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200-400 f/4L IS 1.4X Announcement

 
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May 14, 2013 12:53 as a reply to post 15931351 |  #76

Just think how nice it would be on the soccer field to shoot 560mm at the far end of the field and just flip a lever and zoom out to 200mm at will. The same for a football game. Baseball would be great to be able to shoot at the closest base and get full bodies or switch to capture the center fielder against the wall.


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May 14, 2013 12:55 as a reply to post 15931351 |  #77

This is from the email I received from B&H. The bold text shows a hard case is included.

The new Canon EF 200-400mm f/4L IS USM Extender 1.4x Lens is a telephoto-zoom lens for Canon EOS cameras that features a constant f/4.0 maximum aperture, Ultrasonic Motor focusing, three Image Stabilizer modes and an integrated 1.4x extender to effectively increase the maximum focal length to 560mm. The optical construction has been optimized and incorporates one fluorite lens and four Ultra-Low-Dispersion elements to minimize chromatic aberrations throughout the zoom range. Full-time manual focus override, AF stop buttons, a focus preset and a focus limiter function are available as well as a Power Focus mode to provide smooth, electronically controlled focusing that is well suited to video applications. The lens comes with a dedicated lens hood, accessory monopod mount, a drop-in gelatin filter holder and a fitted hard case for protecting and carrying the lens and its accessories.


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May 14, 2013 12:57 |  #78

I am hoping a whole bunch of people who bought the 400 2.8 IS II switch to the 200-400. Maybe then I can find a good deal on a used 400 v2 to upgrade from my v1. :)


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May 14, 2013 13:02 as a reply to rdalrt's post |  #79

By the way, if anyone is interested, here's B&H's hands on review of this lens.

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com ...f4l-usm-extender-14x-lensexternal link


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May 14, 2013 13:07 |  #80

navydoc wrote in post #15931397external link
This is from the email I received from B&H. The bold text shows a hard case is included.

Well then, that price is very reasonable if it includes a case.:)




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May 14, 2013 13:11 |  #81

umphotography wrote in post #15930408external link
A nice clean used 500F/4 is looking better and better......12K.... Please

If you can buy a BMW, buy a BMW. Don't be angry on the price of a Lamborghini...

This lens has a very, very specific market for. I think almost exclusively for sports and maybe safari for professionals.
If price is in any way your concern, you don't need it, nor should buy it :)

Personally, if I could justify buying it, I would, in a heartbeat.

Btw, I wonder if you can stack another 1.4x extender on it.
That would be wicked :D


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May 14, 2013 13:13 |  #82

So why is the 200-400 priced to high? It's price right between the 500 and 600.

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The price seems about right since it's 560mm with the built in 1.4x, when compared in this fashion. Then if you take into account that it can quickly be switched from 560mm to 200mm or anything in between it seems like a bargain compared to the primes.

I'd love to own this lens for it's versatility (would be perfect for my varied used of telephotos) but it's price and weight(for what I'd mostly use it for) are to high for me. I'll likely rent one of these if/when I go on safari, but for my normal shooting I'll stick with my 70-200, 300 f2.8(I'll be picking up in the next week or so) and TC's. I'll also be looking at what the new 100-400 II will bring tot he table in the future as it will likely be priced within my budget.



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May 14, 2013 13:25 as a reply to lovemyram4x4's post |  #83

It's probably been pointed out already, but in the UK, the retail price is GBP12000 which is over USD18000!

Interestingly, it's the most expensive in the range: the 600II is a mere GBP10500.

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May 14, 2013 13:31 |  #84

Billginthekeys wrote in post #15931351external link
I mentioned that alternative in my first post. I am certain that the 200-400 will perform better at F4 than the 120-300 w/ a 1.4x TC, but then the 200-400 also isn't capable of F2.8 at any focal length. And not to be superficial, but the new 120-300mm design is amazingly sleek, and does not have any air of cheapness or "2nd best-ness" about it.

I agree.

As far as switching out the TC vs. not having to- consider this- when I had a Sigma 120-300 OS, I would often mount a Canon 2xTCIII to it, making it a 240-600mm f/5.6 lens. That's a big range you can use without dealing with switching out TC's, and if outdoors often times f/5.6 is enough.

IQ was great for my purposes (racetracks). Sure, it was big and heavy, but so is the new 200-400.

So really...if you want to try and compare apples to apples, I'd compare the Sigma 120-300 OS with a quality 2XTC against the new 200-400, and determine if the (assumed) increased IQ, one stop of light, and 40mm on the short end (but an extra 40mm on the long end), is worth the extra $8,000. Nevermind the fact that the Sigma can also do f/2.8 and f/4 work if you are willing/able to change TC's.




