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MaryJane ­ Cannon
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Sep 03, 2013 13:14 |  #1

I have been using a 3 light set up with continuous lights. It works well for my needs so far, but once I get my studio set up, I don't think these lights will be strong enough. I also have two speedlites and a monolight (which I never use because the softbox is hard as all hell to set up). I want to stay with continuous lighting for studio if possible. I take pictures of pets and children and would prefer not to have the sudden flash. Any suggestions on maybe one really good continuous light?



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Sep 03, 2013 13:18 |  #2

Continuous lighting is a poor substitute for flash for that type of work. Its not bright enough to give you sufficient shutter speeds and depth of field for studio work. If you do somehow make it bright enough then its incredibly uncomfortable and intimidating for your subjects. Flash tends not to bother pets and most kids arent bothered by it either after they get used to it. Most people who are uncomfortable with flash will come up with a zillion reasons why they want to go with continuous, dont let yourself fall into that trap. Another downside to continuous is that your subjects get pin point pupils from looking into the bright lights.




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Sep 03, 2013 17:26 |  #3

I like continuous lighting for portraits indoors because I can just snap away and not wait for recycle times...BUT not everyone likes it. Some people get a headache after a while and get frown lines in the forehead from squinting. Everyone is different. If I'm in front of the camera, I actually prefer constant but a girl I shoot from time to time really doesn't like the constant setup.
I prefer continuous for pets as well indoors because there is no telling what puppies and kittens will do and I want to always be ready to capture the moment. I've used both continuous and flash with pets and haven't found either one to bother them really.

As far as power goes, I find two 4 bank fluorescent and two 2 banks enough light (T8 bulbs if I remember correctly). 4 four banks would be even more power but I don't need that much for my size room. I set them up in a square pattern like a Peter Hurley setup only larger to allow for full body shots. 1 2bank on floor, 1 2 bank across the top, 1 4 bank on the left and right.


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Sep 06, 2013 16:00 |  #4

gonzogolf wrote in post #16264584external link
Continuous lighting is a poor substitute for flash for that type of work. Its not bright enough to give you sufficient shutter speeds and depth of field for studio work. If you do somehow make it bright enough then its incredibly uncomfortable and intimidating for your subjects. Flash tends not to bother pets and most kids arent bothered by it either after they get used to it. Most people who are uncomfortable with flash will come up with a zillion reasons why they want to go with continuous, dont let yourself fall into that trap. Another downside to continuous is that your subjects get pin point pupils from looking into the bright lights.

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I have both, and for studio work, it just has to be mono lights, preferably with a beauty dish and a diffuser, very fast to set up.
Not as good as a real soft-box but very close.
I don't understand the problem one poster had with recycle times at 1 second! Thats 60 shots per minute! 360 per hour!
Never got close to that!
Plus to equal that in power in continuous would be horrific to sit in front of.
But the creative side to me is the real issue.
In June I was a flash newbie, thinking well If the camera is good enough why do you need flash. I have taken a 180 degree U turn - flash = Lighting. and lighting is everything for me!
To me Speedlights are for outside, cos they are portable. But they dont touch Bowens IMO for studio work.
Creative wise the Bowens 500R's are just a million times better than continuous lights.
I would reserve Continuous purely for video work.

That said Imam a newbie and maybe others more experienced can achieve the same or better results a different way.
Guess its all personal taste.
And I think you NEED a reasonable ( not expensive) flash meter.

I do hold reservation on shooting big fit stallions, they might take offence to flash!


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Sep 06, 2013 16:17 |  #5

MaryJane, you don't specify if you are using tungsten or fluorescent. But, you might want to look at the Photoflex Starliteexternal link, a compact bare bulb unit designed to work with softboxes and umbrellas. Plenty of power for portraits using either 500 or 1000 watt lamps. The same unit can be purchased with or outfitted with Photoflex's Coolstar fluorescent lamps as well. I have a couple Starlites I use in the studio and on location when called for and they're well designed. Keep in mind these have a mogul socket for studio bulbs, but you can get a $4 mogul adapter for standard bulbs increasing your versatility with lower wattage tungsten and fluorescent lamps. Great for fill and back lighting. Obviously, stay consistent with type and color temperature.

