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What to upgrade to for sports from 3ti?

 
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Feb 13, 2015 18:57 |  #16

klswenson wrote in post #17430832 (external link)
Ok now you guys have me leaning towards a canon 70d or 7d mark II.

I shoot both indoor and outdoor sports for my kids and their friends.

Things I don't like about the 3ti currently are:
1. To much grain the higher the ISO (low light situations) with a good lens.
2. AF system could definitely be better.

I also have been contemplating getting 85mm 1.8 lens for gym lighting.

Thoughts?

The AF system on the 70D is a good leap better than the T3i. The AF system on the 7D mk2 is a quantum leap better than the T3i.
The ISO grain on the 70D is ok at 6400 at least I wasn't as bothered by it as some might. Even up in the 8000 range I was not annoyed by it. But 6400 is a threshold before you have to ask yourself whether you are OK with it or not. Dunno about the 7Dmk2 on this but some say it is slightly better or similar.

In gym lighting an 85 1.8 on crop would probably work fairly well. Fast lenses when I had them on my 70D produced some images that I definitely LOVED especially when I compared to kit lenses. The pictures when used with a Sigma 18-35 1.8 or with a Sigma 50-150 2.8 IMO were WOW (for me anyways) and when I took them into Lightroom my wife always marveled at how images that SOOC she already thought were nice went over the top.

BUT... and I say this ONLY for informational purposes... I ended up selling the whole kit because I kept being annoyed by the low light foibles (And I mean dark! Like the inside an old fashion train car with candle lights dark). The 70D AF's in -0.5EV around that range it is fairly dark and it has issues autofocusing even with a good fast lens attached and finding good points of contras to target. Then most of the indoor events for my kids required higher shutter speeds and bumping ISO, in the end I decided I would prefer full frame to fill those needs and a camera that can do AF at -2EV (5dmk3) or at -3EV (6D with center point or D750 with center column array) made me decided I wanted more... that said the AF system on teh 70D spoiled me so much that the 6D just wasn't going to make me happy... and obviously the other two cameras are a larger price jump.

So if ISO is a true issue you may want to account for that and go 6D. If AF is a bigger deal go with the 70D or 7Dmk2 and be very happy! If you end up wanting both great AF system and better ISO in darker situations be prepared to pony up more dosh to go 5dmk3 or D750.

Best of luck with your decision, can't wait to hear your final decision!


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Feb 13, 2015 19:22 |  #17

klswenson wrote in post #17430832 (external link)
Ok now you guys have me leaning towards a canon 70d or 7d mark II.

Ok, well, if you are expanding the budget to 7d II territory, then I retract my previous recommendations and now would say go with a 1D IV.


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Feb 14, 2015 18:02 as a reply to  @ rdalrt's post |  #18

what would you pay for a used 7d or 70d?

I don't think I'm ready to budget for the 7dmII just yet.




  
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Feb 14, 2015 18:22 |  #19

You should be able to find a 7D or 70D for around $700.
If you don't mind the weight a 1D Mk III would be a good choice at about the same price.


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Feb 15, 2015 06:11 |  #20

Here is the link to the Canon Refurbished website. Many on this forum have had good luck purchasing refurbed directly from Canon. The purchase includes a full 1 year Canon warranty.

http://shop.usa.canon.​com …d-eos-digital-slr-cameras (external link)

Once you decide what camera you want, try to be patient and eventually the already reduced price will be further reduced by 20%. Right now the 70D with the 18-55mm lens can be purchased for $863. I'm waiting for the body only to be reduced to $767 and then will grab it quickly. Like you, right now I have the T3i and want to upgrade. For my needs and budget I've decided upon the refurbished 70D.

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Feb 15, 2015 07:02 |  #21

klswenson wrote in post #17431974 (external link)
what would you pay for a used 7d or 70d?

I don't think I'm ready to budget for the 7dmII just yet.

I see 7D's in the Classified section here usually listed for around $600, a little more or less depending on use and condition and philosophy of the seller.

I just bought a 5D III, so I'll be listing one of my 7D's here soon - probably Monday - for right around $600. Since I don't think you can see the listings being so new to the board, feel free to message me if you're interested. The one I'm selling is in very good condition and has a shutter count of 13,397 (that's pretty darned low - the shutter's life expectancy is rated at 150,000).




  
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Feb 16, 2015 10:28 as a reply to  @ MichiTimm's post |  #22

Your right, I can't see the classifieds. How long does one have to wait after joining do you know?




  
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Feb 16, 2015 10:38 as a reply to  @ klswenson's post |  #23

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Feb 16, 2015 11:12 |  #24

klswenson wrote in post #17434269 (external link)
Your right, I can't see the classifieds. How long does one have to wait after joining do you know?

You have to be a member for thirty days, and you have to have made thirty posts.




  
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Feb 16, 2015 12:59 |  #25

MichiTimm wrote in post #17432548 (external link)
I see 7D's in the Classified section here usually listed for around $600, a little more or less depending on use and condition and philosophy of the seller.

I just bought a 5D III, so I'll be listing one of my 7D's here soon - probably Monday - for right around $600. Since I don't think you can see the listings being so new to the board, feel free to message me if you're interested. The one I'm selling is in very good condition and has a shutter count of 13,397 (that's pretty darned low - the shutter's life expectancy is rated at 150,000).


Correct. I see the going price for used &d's around 600 and used 70D anywhere fromjust shy of $700 and up. Although a refurb from Canon with 1 year warranty is a great way to go for not much more.

Remember the 7D will provide a wicked good AF system and weather sealing. 70D will provide a similar but pared down AF system (still much better than the T3i system) will be weather resistant (not sealed specifically), a vari-angle tilt screen that is nice to use at times, VERY good video system compared to the 7D, and offers wifi built in.

They are both good cameras though IMO!


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Feb 16, 2015 13:00 |  #26

Have you considered a refurbished first generation 7D? You'll pay a little more over a used 7D, but personally I have a little more faith in them for how they were handled. Anyone who I know who coughed up the cash for a 7D did so because they used the 7D, and frequently that use would be very heavy. I know that I haven't been overly gentle with my 7D bodies. They've gotten dragged along through wet and muddy conditions, and I have no qualms about taking them into places like paintball fields. (Fun little point of interest, I find I get shot up far far far more as a photographer in paintball games than I do as player.)

My refurbished one arrived to me and was reporting that it only had a few dozen cycles on the shutter count. Something to consider if you find value in something coming to you in a 'new in box' condition.


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Feb 16, 2015 20:37 as a reply to  @ Luckless's post |  #27

Thanks for all the info, I appreciate it!




  
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Feb 20, 2015 15:01 |  #28

I've made up my mind after all this discussion and I'm going to get the canon 1d mark iii.




  
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Feb 20, 2015 15:42 as a reply to  @ klswenson's post |  #29

Good choice. Will be a nice upgrade for sports from the t3i.


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Feb 20, 2015 16:16 |  #30

klswenson wrote in post #17441199 (external link)
I've made up my mind after all this discussion and I'm going to get the canon 1d mark iii.

Holy cow!!!! You bought the $6,000 camera !!!


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