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ScruffyJohn
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ok, I think I'm ready to make a purchase, but not sure if it should be a new camera body or an L lens.

my subjects are 90% landscape (when I hike & snowshoe) (in between my hospital recovery times from those activities :D )
to give some ideas of where I'm at
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1- things are not as crisp as I'd like... even when I use a tripod and a trip cable.... so I wonder if the lack of a mirror lockup comes into play here...
2- would (occasionally) like to blow up pictures to 20x30 for framing
3- I like the 10-22m lens I have, but #1 comes into play
4- the 28-135 is a nice range... too bad they don't have 28-200... would be a perfect walk around lens and hiking lens (in addition to the WA lens)
5- rarely get to see wild life... so that is not a priority.... I think I make too much noise breathing heavy:o
6- from what I read, there seems to be a significant difference between the 300D (which is what I have) & 350D

comments anyone?

Post #1, Jul 22, 2006 12:18:50


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Well, mirror lock-up can be accomplished via one of the hacks. Is there a difference between your drebel and the XT? Definately. Is there enough that it will change the results using your current lenses? Probably not. Your 100 macro, and 10-22 are excellant lenses, the others are average. If the shots with the 10-22 are currently disappointing, then they probably would be on a newer body. It may have more to do with post processing, rather than equipment. Are you basing your comments on shots straight out of the camera, or after you've tweaked them in post-processing?

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crn3371 wrote:
Well, mirror lock-up can be accomplished via one of the hacks. Is there a difference between your drebel and the XT? Definately. Is there enough that it will change the results using your current lenses? Probably not. Your 100 macro, and 10-22 are excellant lenses, the others are average. If the shots with the 10-22 are currently disappointing, then they probably would be on a newer body. It may have more to do with post processing, rather than equipment. Are you basing your comments on shots straight out of the camera, or after you've tweaked them in post-processing?

hmm, one of the hacks... I had read about at least one of the hacks, but it didn't mention a mirror lock up... will look into that.
As far as what I'm basing my opinion on, both before & after post-processing... granted I'm no wiz at that area. So maybe you're impling I ought to stick with the 300D, add the hack, look for a different "walk-around" lens than the 28-135 IS lens....

Post #3, Jul 22, 2006 13:07:39 as a reply to crn3371's post 25 minutes earlier.


John

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Jamie ­ Holladay
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May look at the 17-40L or the 24-70L.

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ScruffyJohn wrote:
ok, I think I'm ready to make a purchase, but not sure if it should be a new camera body or an L lens.

my subjects are 90% landscape (when I hike & snowshoe) (in between my hospital recovery times from those activities :D )
to give some ideas of where I'm at
http://www.flickr.com/​photos/scruffyjohn/external link

1- things are not as crisp as I'd like... even when I use a tripod and a trip cable.... so I wonder if the lack of a mirror lockup comes into play here...
2- would (occasionally) like to blow up pictures to 20x30 for framing
3- I like the 10-22m lens I have, but #1 comes into play
4- the 28-135 is a nice range... too bad they don't have 28-200... would be a perfect walk around lens and hiking lens (in addition to the WA lens)
5- rarely get to see wild life... so that is not a priority.... I think I make too much noise breathing heavy:o
6- from what I read, there seems to be a significant difference between the 300D (which is what I have) & 350D

comments anyone?

John -

This might be against the grain but I think you should drop the money on the new lens right now. Why? The XTs replacement should be named sometime in the near future - most are thinking at fotinka, but now, I'm thinking we are going to hear something shortly after Nikon makes thier new DSLR annoucement in 18 days [Aug 8th]. If you were to get the XT and then the XTs replacement is named - it might really appeal to you. If you buy the L lens now and the replacement comes out and you like it, there will be less hesitation in purchasing it since you hadn't just bought the XT and you also have a nice new L lens to mount on the new camera, where as if you went XT then bit the bullet and bought the XTs replacement, you'd be with out an L lens. . .. just thinking out loud here. . .

Post #5, Jul 22, 2006 13:39:06


Switched to Nikon . . . Thanks to all of you that made my sale a success! Enjoy your new gear!

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I think it's time to upgrade your camera - you already have a great landscape lens in your sig, and ifg you want to make big prints then you need the extra megapixels.
Sure there may be a new XT coming out - though I think it's a little too soon - the XT is still selling like crazy -but if you are always waiting for a new model you'll never get one....

Post #6, Jul 22, 2006 16:57:11 as a reply to aparmley's post 3 hours earlier.


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24zero wrote:
May look at the 17-40L or the 24-70L.

I have both the 17-40/4L and the 17-55/2.8 IS EF-S and would not recommend the 17-40 unless you have a film or full frame digital camera. The 17-55 is a better and more useful lens.

I generally recommend investing in better lenses before better cameras. The lens is a long term investment and will continue in use long after the camera has been replaced by a more recent model. Digital camera technology continues to advance while lens technology is pretty well developed.

Lens choice depends on your main use the lens.

