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Arte ­ Automobilistica
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Dec 05, 2013 00:16 |  #1

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It's Christmas again and it's the play season. I am preparing a multi camera shoot of a local school's nativity. I was at the venue and it is dark! I have no control over the staging and need a narrow (3m) width with a deep (5m) depth of field. At 35mm-ISO 800-5.6-1/50-24fps I am struggling to get my exposure away from the left. I edit with Lightworks. Any suggestions in camera/post on how to improve image quality. How do your clients feel about ISO 800 IQ?

All advice greatly appreciated.


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Dec 06, 2013 09:38 |  #2

If your capture is rubbish there isn't much that can be done in post - you aren't shooting RAW. The main issue with poor light is noise. The higher the iso the more noise but greater detail on the image.

You either improve speed with faster glass or you will have to up the iso. If you under expose and try to boost it in post you will either get a washed out looking image or massive contrast.

You could try some of the alternative picture profiles which claim to give greater latitude. I have had variable success with these and you risk further artefacts and, worse, strange colour contours and blending which look awful.


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Dec 06, 2013 21:26 |  #3

Up the iso and do noise removal in post.




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Dec 07, 2013 17:28 |  #4

ISO is the only thing that will budge, push it up. Lower your aperture a tad bit to risk losing some depth of field to get more light in.


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Dec 10, 2013 00:54 as a reply to mesakid's post |  #5

Thanks for the advice. I shot at ISO 800 and the sun came out flooding the church with light and I got to shoot at f/4. It was slightly underexposed but at least very usable. Today is going to be cloudy so I'm in the hands of the gods of light. Isn't that always the case?


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Dec 10, 2013 02:40 |  #6

If you use iso's devisable by 32 these tend to be less prone to noise. This being the case, if using 800 you might as well go for 1280.


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Arte ­ Automobilistica
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Dec 23, 2013 13:50 |  #7

John Sims wrote in post #16515550external link
If you use iso's devisable by 32 these tend to be less prone to noise. This being the case, if using 800 you might as well go for 1280.

Hi I was shooting with my EOS M which I am a bit chicken to install Magic Lantern (it's on my x4 and 7D - all hail) due to the 'shutterbug' and am stuck with the ISO settings of 100,200,400,800,1600 etc. Shooting with fast glass and fortuitous light saved the day.


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