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Canon EF 35 1.4L not for outside modelshoots ?

 
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Nov 12, 2012 17:59 |  #1

I know a good photographer who does nice model studioshoots, workshops,...
He says that a 35L isn't interesting and thinks is more for corporate shooting, e.g. a doctor with his hospital on picture, a shopkeeper with his shop next to him,...

Basically he works with the 24-70 2.8L & 70-200 2.8L II for his studioshoots, he works on average on 1/125 f7-f8 and iso 200.

In studio 35L isn't interesting offcourse as you work at higher apertures.
But don't you find it outside interesting for models with background + nice bokeh ?

Or do you consider this lens more to use in lowlight and less for modelling with background and should I better use 24-70 2.8L ? Also when it's getting slowly dark most photographers use their flash I think and the 24-70 has also nice bokeh.

I see less and less use for my 35L :(


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Nov 12, 2012 18:11 |  #2

35mm on a FF camera doesn't lend itself to good perspective with models, unless standing well back and taking in the model as part of a scene (such as a doctor with his hospital in the picture, or a shopkeeper with his shop next to him). It has it's uses, of course, for when you want some perspective distortion but I wouldn't want to use it often.

F/1.4 on FF gives very little DoF and unless you shoot your models facing straight on to the camera, you are not likely to get both eyes in focus. Again, OK occasionally for something different but I wouldn't want to use it often. F/2.8 is wide enough for good subject separation, but still lets you keep the whole face sharp.

I wouldn't say the 35 f/1.4 can't be used for model shoots, but on a FF camera it wouldn't be a regular choice for me. The "traditional" preferred focal length for models is 85 to 135mm, and I like the 70-200 f/2.8 for that (or a prime).




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Nov 12, 2012 18:40 |  #3

dont see anything wrong with that. Compression you shoot with longer FL works better for models IMO.


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Nov 12, 2012 20:31 |  #4
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CanonYouCan wrote in post #15238274external link
But don't you find it outside interesting for models with background + nice bokeh ?

Nice bokeh? I don't think the 35L has it. Also to get any decent bokeh, you'll have to get so close to your model and distort them, which is totally pointless for outdoor.

I see less and less use for my 35L :(

Same here. Mine is going real soon.


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Nov 13, 2012 11:29 as a reply to kin2son's post |  #5

would you maybe buy a cheap 28 1.8 or 35 f2 instead to have something fast, cheap and reasonable wide ?


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Nov 13, 2012 11:59 |  #6

Thinking of getting rid of mine (also getting rid of 135L) and probably investing in the new 24-70 II.


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Nov 13, 2012 12:14 |  #7

Have you looked at Dankata's work on the 35L sample photo thread? His outdoor environmental work with models is outstanding. I think it also makes an excellent lens for shooting groups in the studio. I won't be selling mine.


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Nov 13, 2012 13:13 as a reply to bob_r's post |  #8

Yea there probably is someone somewhere that does not like the 35L, I am not one of them. To each their own I find it very interesting outside with all types of photography so I will keep using mine. I have thought of trading it for a new Fuji X200 when they get around to making one as long as they keep it the same focal length.

The 24-70 is easier to use but I am more satisfied when I use the 35L plus something longer.




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Nov 13, 2012 15:04 |  #9

bob_r wrote in post #15240918external link
Have you looked at Dankata's work on the 35L sample photo thread? His outdoor environmental work with models is outstanding. I think it also makes an excellent lens for shooting groups in the studio. I won't be selling mine.

his work is great regardless of the lens he uses. He has a good understanding of perspective control and it shows in his work, but tbh, there are some poor shots that do no justice for the models in the 35L thread. His shots with the 35 arent really model type shots from what I recall, those are done with the 135.

Dankata's work with the 135 is fantastic.


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Nov 13, 2012 15:19 |  #10

It is so very personal! You can check my gallery, I have done some studio work, but it is beyond boring for me and I just can't motivate myself to get locked in a studio, use artificial light,always F/5.6,etc,etc....borin​g background.

I am in love with the natural, ambient life...I love people outside in their environment...I like nice boken, so for me portraits that tell a story is something exceptional.

I do not think that your friend (with all respect) has a broad enough understanding of photography and imagination if he believes that 35L is for corporate shooting. Quite the opposite:-)

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I know a good photographer who does nice model studioshoots, workshops,...
He says that a 35L isn't interesting and thinks is more for corporate shooting, e.g. a doctor with his hospital on picture, a shopkeeper with his shop next to him,...

Basically he works with the 24-70 2.8L & 70-200 2.8L II for his studioshoots, he works on average on 1/125 f7-f8 and iso 200.

In studio 35L isn't interesting offcourse as you work at higher apertures.
But don't you find it outside interesting for models with background + nice bokeh ?

Or do you consider this lens more to use in lowlight and less for modelling with background and should I better use 24-70 2.8L ? Also when it's getting slowly dark most photographers use their flash I think and the 24-70 has also nice bokeh.

I see less and less use for my 35L :(


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Nov 13, 2012 15:23 |  #11

35L is not an easy lens to work with because it will demand a lot more skills from a photographer - a lot more attention to detail, better understanding and interpretation of the environment and also an ability to frame things that will work together just perfectly to tell the story.

You do not have to think about this when you use 135L.


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Nov 13, 2012 15:51 |  #12

No but if you see Dankata's work you would keep all lenses, cause of his 135L work I re-bought this great lens even on top of my 70-200 2.8LII, he also uses 24-70 2.8L I now.

bob_r wrote in post #15240918external link
Have you looked at Dankata's work on the 35L sample photo thread? His outdoor environmental work with models is outstanding. I think it also makes an excellent lens for shooting groups in the studio. I won't be selling mine.


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Nov 13, 2012 15:55 |  #13

Well actually it's a top photographer, maybe he doesn't know the 35L quiet well
Checkout his gallery's, models come from far for his work :)
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light_pilgrim wrote in post #15241707external link
I do not think that your friend (with all respect) has a broad enough understanding of photography and imagination if he believes that 35L is for corporate shooting. Quite the opposite:-)


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Nov 13, 2012 16:03 as a reply to CanonYouCan's post |  #14

Basically, bokeh and thin DOF is not necessarily the "end all and be all" of photography. Sometimes you want to have more in focus, sometimes you need to be a little further away to prevent distortion, sometimes to want a zoom for framing.

Use what works for you and gets the results that you (and your client) want. That is what your friend is doing. Different strokes for different folks.


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Nov 13, 2012 17:45 |  #15

i love the 35L for outdoor portrait model shoots.

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cant remember was this with the 24L or 35L... almost the same thing. wide thin dof look

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try it and use it since you have one. its all personal preference



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