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Mar 08, 2014 14:29 |  #46

Bakewell wrote in post #16743732external link
Ok. So everyone's point is? Technology is dead? Nothing left to be accomplished? Hope not!

I believe the point is that cameras, like other examples of technology, have probably reached a point of diminishing returns as far as minimum requirements. Once cameras surpassed 30Mpixels, the lens is more the limiting factor, so why buy a 50MPixel camera? Not because you 'have to' in order to increase IQ...because the lens is becoming the limiting factor.


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Mar 08, 2014 14:31 |  #47
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Wilt wrote in post #16743751external link
I believe the point is that cameras, like other examples of technology, have probably reached a point of diminishing returns as far as minimum requirements. Once cameras surpassed 30Mpixels, the lens is more the limiting factor, so why buy a 50MPixel camera? Not because you 'have to' in order to increase IQ...because the lens is becoming the limiting factor.

You may be right. I hope not. We shall see!


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Mar 08, 2014 14:38 |  #48

Bakewell wrote in post #16743754external link
You may be right. I hope not. We shall see!

The megapixel wars distracted everyone first. Then the noisefree high ISO wars distracted everyone. Now they rely on other 'gimmicks' to distract folks,


  • the number of AF points war, or
  • video resolution or
  • pivoting rear LCD
  • electronic viewfinders or mirrorless designs.

I could do without all those gimmicks, how about higher dynamic range?!

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Mar 08, 2014 14:43 |  #49
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Wilt wrote in post #16743770external link
I could do without all those gimmicks, how about higher dynamic range?!

OK, you win!


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Mar 08, 2014 14:44 |  #50

Bakewell wrote in post #16743732external link
Ok. So everyone's point is? Technology is dead? Nothing left to be accomplished? Hope not!

Not sure how you got that out of my post.


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Mar 08, 2014 18:16 |  #51

when I bough the 5D3 I had, for the first time ever, the feeling, of "wow, I might actually own this thing till it wears out". The 5D2's sensor was fine; very rarely wanted more out of it, but had a long shopping list of other things that annoyed me that canon fixed in the Mk 3. I've been upgrading DSLR every couple of years for a decade, and even been over to the dark side (Nikon) and come back again. I now feel that i'll happy watch a couple of generations go by before I buy again.

At some point there will be a game changing jump and i'll be on board with that, but it'll take real innovation, not polishing and incremental improvements on what we already have



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Mar 08, 2014 18:25 |  #52

Bakewell wrote in post #16743732external link
Ok. So everyone's point is? Technology is dead? Nothing left to be accomplished? Hope not!

Exactly the opposite, actually.

If history is any judge even the most optimistic estimates will be surpassed easily.


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Mar 09, 2014 03:11 |  #53

For me I really can't imagine needing anything better than my 5DIII. It really is the first DSLR that I have no complaints about. Of course if you look at the DR of the D800 you sort of wish the 5DIII had the same capabilities, but it is not something that I dwell about too much. You can never have enough of better low light ISO capabilities, or DR of the sensor or improved AF or better movie mode features, more wifi connectivity etc.... but already things are at a level that I am very comfortable with and don't feel the need to change for a few generations.


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Mar 09, 2014 04:53 |  #54

The only war is the one you have with yourself.
My first dabble into digital was only last year when I bought a 5d3. This was coming from an EOS 3. At the time of my purchase, I was looking for a camera that would do what I wanted to do and the 5d3 fit the bill. Even though my previous was a Canon, the ones before that were Rolleiflex,Mamiya and Olympus, so I'm brand agnostic.
As part of my research I visited forums like this and I must admit I was flabbergasted at the amount of time people would spend trying to change other peoples minds about camera bodies, lenses etc.
And to top that off, the amount of justification seeking posts, just wow.
So I'll repeat, the only war is with yourself. If it spills into forums and magazines etc the marketing people for big companies are rubbing their hands with glee.




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Mar 09, 2014 06:51 |  #55

There is no 'war'. Not for the vast majority, just for those few people who believe that printing images 5 feet wide and examining the result with a magnifying glass (or the digital equivalent) tells you something of vital importance. Those same people who can regularly be seen sneaking off to the bathroom with a buch of DxO reports and a box of tissues.


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Mar 09, 2014 06:53 |  #56

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Heya,

Canon is behind in some areas in regards to cameras.

But this isn't the kind of hobby where during one or two generation cycles, you jump ship, due to not having the perceived latest & greatest. Turning this into a gear hobby, instead of focusing on the end result--the photograph--is what will have you pulling your hair out over costs and G.A.S.

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Mar 09, 2014 09:53 |  #57

Was just at Disney. At least half of the cameras I saw were Canons, Rebels all way up to a 5D3. The other half were all other makers, with Nikon in second. I think I saw one Sony DSLR and a small handful of mirrorless systems, but the vast majority of interchangeable lens cameras I saw were Rebels. Most consumers don't care a lick about dynamic range and all of that, they only care about how it feels and how the menus work and what their friends are using, and Canon is still the market share leader.


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Mar 09, 2014 11:10 |  #58

Keyan wrote in post #16745231external link
Was just at Disney. At least half of the cameras I saw were Canons, Rebels all way up to a 5D3. The other half were all other makers, with Nikon in second. I think I saw one Sony DSLR and a small handful of mirrorless systems, but the vast majority of interchangeable lens cameras I saw were Rebels. Most consumers don't care a lick about dynamic range and all of that, they only care about how it feels and how the menus work and what their friends are using, and Canon is still the market share leader.

Great...so Canon is the McDonalds of cameras...cater to the herd. Great for Canon...not so much if you want more than the herd.




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Mar 09, 2014 11:13 |  #59

Hogloff wrote in post #16745372external link
Great...so Canon is the McDonalds of cameras...cater to the herd. Great for Canon...not so much if you want more than the herd.

I'm pretty sure they just want money. Canon is basically Toyota. We're not exactly rockin' exotics here and never were.


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Mar 09, 2014 11:25 |  #60

Keyan wrote in post #16745231external link
Was just at Disney. At least half of the cameras I saw were Canons, Rebels all way up to a 5D3. The other half were all other makers, with Nikon in second. I think I saw one Sony DSLR and a small handful of mirrorless systems, but the vast majority of interchangeable lens cameras I saw were Rebels. Most consumers don't care a lick about dynamic range and all of that, they only care about how it feels and how the menus work and what their friends are using, and Canon is still the market share leader.

The problem with this type of observational statistic is that because you are already pre-disposed to Canon cameras, it's what you see first. It's sort of like buying a new car and all of a sudden you are seeing them everywhere.


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