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Help me decide: Sigma 10-20mm or 8-16mm

 
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Jun 13, 2013 09:04 |  #1

Hi, I am trying to add a wide zoom to my tool kit. I currently have the 18-55 kit, 55-250mm, and the nifty 50. I want something wider and to fill out the rest of my focal range. I am debating between the 10-20mm and 8-16mm sigma, or equivilent lenses. I plan on using the lens for landscapes and cityscapes. Any suggestions on which I should get?

I was initially leaning towards the 10-20 as it is cheaper, but the 8-16 would give me those two extra mm that I might want sometimes. I am concerned however that I might miss having 17mm more than I would use 8 or 9mm. Please help. Thanks.


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Jun 13, 2013 09:09 |  #2

Remember that the 8-16 can't use filters but the 10-20 can. I have a 10-20 and love it.


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Jun 13, 2013 09:24 |  #3

From an IQ standpoint, I love my 8-16mm, but yes, if you plan to use filters, I'd go with the 10-20mm.

For instances when I need to use filters, I find my Canon 15-85mm is "wide enough", but YMMV.




  
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Jun 13, 2013 11:08 |  #4

It is actually a tough call. I have Sigma 10-20 and like it, great to use with my expensive (>100$) super-dense ND filter B+W ND110, but the newer 8-16mm is better optically (3 and 4 stars from photozone.de for 10-20 and 8-16, respectively), and is much wider.

Recently, I haven't been using the ND filter much with 10-20 - I think because as my landscape shooting skills improve, I make an extra effort to do the shooting at the right time (usually around sunset and sunrise) when ND110 filter is not needed. I now consider the ND110 as a "lazy photographer substitute for proper landscape shooting". But even at sunset/sunrise, there is usually too much light to get long exposures (>30s) without a filter; ideally one would need something like ND8. So 10-20 still could be the better choice for landscape photographers.

Simply compare the shots of comparable objects (piers in lake Ontario), first done with Sigma 10-20 in the "lazy" way (ND110 filter; day time), and "proper" way (sunset, light filter, ND4):

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(BTW, the second shot was not even made with UWA - I used my Sigma 17-50 at 17mm).

Now, as I looked closer at photozone.de resolution numbers for both lenses, I am not even sure if 8-16 is indeed better. It is definitely better wide open - but how often will you use it wide open? For landscape purposes, I find myself using f/11 most of the time, and according to photozone, both lenses have comparable resolution at this aperture (both are in the "very good" territory; BTW, the Canon's 10-22 is worse at f/11 and 10mm than both Sigmas - it is mostly in "good" territory).

And my feeling is 8mm will be simply too wide for me - the near vs. far will be so much exaggerated, that it would be pretty hard to find a good setting for a nice 8mm landscape shot. When dealing with such extreme angles of view, I'd rather use my Samyang 8mm fisheye (gives even wider angle than Sigma's 8mm, because of the fisheye projection; and actually distorts shapes much less than rectilinear 8mm lens, which dramatically stretches objects near the frame edges).

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Jun 15, 2013 09:17 |  #5

Well, after much hemming and hawing, I pulled the trigger and decided to go with the 8-16mm. I did find there is an adaptor available that will work with the huge corkin filters and it is possible to rig the lee filters to the lens.

Overall, I don't use filters yet and I figure I can always sell this lens and get a 10-20mm if I need to. It should arrive by wednesday or thursday, just in time for my trip to sequoia on Friday. Now I better get my girlfriend a nice annaversary gift so she doesn't get too upset!


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Jun 15, 2013 10:33 as a reply to  @ SmokeySiFy's post |  #6

An original 10-20 has been in my bag for about 6 years. Its a great lens. That said, if I were buying today, the 8-16 would be my choice. The extra 2mm on the wide end would be awesome (and who cares about the long end ;)).


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Jun 15, 2013 11:44 |  #7

SmokeySiFy wrote in post #16033216 (external link)
Well, after much hemming and hawing, I pulled the trigger and decided to go with the 8-16mm. I did find there is an adaptor available that will work with the huge corkin filters and it is possible to rig the lee filters to the lens.

Overall, I don't use filters yet and I figure I can always sell this lens and get a 10-20mm if I need to. It should arrive by wednesday or thursday, just in time for my trip to sequoia on Friday. Now I better get my girlfriend a nice annaversary gift so she doesn't get too upset!

If you do go the Cokin route, can you open a new thread relating the experience? I am interested in the 8-16 down the road and I was planning on getting the P-series Cokin, as I have different filter diameter lenses...


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Jun 15, 2013 12:00 as a reply to  @ MakisM1's post |  #8

Someone should probably mention that the CPL filter on an ultrawide lens doesn't work so well anyway due to the angle of view... ;)


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Jun 15, 2013 16:45 |  #9

MakisM1 wrote in post #16033526 (external link)
If you do go the Cokin route, can you open a new thread relating the experience? I am interested in the 8-16 down the road and I was planning on getting the P-series Cokin, as I have different filter diameter lenses...

The filter system he's talking about (at least if its the same kind that I've seen) take a very large filter as the holder fits over the built in hood. So "P" size filters would not work with it.

Those systems also tend to be rather expensive.




  
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Jun 15, 2013 19:42 |  #10

District_History_Fan wrote in post #16033553 (external link)
Someone should probably mention that the CPL filter on an ultrawide lens doesn't work so well anyway due to the angle of view... ;)

I only use ND filters with my 10-20.


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Jun 16, 2013 02:21 |  #11

The 8-16mm is a better lens, though the lack of ability to use filters is a big deal, if you shoot landscape (ND filter) or architecture (polariser for glass buildings).


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Jun 16, 2013 06:00 |  #12

pulsar123 wrote in post #16034549 (external link)
I only use ND filters with my 10-20.

Got it.

Anyone know if the Cokin type filters work with the 8-16? Maybe they would clear the front element.


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Jun 16, 2013 08:57 |  #13

District_History_Fan wrote in post #16035425 (external link)
Got it.

Anyone know if the Cokin type filters work with the 8-16? Maybe they would clear the front element.

What do you mean by "Cokin type"? For you just mean square filters? If so then yes but they require a special filter holder for lenses like the 8-16mm

Here's a good link I found when I was researching the sigma 8-16

http://www.stockholmvi​ews.com …sigma-8-16mm-filters.html (external link)




  
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Jun 16, 2013 10:13 |  #14

gremlin75 wrote in post #16035714 (external link)
What do you mean by "Cokin type"? For you just mean square filters? If so then yes but they require a special filter holder for lenses like the 8-16mm

Here's a good link I found when I was researching the sigma 8-16

http://www.stockholmvi​ews.com …sigma-8-16mm-filters.html (external link)

http://www.cokin.co.uk​/pages/cokinP.htm (external link)


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Jun 16, 2013 13:17 |  #15

The Cokin P system will not fit on the sigma 8-16mm lens

Like I said, the 8-16 requires a special filter holder. That holder it need uses 165mm filters (the "P" system is 85mm)




  
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