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Aug 11, 2015 22:08 |  #1591

Submariner wrote in post #17665583 (external link)
OK now I am confused.
Are you saying
- press shutter button, andwatch the LCD it takes 2 - 3 secs to appear.
But
- press shutter button and instantly press playback and the image is instantly on the LCD?
Wow , if it really is a 2 to 3 sec delay to see the image on the back of the camera, thats not too appealing even doing studio work.Even my slow style, if the models face aint quite right and then say one gets a perfect smirk, smile or engaging look,mI may want to instantly take another shot while she holds the face, but maybe twirls a dress.3 secs in those circumstances can be a long.......time.

Here's what happens. If you instantly press playback after pressing the shutterbutton, the image that appears is the one previous to the one you're waiting to see. The previous one is already on the card and therefore appears because the shot you're waiting for is still downloading to the card.

I agree completely with you that even in the studio, it would be frustrating.

This situation reminds me of the little black dots showing up next to bright lights with the 5D2.


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Aug 11, 2015 22:16 |  #1592

Submariner wrote in post #17665583 (external link)
OK now I am confused.
Are you saying
- press shutter button, andwatch the LCD it takes 2 - 3 secs to appear.
But
- press shutter button and instantly press playback and the image is instantly on the LCD?

Wow , if it really is a 2 to 3 sec delay to see the image on the back of the camera, thats not too appealing even doing studio work.

Even my slow style, if the models face aint quite right and then say one gets a perfect smirk, smile or engaging look,mI may want to instantly take another shot while she holds the face, but maybe twirls a dress.
3 secs in those circumstances can be a long.......time.

Here's what happens. When you press playback right after hitting the shutter button, the image that appears is the previous image to the one you're waiting for, as that previous image is already on the card, and the one you're waiting for is still downloading! I agree with you completely that it's not just we landscape and travel shooters who are affected. It reminds me of the little black dot problem with the release of the 5D2.

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #17665131 (external link)
I don't have a 5ds/r but reading this conversation makes me think of two things. First higher ISO files are slightly bigger because of noise. Are the write files high ISO? I actually doubt this would make much difference but thought i'd mention it.

It's the same with 100 as with 6400 ISO.


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Aug 12, 2015 01:11 as a reply to tvphotog's post |  #1593

Lucky I come from film medium/large format where I had no image preview except for a preshot ground glass iamge...That way I dont have as high expectation of needing to see things in almost real time .....especially landscapes. ....Howvere if I was in a situation where I needed to quickly preview images then 3 secs is way too long to wait IMO.....Not sure if Canon could fix this in firmware as its basically needs to process the underlying 50 meg RAW before it can render a thumbnail jpeg on the back screen....And that takes time


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Aug 12, 2015 01:48 |  #1594

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Aug 12, 2015 03:35 |  #1595

I've been looking through some of the ISO100 5DS RAW files I downloaded through the Image Resource site. And I picked one with some shadow areas to see if it showed any cross hatching like the 5DII 5DIII produce when lifted 100%. To my surprise I didn't see any. Instead it produced a fine grain. Can any owners confirm the improvement in low ISO shadow noise?


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Aug 12, 2015 03:49 |  #1596

tvphotog wrote in post #17665654 (external link)
Here's what happens. When you press playback right after hitting the shutter button, the image that appears is the previous image to the one you're waiting for, as that previous image is already on the card, and the one you're waiting for is still downloading!

What happens if you either shoot only JPEG, or only sRAW? Both will have much smaller files, though both must process the full data from the sensor. If it's quick it might point to issues with writing to the card. Also, what happens if you only use a high speed SD card? I'm just throwing random ideas out here to test different areas of the camera - it might at least allow the problem to be narrowed down.

dbeugel wrote in post #17665852 (external link)
I've been looking through some of the ISO100 5DS RAW files I downloaded through the Image Resource site. And I picked one with some shadow areas to see if it showed any cross hatching like the 5DII 5DIII produce when lifted 100%. To my surprise I didn't see any. Instead it produced a fine grain. Can any owners confirm the improvement in low ISO shadow noise?

Not an owner myself, but reports of the noise characteristics of the 7DII would point to significant improvements over the 6D, which itself was better than the 5DIII, which was better than the 7D. I've seen a really hard push of a 5DS raw show some (what looked like) banding, and obviously you're not going to match a Sony sensor, but the available evidence would seem to indicate it is indeed much better than the 5DII and 5DIII.

Nice shot. I bet it looks great blown up. What lens?


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Aug 12, 2015 04:15 |  #1597

sploo wrote in post #17665855 (external link)
Nice shot. I bet it looks great blown up. What lens?

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Aug 12, 2015 06:52 |  #1598

sploo wrote in post #17665118 (external link)
That *is* annoying. I can understand why it does it, but it's still potentially confusing.

Interesting - and promising from the point of view of potential Canon improvements. But... if Sony were to employ the same technique would they also benefit?

A tiny bit, but they my not find it worthwhile, with less to gain.




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Aug 12, 2015 15:25 |  #1599

dbeugel wrote in post #17665852 (external link)
I've been looking through some of the ISO100 5DS RAW files I downloaded through the Image Resource site. And I picked one with some shadow areas to see if it showed any cross hatching like the 5DII 5DIII produce when lifted 100%. To my surprise I didn't see any. Instead it produced a fine grain. Can any owners confirm the improvement in low ISO shadow noise?

You're spot on. The low-iso shadow noise is just a nice grain and no more crappy banding or pattern. Nice improvement! I do wish that Canon had made a better stride in overall dynamic range, but all-in-all I am very pleased with the low-iso image quality.


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Aug 12, 2015 15:35 |  #1600

David Arbogast wrote in post #17666440 (external link)
You're spot on. The low-iso shadow noise is just a nice grain and no more crappy banding or pattern. Nice improvement! I do wish that Canon had made a better stride in overall dynamic range, but all-in-all I am very pleased with the low-iso image quality.

Great stuff haha! Now it just needs to come down to a decent price in the UK!


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Aug 12, 2015 21:57 |  #1601

I know some of you have mentioned being disappointed with read/write/buffer impressions. Does anyone find it strange that Canon/Sony/Nikon won't put UHS-II SD cards in their cameras while Fujifilm and Panasonic have already done this? The UHS-II cards are cheaper and faster than the UHS-I U3 cards, for _()_@sake! And having two of them would bypass the space constraints of having two CF/Cfast cards like in the 1DX. At least give me one CF and one UHS-II SDXC!


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Aug 12, 2015 22:30 |  #1602

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Aug 18, 2015 18:13 |  #1605

A personal note: I returned the 5DS R because of delay in seeing the image on the LCD, a delay of up to 3 seconds on my camera. As I've said, I love everything else about this camera, and thought that maybe I just had a bad copy, so I asked for an exchange. It came today, and sure enough, with all the same settings, the delay is 1 second, maximum 2 seconds. I'm cool with that.


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