Also take a look at Lowel lightsexternal link such as the industry standard Omni-light and Tota-light or V-light. These are 250-500 watt units producing superb light. Lowel also has complete lines of fluorescent and LED lights I am less familiar with but widely used by studios. No argument from me about using strobes, but I think one thing still photographers tend to forget when debating strobe vs. continuous lights is the entire tv and film industry. Certainly strobes give us the ability to produce great photography, but some gorgeous lighting and cinematography are captured all the time using continuous lights, too.




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Sep 06, 2013 23:26 |  #6

Submariner wrote in post #16274139external link
Plus one

I have both, and for studio work, it just has to be mono lights, preferably with a beauty dish and a diffuser, very fast to set up.
Not as good as a real soft-box but very close.
I don't understand the problem one poster had with recycle times at 1 second! Thats 60 shots per minute! 360 per hour!
Never got close to that!
Plus to equal that in power in continuous would be horrific to sit in front of.
But the creative side to me is the real issue.
In June I was a flash newbie, thinking well If the camera is good enough why do you need flash. I have taken a 180 degree U turn - flash = Lighting. and lighting is everything for me!
To me Speedlights are for outside, cos they are portable. But they dont touch Bowens IMO for studio work.
Creative wise the Bowens 500R's are just a million times better than continuous lights.
I would reserve Continuous purely for video work.

That said Imam a newbie and maybe others more experienced can achieve the same or better results a different way.
Guess its all personal taste.
And I think you NEED a reasonable ( not expensive) flash meter.

I do hold reservation on shooting big fit stallions, they might take offence to flash!


Might want to check that shots per hour statistic.

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Sep 07, 2013 04:11 |  #7

Oh dear my maths, :0 :0, 3,600 per hour! Thanks Pyrojim.
No wonder I never saw any slow down; lol in say a 400 shot 6 hour shoot!

Certainly makes my point!


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Sep 07, 2013 21:41 |  #8

MaryJane Cannon wrote in post #16264572external link
I take pictures of pets and children.

Right there is two good reasons to use flash. Your subects rarely stop moving, so your flash has to do that for you.

I think more monolights are in your future.


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Sep 07, 2013 23:01 |  #9

I mixed things up depending on what I shoot with constant or strobes.

Currently, I've been experimenting with T8 lights.

If you're more comfortable with constant lights, sounds like you'll need to add or upgrade your lights.

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Sep 09, 2013 07:08 as a reply to mchong75's post |  #10

When it comes to constant light you can go for T8 fluorescent lamps or the newer T5. Also, there are compact fluorescent lamps such as the Osram Dulux L which gives off more light (higher Lumen value) for the same power (55W usually). Most of those lamps have CRI>90. Yet, green tint must be dealt with!




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Sep 10, 2013 08:27 |  #11

Working on some 4 bulb t5 units right now. Results soon.


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Sep 13, 2013 13:16 |  #12

Just saw this and seems the new market of hybrid photographer is spawning a new breed of continuous lighting.

Here is a shot by Neil van Niekirk using Sola 4 LED Fresnel lights. Read his blog here (external link) to learn more about the Litepanels Sola 4. Each unit is pricey, about $1350.

IMAGE: http://neilvn.com/tangents/images/models/olena/831_4296-retouch.jpg

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Also just received an announcement about this option (hopefully cheaper than the Sola) from Photoflex for the NorthStar LED. It promises the equivalent of a 1000 watt tungsten using only a 100 watt LED. Continuous dimmer, flicker free and CRI 85. No Kelvin given. Obviously will accept Litedomes, Octodomes, and BDs.

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Sep 25, 2013 16:04 |  #13

First image is: (2) 4 light vertical banks, and a horz. 2 light bank.

Second image: (1) 4 light vertical bank, and a reflector.

T-5 Lights.

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Sep 27, 2013 16:09 |  #14

I just bought a couple of Fotodiox LED100WA's. Pretty happy with them so far and no where near the cost of LitePanels & Photoflex. My LED100WA's are 100watt LED (around 600 watts) with a bowens mount, so none of that odd square panel style. A couple adapters later and I'm using most of my existing modifiers. I'm all over this LED stuff. Maybe I'll do a write-up on them sometime.

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Sep 29, 2013 21:19 as a reply to riffster's post |  #15

I just a Fitness Wear Campaign using continuous lights .... my first time using it.... pretty easy to use.

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