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Dec 18, 2013 08:58 |  #2851

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@DDK - It was my understanding that tilting changes the angle of the focus plane. I haven't really played around with the tilt much yet, but i figured it would be good, if say I were point the camera up at a building, to try and get the entire building from ground to the top in focus. I will have to try and adjust the tilt as well.

You're quite right Alex. Tilting tilts the focal plane - not what you want (typically) when doing architectural photography. There is indeed a limit to how much you can shift, and very high buildings shot from close distances may well exceed those limits. But, even if you have to do some perspective correction in post, the TS-E certainly should help minimize how much correction is needed.

Tilting can be fun, but I recommend staying away from it for architecture (unless you really really want/need the effect)


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Dec 18, 2013 09:17 |  #2852

This is true, and in the case of the image I posted the more I think about it, the more it seems the camera must have not been level with respect to the ground, which is why the top part of the building was OOF and the building was leaning back. The 1 degree of tilt I used on it corrected that perspective and also fixed the focus plane to match that of the building, making the whole building in focus.

So in my case it was poor setup to begin with.


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Dec 18, 2013 09:22 |  #2853

The classic examples of properly using tilt I've seen are with landscapes. I really want to attend some sort of workshop to work on and learn the proper use of tilt (not for miniature effect, but in situations where it will actually increase the focus plane).

I've got one shot of my motorcycle where I did that and felt it was used properly, the bike was at an angle to the camera, and I used tilt to get the full bike in sharp focus:
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Sorry for the derailment guys but this is an interesting topic to me. Apologies for the confusion caused by my initial reply re: tilt.


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Dec 18, 2013 13:01 |  #2854

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The classic examples of properly using tilt I've seen are with landscapes. I really want to attend some sort of workshop to work on and learn the proper use of tilt (not for miniature effect, but in situations where it will actually increase the focus plane).

I've got one shot of my motorcycle where I did that and felt it was used properly, the bike was at an angle to the camera, and I used tilt to get the full bike in sharp focus:
http://www.flickr.com …/davidkhaykin/9​228209816/ (external link)

Sorry for the derailment guys but this is an interesting topic to me. Apologies for the confusion caused by my initial reply re: tilt.

Not at all...tilting is a great subject to discuss as well. :) Someone pointed out to me a few days back, that focus-peaking could be exploited to take all the guess work out of tilting. I hadn't even thought of that, but I'm looking forward to trying it. When shooting my TS-Es I often use a SmallHD field monitor, which has a whole host of focus peaking aids built-in, so that's what use. But, for people just using the camera's Live View screen it might be worth installing Magic Lantern to gain access to focus peaking.

The advantage with focus peaking is being able to accurately visualize where the plane of focus is.

Cool shot of the bike btw! :)


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Dec 18, 2013 13:18 |  #2855

Thanks David -

I wonder if ML is available for my 6D yet, last time I checked I think it was nearing Alpha -- the focus peaking idea is very interesting indeed. I just use Live View x10 and scroll back and forth between a couple of chosen spots and confirm both areas are in focus before shooting.


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Dec 18, 2013 14:14 as a reply to  @ ddk632's post |  #2856

I'm also using a 6d. Has anyone tried thethering to an iPad via Wifi? I haven't used the wifi as I find it a pain to connect to but in this instance it may be nice to have a larger screen....


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Dec 18, 2013 14:48 |  #2857

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I'm also using a 6d. Has anyone tried thethering to an iPad via Wifi? I haven't used the wifi as I find it a pain to connect to but in this instance it may be nice to have a larger screen....

Yes, check the 6D thread in the main camera forum as it's a better place for that discussion, or PM me. In a nutshell it's cool but the resolution sucks because the EOS remote app is for iPhone, not for native iPad. I use it in places where i put the camera real low and don't feel like lying on the ground :mrgreen:

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Dec 18, 2013 14:59 |  #2858

That is cool!


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Dec 18, 2013 16:15 |  #2859

Speaking of tilt.....
These couple are fairly uninteresting shots, but I was experimenting with the tilt to see how it would affect fairly 'busy' shots of a plain old bushtrack.
As many have said, the TS range of lenses are great on their own as a lens, but when you start experimenting, just wow.

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Dec 19, 2013 10:20 as a reply to  @ Ruggo's post |  #2860

Heres a couple from last night.

Shifted up to keep the railing in front of me out of frame and to capture the bridge. No Tilt.

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This one was shifted down. I didn't correct the verticals at all in post.. But they still look to be leaning to me. I had a hot shoe level, but it was cold and I suspect that my camera was not level.

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Dec 19, 2013 10:23 |  #2861

Alex DiPietro wrote in post #16539669 (external link)
Heres a couple from last night.

Shifted up to keep the railing in front of me out of frame and to capture the bridge. No Tilt.

This one was shifted down. I didn't correct the verticals at all in post.. But they still look to be leaning to me. I had a hot shoe level, but it was cold and I suspect that my camera was not level.

Does your camera have an electronic level (my 5D III does)? I use that all the time to level out my camera in all directions, then I shift to get perfect verticals. A bubble level on the hot shoe is good too, but I actually find the electronic levels most precise.


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Dec 19, 2013 10:47 |  #2862

Unfortunately the 6D only has 1 level axis, so you still need the bubble :(

The 7D has an electronic level and like you I found that very handy.


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Dec 19, 2013 11:32 |  #2863

Yeah the 5DIII has gyroscopic level, which is awesome for this lens. 6D is horizontal only.

Obviously the closer you are to the buildings, the more pronounced leaning effect even a small vertical offset of the camera will cause.

When the camera is perfect, the buildings won't be leaning. Unless of course it's desired, as in I_am_hydrogen's excellent example a few pages back.


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Dec 23, 2013 17:49 as a reply to  @ ddk632's post |  #2864

Here's one just playing around in my apartment on a rainy night... I thought this was funny because of how many people seem to like making miniatures on tilt shifts... Well, I live in Manahttan and my tree is mini in real life, so I though this was a funny subject to mess around with the tilt on...

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Dec 23, 2013 18:09 |  #2865

Here's a few serious uses of a TS-e 17L:
I've noticed that using the 5DIII's tilt meter, I can use it to get the lens centred and vertical and then dial in as much shift as the image needs...it takes out a lot of the perspective correction guess work.

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