd of their market share of the professional photographers but they gain a larger portion of a much larger demographic. also, the 1/3 figure is pulled out of the air. how many people will just up and change to another brand if they have tens of thousands invested into their existing kit? how many people that get to step into full frame photography at a discount will also upgrade a lens or two? i think it would be a brilliant move. the entry level body is made with more economical materials and probably sells at a respectable profit margin and i'd bet that lenses generate a lot more profit than bodies. so, sell the bodies and you have a large group of consumers committed to buying your lenses.

I see your thinking of course, but I disagree. Canon already have cameras (note the use of the plural there) in the sector we are discussing that are perfectly adaquate.

In a global recession they need some very clear thinking and I don't think such a camera as this will bring the rewards they expect simply because there are already so many cameras chasing a fixed market size. And this while completely ignoring another sector of the market for a number of years.

[Desertraptor]

Why not an entry level FF between XXD and XD
The 7D was pretty pointless I thought. It should have been FF

[Lowner]

The 7D may well be the last. I assume it was late in development before Canon decided that FF was the future.