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May 14, 2013 14:08 |  #85

gocolts wrote in post #15931513external link
So really...if you want to try and compare apples to apples, I'd compare the Sigma 120-300 OS with a quality 2XTC against the new 200-400, and determine if the (assumed) increased IQ, one stop of light, and 40mm on the short end (but an extra 40mm on the long end)

You do know the Sigma 120-300 is falls a bit short?
It's more like 270 on the long end.
So actually a bit shorter than the 200-400.

Sorry for the thread-jacking.
Move along.. nothing to see here..


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May 14, 2013 14:11 |  #86

Billginthekeys wrote in post #15931351external link
I mentioned that alternative in my first post. I am certain that the 200-400 will perform better at F4 than the 120-300 w/ a 1.4x TC, but then the 200-400 also isn't capable of F2.8 at any focal length. And not to be superficial, but the new 120-300mm design is amazingly sleek, and does not have any air of cheapness or "2nd best-ness" about it.

Of course not! But that said the question is of course how much better the 200-400 is..

In the 120-300 thread theres some jaw dropping images done with the 2x TC that i certainly wouldnt call "Soft" lol

-edit- and Kilobit, until the 200-400 is tested we dont know if its actually a 200-400.. Many lenses are not "quite" what they say they are... the Nikon 70-200 for instance is more like a 135mm at its MFD...


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May 14, 2013 14:16 |  #87

gocolts wrote in post #15931513external link
I agree.

As far as switching out the TC vs. not having to- consider this- when I had a Sigma 120-300 OS, I would often mount a Canon 2xTCIII to it, making it a 240-600mm f/5.6 lens. That's a big range you can use without dealing with switching out TC's, and if outdoors often times f/5.6 is enough.

IQ was great for my purposes (racetracks). Sure, it was big and heavy, but so is the new 200-400.

So really...if you want to try and compare apples to apples, I'd compare the Sigma 120-300 OS with a quality 2XTC against the new 200-400, and determine if the (assumed) increased IQ, one stop of light, and 40mm on the short end (but an extra 40mm on the long end), is worth the extra $8,000. Nevermind the fact that the Sigma can also do f/2.8 and f/4 work if you are willing/able to change TC's.

You had the Sigma? I'm trying to learn more about that lens, since it's been mentioned in this thread, and it has been an odd learning experience thus far.

On the one hand there is a 222 page thread enthusiastically discussing the lens - http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=934592 - which is an impressive long-lived discussion. Yet I had to do a forum search in "Lens Sample Photo Archive" just to find this little 13-page thread: http://photography-on-the.net ...ghlight=sigma+120&p​age=13 for some image samples.

So, there seems to be a big disconnect in that people are enthusiastic about discussing the Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8, but don't seem excited about actually using one, or posting images from it. I'm sure I'm just missing something here, so I'm asking for a little help/guidance.

My apologies for going off-track, but I'm genuinely curious. I've been hoping for Canon to announce an improved 100-400 mk II, but maybe I should be considering the Sigma? Price-wise I imagine it would be about the same as a 100-400 mk ii. I recognize the Sigma is a much heavier lens, but the idea of shooting 420 @ f/4 and 600mm @ f/5.6 for that price is very appealing. Why did you sell yours? Thanks! :)

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In the 120-300 thread theres some jaw dropping images done with the 2x TC that i certainly wouldnt call "Soft" lol

Is this the thread you're speaking of? http://photography-on-the.net ...39709&highlight=sig​ma+120


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May 14, 2013 14:21 |  #88

I wonder how much the TC will hit on the AF ? ? Will it compare with say the 400/5.6 for BIF ? ? Not that I'm in the market for it, I didn't realise just how much the MK2 super telescope were until 'lovemyram4x4' posted that above. This lens will separate the pros from the amateurs as to who can get the shot I suppose
I'd like to see side by side's of it against the lowly 100-400 and the 400/5.6 especially the prime......... I mean, how sharp can these lens go until they hit the buffers.........


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May 14, 2013 14:24 |  #89

David Arbogast wrote in post #15931636external link
Is this the thread you're speaking of? http://photography-on-the.net ...39709&highlight=sig​ma+120

http://photography-on-the.net ...ead.php?t=934592&pa​ge=222

That one, anything by Gabe is just jaw dropping.. lol


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May 14, 2013 14:26 |  #90

KenjiS wrote in post #15931668external link
http://photography-on-the.net ...ead.php?t=934592&pa​ge=222

That one, anything by Gabe is just jaw dropping.. lol

Thanks. And that is impressive! :)


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