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Upgrade 50d to 7d or 5d mkii why do I fell guilty towards the 5d mkii

 
mark2009
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Dec 17, 2012 21:47 |  #1

I really like my 50d, mostly shooting my son high school and now college basketball, but he is injured and might not play again. My wife has said go buy a new camera.
The 7d I feel not that excited, I get better focus (more keepers)
I feel more excited about getting a 5d mkii, I look at the images and they are,stunning.
Or, do I wait u till January and see if the 7dmkii might come out. Budget is under $2000 for body.....
What do I do?




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Yetihenry
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Dec 17, 2012 22:12 |  #2

I'm also trying to decide whether to get the 5D2 or 7D, however I think you are missing out a very good option: 1D mk3, if you're excited about the 7D autofocus, and 5D full frame creaminess, then a 1D would fit the bill, and you would be able to get a very low actuation/clean model well within budget.


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Yetihenry
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Dec 17, 2012 22:13 |  #3

You would also need to replace you're 50-250, so keeping some money for an ef 70-200 would be worthwhile.


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Dec 17, 2012 22:15 |  #4

The 50D isn't worth that much nowadays. You could keep it and get a 5D MkII




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Dec 17, 2012 22:51 |  #5

I would keep the 50D and get better lenses. A 70-200mm F4L or F2.8 will bring your camera to life. Or add external lighting can help also. I am still amazed that just adding one light makes a night and day difference in the image.

Nick


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Dec 17, 2012 23:05 |  #6

Depends upon what you shoot....

If it's mostly action and sports, then either stick with the 50D (which is quite capable) or go to the 7D. You could expect a slight improvement in your keeper rate with 7D, just don't expect a lot. I shot with three 50Ds for a while and got 94-95% of my shots acceptibly within focus. Switched to a pair of 7Ds and, after an initial struggle to learn to use them well, now get probably about 96-97% of my shots acceptibly in focus.

It's not the 50D. With either7D or 50D, lenses make a bigger difference than the camera. Most of what I use (all of what I use for sports/action) are reasonably fast focusing USM lenses.

5DII is not a good camera for action/sports. I use one for portraiture, landscapes, architecture, some macro.... One Shot mode stuff. Not AI Servo shooting.

If you want a full frame camera that does both, you'll need to make the stretch to the 5DIII... or perhaps the 6D (supposedly a bit better at AI Servo work than 5DII, but not as good as 5DIII).

The problem with switching to full frame is that the cost of the camera is just the tip of the iceberg of the expense. You are also going to have to replace at least three of your lenses. The selection of lenses for FF is smaller, too... And the lenses for FF tend to be bigger, heavier and more expensive. I was lucky... I shot Canon film cameras long before I shot digital, so I already had a bunch of full frame capable lenses. I only own one crop only lens (a Tokina 12-24/4) and when I added the 5DII to my kit a few years ago only bought one lens specifically for FF (135/2L).

Full frame can be nice, but crop cameras are pretty darned capable and can be a better choice for a lot of people and will serve most purposes very well. And the 50D is a reasonably high resolution and fairly capable model. Sure, 7D is an upgrade... but really not as huge a step up as it might seem.

Basically, I'd suggest keeping your 50D a while longer and start get some better lenses. If you decide to stick with crop cameras, continue to use EF-S lenses as they are a very good value. The 15-85 is excellent. So is the 85/1.8 (assuming that's the lens you reference in your sig). Replace the 55-250 with one of the 70-200s. Worlds of difference in focus speed and accuracy. If at all possible, get one of the IS models. IMO, it's worth it. Check out the size, weight & cost of the f4 and f2.8 models to decide between them.

If you are determined to go to FF, I'd suggest to still keep shooting with the 50D for a while longer and start converting your lens kit to FF capable lenses a bit at a time. There are a number of possibilities, depending upon your needs.

Either way, lenses will give you more bang for your buck, than a new camera.

If you do decide to go to a 7D, well it's nearly always a "fool's game" to wait for new models of lenses or cameras to come out. There's just no predicting it. Just within the past few months Canon released a major firmware upgrade for the 7D. I doubt they would have done that if they had a replacement model just around the corner.


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Dec 19, 2012 07:10 |  #7

^ This is good advice... I'll just add a +1 to the 'upgrade you lenses' path...


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Dec 19, 2012 08:01 |  #8

Alan Myers can always be counted on; to give good advice...




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bobbyz
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Dec 19, 2012 08:30 |  #9

The Fox wrote in post #15379891external link
I would keep the 50D and get better lenses. A 70-200mm F4L or F2.8 will bring your camera to life. Or add external lighting can help also. I am still amazed that just adding one light makes a night and day difference in the image.

Nick

Agreew ith Nick. Besides 85mm f1.8, I don't see any nice lens. Maybe I am L snob.


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AlanU
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Dec 19, 2012 09:45 |  #10

I urge you to start shooting raw and use the xrite passport w/LR3 or 4 sticking with your 50D. This will be an eye opener for bumping up image quality. Personally I'd rather use a 50D instead of a 7D. The 7D seems more difficult to clean up noise in post.

Your gear lineup is geared for crop bodies. I would be very suprised if canon pulls off making a crop sensor that steers away from the current 7d noisy characteristics. This is the reason why I say change your ways in post processing your 50D and ride with this body for a while. Putting things into perspective for slow moving subjects my olympus OMD micro 4/3 camera produces superior photos over a 7D in low light. My 5dmk2 overall is a far better camera than my M43 but my point is technology has come a long way.

Sorry to hear your son injured himself. Does this mean your primary use of a faster camera is not needed as much? The 5dmk2 is a bargain now and the jump in IQ from a 50d (60d, 7d) is massive in terms of noise control and overall IQ. The only issue is that it has slow AF and no cross sensors in the outer focus points. The price of the 5dmk3 will not drop for a good 4 years since its new. The 5dmk2 (new) will get slimmer in availability very soon.

I'd say a (full frame compatible lens) 24-70Lmk2 is expensive but will slot in nicely with your current lenses. Buy that and you'll have a pretty good walk around that will surpass the IQ of most of your lenses (except your primes). Lenses will make a difference in your creative control. The camera body is part of the equation too. Remember the creative eye behind the camera that produces good content makes up for a crappy photog with a higher end body.


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