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smythie
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Feb 28, 2015 04:00 |  #301

were they talking about live view or an actual viewfinder? an EVF as in a viewfinder, not live view, is no more or less a hindrance than an OVF in bright conditions. My wife's EM-5 (v1) and my A7R are no different to any of the DSLR's I've used


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Feb 28, 2015 12:53 as a reply to smythie's post |  #302

They were talking about the actual viewfinder (the EFV). I believe the issue the author is referring to is that when you wear glasses light leaks into the viewfinder and washes it out much like looking at any digital display. You do not have this problem with an OFV. If you don't wear glasses there's less of a gap, and much less light leak, so you don't see the issue.

Makes total sense to me, and I'm certain it'll be resolved with some new technology some time in the future.


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Mar 03, 2015 07:10 |  #303

Bob_A wrote in post #17453281external link
In DPReviews "first impressions review" of the Oly E-M5 II and the reviewer, Dan Bracaglia, made the following comment:

"Bright conditions pose a challenge for anyone using an EVF, especially if you wear glasses. There were a couple of instances where I had to cup the entire front of the camera, above the lens, to my face, so as to try and block out the remaining light. This was effective, though only necessary at the one location. To be fair, we were shooting at noon, in direct sunlight. Non-glasses-wearers should have less of a struggle in these conditions."

I wear glasses and what the reviewer stated would drive me nuts. Sounds like another reason for "soon" being a few years away for me. I sure wish Nikon would release a mirrorless version of the D750 or D810 right away though ... so they'll have the kinks worked out by the time I'm ready to buy :)

Part of the problem is that pretty much all of the mirrorless manufacturers insist on using rock hard eyecups that don't do anything to seat themselves against you faces to block out light. The Fuji X-T1 is the best in this way as they use a Nikon style eyecup which works quite well. The Sony and Olympus eyecups are just terrible though.


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Mar 16, 2015 10:36 |  #304

Not sure why I spent the time to read through this whole thread, when it can be summed up as:

"MILCs are better than DSLRs."

"Not really, no."

"Ok, but they could be."

"Well, they're not yet."

"But in the future they will be."

"But they're not now."

"But mirrorless is better!"

Over and over and over...

"Soon" is a weasel-word; ut a timeline on it. Otherwise it's like saying "the economy will go down soon" or "the economy will go up soon". For loose enough definitions of "soon", both are true, and meaningless.


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Mar 16, 2015 11:02 as a reply to LonelyBoy's post |  #305

My Olympus OMD E-m1 is good enough for me, NOW




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Mar 16, 2015 11:28 |  #306

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17477350external link
Not sure why I spent the time to read through this whole thread, when it can be summed up as:

"MILCs are better than DSLRs."

"Not really, no."

"Ok, but they could be."

"Well, they're not yet."

"But in the future they will be."

"But they're not now."

"But mirrorless is better!"

Over and over and over...

"Soon" is a weasel-word; ut a timeline on it. Otherwise it's like saying "the economy will go down soon" or "the economy will go up soon". For loose enough definitions of "soon", both are true, and meaningless.

ALL cameras -- including MILCs -- and smartphones will be obsolete VERY SOON...the Apple watch is here!


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Mar 16, 2015 15:53 |  #307

Wilt wrote in post #17477432external link
ALL cameras -- including MILCs -- and smartphones will be obsolete VERY SOON...the Apple watch is here!

Ha!


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Mar 20, 2015 05:20 |  #308

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17477350external link
Not sure why I spent the time to read through this whole thread, when it can be summed up as:

"MILCs are better than DSLRs."

"Not really, no."

"Ok, but they could be."

"Well, they're not yet."

"But in the future they will be."

"But they're not now."

"But mirrorless is better!"

Over and over and over...

"Soon" is a weasel-word; ut a timeline on it. Otherwise it's like saying "the economy will go down soon" or "the economy will go up soon". For loose enough definitions of "soon", both are true, and meaningless.

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Apr 19, 2015 05:09 |  #309

Actual shipments in 2014
Forecasted shipments for 2015

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Point & shoots is the most affected in drop in sales.

Interchangeable lenses and bodies the least affected.

People on photo forums will still buy dedicated still cameras.

People who dont will probably use what they have until it is too expensive to fix or just get a new smartphone.

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Apr 19, 2015 13:11 |  #310

LonelyBoy wrote in post #17477350external link
Not sure why I spent the time to read through this whole thread, when it can be summed up as:

"MILCs are better than DSLRs."

"Not really, no."

"Ok, but they could be."

"Well, they're not yet."

"But in the future they will be."

"But they're not now."

"But mirrorless is better!"

Over and over and over...

"Soon" is a weasel-word; ut a timeline on it. Otherwise it's like saying "the economy will go down soon" or "the economy will go up soon". For loose enough definitions of "soon", both are true, and meaningless.

I didn't, but I'm glad you did so as to put together this excellent summary.

By the time it gets to the 21st page there is very little new to say. So I'll (likely) repeat a few ideas others have undoubtedly said more eloquently:
1) disruption is good and it makes the whole ecosystem evolve
2) imagine that, we all choose different things
3) photography forums are 90% about the gear, if there are painters forums no doubt they would yell at each other about the relative merits of boar vs mink bristled brushes. Still, in five years though none of this will matter and the mark of success will be if you have 5 to 10 pictures you took this month which you still like to look at or share (or for those hard working pros you can still pay the rent). What ever it takes to make the picture you want... that's the right tool


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Apr 19, 2015 13:48 |  #311

I have absolutely no idea why this whole talk of obsolescence started. There are photographers out there still using view cameras and others producing images with wet plate collodion and daguerreotype processes. If you have a camera and it works well for you then great. It doesn't mean doom and obsolescence for every other technology. Does it matter how many units of x camera type is projected to be sold in the next year? I tried mirrorless and it didn't work for me but understand it is a better solution for some and that is all that really counts. Just having the tool you feel good with. I think the only thing from this thread that should become obsolete is superfluous, inflammatory thread titles.


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