The 17-55/2.8 is a super sharp walk around lens that covers the range from wide angle to short telephoto. If you do your part, image quality will easily support a 20x30 enlargement.

If you want a two lens kit to carry around with your 10-22 that will produce images that lood good for your 20-30 inch prints, consider either the 24-70/2.8 or the 24-105/4 IS. These provide a range from about normal to medium telephoto on your camera. The choice is between a larger aperture for low light and limited depth of field photos vs. a longer telephoto range and image stabilization. If you decide to compromise quality a bit for price, you could also consider the 28-135 IS for this purpose.

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just my $0.02 ......I got a mint used 16-35 L 2.8 for around the same price as a 17-40, I think it is a better landscape lens on a crop sensor body and bloody sharp too!

Post #8, Jul 23, 2006 06:11:47


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If you aren't satisfied with the results you are get with all your lenses, I doubt MLU will be of any help. The common denominator for all the lenses is the camera and/or you . Either the camera doesn't have it in it or there is something not quite right with your technique. The better investment is a lens, but that is of no help if the camera isn't up to snuff.

Post #9, Jul 23, 2006 06:32:38


Canon : 5DIII : 7DII : 40 2.8 : 50 1.4 : 35L : 85L : 100L IS Macro : 135L : 16-35L II : 24-105L IS : 70-200L II : 100-400L IS II : 1.4x & 2x TC III : 580EX : 430EX : G1XII : Markins Q10 & Q3T : Jobu Gimbal : Manfrotto Underware : etc...

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If you still want to use the 10-22, then I would go for the 30D over the 350D. But if you want to go all the way, sell everything bar the 100 macro and go for a 5D and 17-40 L.

Post #10, Jul 23, 2006 06:39:48


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Another vote for "buy an L lens.

Post #11, Jul 23, 2006 08:45:55


20D - 1DMkII - 17/40L - 70/200 2.8 L IS - 85 1.2 L - 50 1.8 II - 300 2.8 L - 550EX - 220EX - Omnibounce - EPSON P2000

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ScruffyJohn
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thanks everyone, now I'm REALLY confused :)
Since the issue could be the camera, lens or me (I'm guessing a good share could be me)
I'm not betting it's the 10-22mm lens... I bought the 28-135mm knowing it was not an L lens, so I know I need a different "walk-around" lens (eventually). So now the question is, is it me soo much that even a 5D wouldn't help.... guess It's back to experimenting... shooting a coke can/flowers in the back yard and see if it is me or something else... I'll post up here the images, maybe collective can analize... (with and with MLC)

Post #12, Jul 23, 2006 09:40:28


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ok, here is one test run

these were take with the 10-22mm (f16, ISO100)... untouched except to crop down to what I was focusing on
One was with Mirror Lock Up and one was without... with tripod & cable release

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Post #13, Jul 23, 2006 12:25:29 as a reply to ScruffyJohn's post 2 hours earlier.


John

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ok, here is another test run

these were take with the 28-135mm IS (f16, ISO100)... untouched except to crop down to what I was focusing on
One was with Mirror Lock Up and one was without... with tripod & cable release

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Post #14, Jul 23, 2006 12:27:22 as a reply to ScruffyJohn's post 1 minute earlier.


John

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I can't say I see any distinct differences and all look equally soft. You don't say at which focal length you made the shots, nor at what shutter speed.

Zooms typically have a focal range that is sharp and some softness at one length or another, typically at the longest focal length.

It easy to drive yourself nuts with this stuff and it's really not necessary. Set yourself up with some constants and run a process of elimination. Mount your camera on a tripod and using a cable release and MLU if you like.:

- Use the same target for all shots, preferrably something with contrast and sharp edges. Some use a brick wall, others a newspaper or magazine hanging on a parallel plane to the camera's sensor.

- According to light, set one ISO, f stop and shutter speed for all shots, and the middle focal length for each zoom.

- Leave the camera and settings constant and just change the lenses.

- Make one shot AF and the next manual focus.

If you get a constant of softness with all lenses, it is probably the camera.

If you get varying sharpness from lens to lens and that degree of sharpness is constant on every shot, well, you know what you have got.

I personally would move to the 30D, just to get right up to date. The 300 is an acceptable camera, but already a dinosaur in my book. A 5D would be an overkill, and full frame changes the game. I would wait on L glass until I really got it down with the equipment I had. I don't think L glass would give you as much a leap forward as would the 30D.

If you want to get a really sharp and useful lens, get the 50mm f/1.4 prime. It's the one you are missing.

Post #15, Jul 23, 2006 13:58:23


Canon : 5DIII : 7DII : 40 2.8 : 50 1.4 : 35L : 85L : 100L IS Macro : 135L : 16-35L II : 24-105L IS : 70-200L II : 100-400L IS II : 1.4x & 2x TC III : 580EX : 430EX : G1XII : Markins Q10 & Q3T : Jobu Gimbal : Manfrotto Underware : etc...

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