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will a 24-105 f4 work for indoor sports ???

 
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May 28, 2014 20:52 |  #1

I just purchased a D1 Mark iii and a 70-200 f2.8 IS Mk ii I need to get a lens to shoot indoor sports ( basketball, volleyball and wrestling) the 70-200 is probably going to be to much for as close as I'll be, so I'm thinking of getting a 24-105 f4. Typically I shoot with a flash inside so I doubt the f4 will give me any problems but I've never shot this lens and I'm not sure if the lens will focus fast enough or have any other issues pop up?


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May 28, 2014 21:27 |  #2

If you're shooting with flash, then yes, it will work. I've seen some pro basketball photos taken with that lens. I was surprised and impressed at the same time as I would have never considered it a possibility.


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May 28, 2014 21:29 |  #3

On camera flash rarely works well or is even allowed for indoor sports shooting.

You are thinking 70mm will still be too long a focal length for indoor sports? You might be surprised. If the lighting is good enough, you can shoot most any indoor sports with the 70-200 f/2.8.

The 24-105 would focus fast enough, but f/4 is not going to cut it indoors. For indoor sports in ambient lighting, fast primes are the ticket. The 85mm f/1.8 is pretty much the default indoor basketball, volleyball, wrestling lens if you have good (courtside) access. If you are shooting from the stands, the 135mm f/2 is a nice choice.

If you step up to real strobes (not just speedlites) for indoor sports, then you can shoot with pretty much any lens you want.


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May 28, 2014 21:34 |  #4

Ask if flash is allowed. More than likely, Volleyball willnot allow it, Basketball depends on the coach. I cannot use it at all and shoot with a 5D3 w/a 70-200 @ an iso of 6400 - 10,000 to keep my SS up.


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May 28, 2014 21:49 |  #5

To start off this is all small high school sports. I have full access to what ever I want, typically in the past with my 50D and Sigma 70-200 f2.8 at court side the 70mm was too much. The flash doesn't bother any of the players so far, initially I would get to the first game early and check with the coach and players and the told me it didn't effect them, when asked most didn't even realize I had used the flash.
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May 28, 2014 21:51 |  #6

I use my 70-200 to shoot all of my indoor sports. The only way it may be a challenge could be under the basket and there is not much room behind the baseline. Volleyball and Wrestling should be no challenge at all.




  
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May 28, 2014 21:54 as a reply to  @ Czbrat271's post |  #7

Also try to avoid a flash. I don't like photos taken with a flash. Also limits you on the ability to burst. I'm not a big burst shooter. But there are times you need it.




  
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May 28, 2014 21:59 |  #8

Gary Wiant wrote in post #16937287 (external link)
To start off this is all small high school sports. I have full access to what ever I want, typically in the past with my 50D and Sigma 70-200 f2.8 at court side the 70mm was too much.

Well, going from the 1.6x crop of the 50D to the 1.3x crop of the 1d3 will gain you some on the wide end.


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May 28, 2014 22:05 |  #9

Yeah I realize that I'm hoping I don't miss the crop to much for football. Probably end up having to buy a 300 mm :(


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May 28, 2014 22:12 |  #10

Gary Wiant wrote in post #16937320 (external link)
Probably end up having to buy a 300 mm :(

Been there, done that. Go straight to a 400 of some sort if you can.


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May 28, 2014 22:14 |  #11

I do this as a hobby my wife isn't real happy I just got the new camera and lens. But that's partly my fault I have several hobbies and they are all expensive

But we'll see what happens


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May 28, 2014 22:33 as a reply to  @ Gary Wiant's post |  #12

Yeah turned my hobby into a small business. I showed my local paper my stuff and they liked what they saw. I shoot for the once or twice a week. Helps pay for my equipment.




  
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May 29, 2014 05:19 |  #13

That's awesome.


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May 29, 2014 09:43 |  #14

Gary Wiant wrote in post #16937287 (external link)
To start off this is all small high school sports. I have full access to what ever I want, typically in the past with my 50D and Sigma 70-200 f2.8 at court side the 70mm was too much. The flash doesn't bother any of the players so far, initially I would get to the first game early and check with the coach and players and the told me it didn't effect them, when asked most didn't even realize I had used the flash.
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It's true, if the players are doing their job, They will not notice tbe flash. I deal with basketball coaches who say it bothers them. I dont have a clue how, but it's their gym.


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May 29, 2014 19:17 |  #15

Czbrat271 wrote in post #16937297 (external link)
Also try to avoid a flash. I don't like photos taken with a flash. Also limits you on the ability to burst. I'm not a big burst shooter. But there are times you need it.

I wouldn't avoid off-camera flash at all. There's a reason why many college and pro events are still strobed. Here are some tips on how to do it right:

http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com …ghting-indoor-sports.html (external link)


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