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RRS BH-40 or Kirk BH-3: Any Reason for one over the other?

 
imsellingmyfoot
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Sep 09, 2015 21:08 |  #1

I'm in the market for a new tripod and ball head. I've decided on Feisol CT-3401 legs. I'm undecided on my ballhead. I'm between the Really Right Stuff BH-40 LR with the RRS L-Plate and the Kirk BH-3 and Kirk L-Plate.

My equipment is a 6D. Primarily a Sigma 35 Art. Biggest lens I own is a 70-200 f/4. I do cityscapes and landscapes and night stuff (long exposures).

I've done all the research, read all the reviews, etc. I'm kinda starting to see these two setups as six one way, half a dozen the other. There's about a $100 price difference with RRS being more expensive. Is there any reason to choose one over the other?


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Sep 09, 2015 21:33 |  #2

Both are good, no issues there. I think it is more a matter of ergonomics, assuming you aren't worried about the price difference. I am partial to the RRS lever clamps though. Kirk uses a strong loctite on their heads and it is a pain to change them.

I had the Kirk BH-1 for 11 years without a single issue. I changed to the Arca-Swiss Z1 for a slightly smaller, lighter head with better friction control. The Kirk was every bit as strong and smooth though.

Not to muddy the waters, but have you looked at Sirui? They seem to be just as good at a much lower price.

FLM is another very interesting option. Check out the CB-38 or CB-43. You can add the clamp of your choice to the FLM heads. If I'd known about FLM before I got the Z1, I believe I'd have an FLM.

Edit: A friend has an Acratech ballhead. Excellent option there too, but pricey.


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Sep 10, 2015 08:27 |  #3

sawsedge wrote in post #17701619 (external link)
Not to muddy the waters, but have you looked at Sirui? They seem to be just as good at a much lower price.

FLM is another very interesting option. Check out the CB-38 or CB-43. You can add the clamp of your choice to the FLM heads. If I'd known about FLM before I got the Z1, I believe I'd have an FLM.

Edit: A friend has an Acratech ballhead. Excellent option there too, but pricey.

I didn't really see any Sirui stuff that I liked when I looked. I've never heard of FLM. They're a little pricey though - their setup comes out to more than my RRS setup.


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Sep 10, 2015 10:40 as a reply to imsellingmyfoot's post |  #4

well if the BH-40 is any thing like my RR BH-55 is!you can't go vary bad,i have had mine for about three years now and its vary well built strong if not a bit heavy though,but i almost ended up getting the kirk BH-3 just because its been around for a longer time,and both seem vary soild,if your going to be traveling with you tripod set up i would just get the kirk because of the weight savings!and if you can save $100.doing it !the more power to you,please let us no witch you end up getting.


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Sep 10, 2015 20:26 |  #5

imsellingmyfoot wrote in post #17702034 (external link)
I didn't really see any Sirui stuff that I liked when I looked. I've never heard of FLM. They're a little pricey though - their setup comes out to more than my RRS setup.

What am I missing? The FLM CB-38 is $180 sans quick-release clamp. Add a $105 RRS lever clamp and it is still cheaper than the BH-40. The RRS BH-40, sans clamp, is $295. With lever release, the BH-40 is $375. http://www.reallyright​stuff.com/Shop/BH-40-Mid-Size-Ballhead/ (external link)

If I understand correctly, the FLM lever release clamp isn't a standard size, so I'd stick with RRS for the clamp.


Edit: And, no matter what you choose, I don't think you'll be making a mistake.

Another edit: Looking at the smaller RRS lever clamp, it doesn't have a threaded hole. You'd need a different clamp to sit on the 3/8"-16 stud on the FLM. So, it is easier to buy head and clamp from one maker, together.


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Sep 10, 2015 21:22 |  #6

I've had the BH forty since about 2006 not heavily used but like it very much,it's good for me as I don't need the heavier 55.


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Sep 10, 2015 21:55 |  #7

sawsedge wrote in post #17702839 (external link)
What am I missing? The FLM CB-38 is $180 sans quick-release clamp. Add a $105 RRS lever clamp and it is still cheaper than the BH-40. The RRS BH-40, sans clamp, is $295. With lever release, the BH-40 is $375. http://www.reallyright​stuff.com/Shop/BH-40-Mid-Size-Ballhead/ (external link)

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Maybe I'm missing something. The CB-38 sans QR shows up as $299 on B&H for me. If I can get it for $180 then I'll entertain that.


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Sep 10, 2015 22:13 as a reply to imsellingmyfoot's post |  #8

Here is the cheaper FLM. I guess you were looking at the fancier FTR model.

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com ...w&is=REG&m=Y&A=deta​ils&Q= (external link)


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Sep 11, 2015 08:35 as a reply to sawsedge's post |  #9

Ah it's on B&H's website as "Centerball 38" instead of "CB-38." That's why I couldn't find it.


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Sep 14, 2015 08:30 |  #10

Tough choice between the RRS & Kirk. I would lean to the RRS just because of the self-adjusting lever clamp that comes with it which is excellent. OTOH I really don't like the ball locking knob on that ballhead, I've used a ratcheting lever design on another ballhead and much prefer a large round knob for locking the ball like on their BH-55. Just my personal ergonomic preference.

The FLM that John suggested is a good choice (the 38F rather than the 38FT or 38FTR). I've seen their ballheads and they're extremely well made, as good as the Linhof I used for many years. You would need to make sure that that the ball stem is tapped at 3/8"-16 so you can screw a clamp directly onto the top of the stem. My Linhof was like that, I just unscrewed its round base and fitted an Arca-Swiss type clamp to the head. That ballhead was bulletproof.

If that works out get the RRS B2-LR II clamp that has a threaded 3/8"-16 center hole and you should be all set. I've gone through a lot of heads and mainly because of where I live and experience with some heads failing in bad weather I've ended up with mostly Acratech heads. You don't have that issue but you should be confident that if you go the route of an FLM head with a RRS clamp it'll be a durable rig.


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Sep 16, 2015 14:42 |  #11

Is it appropriate to throw the Markins Q3i into the mix with the RRS BH-40 and Kirk BH-3?

I'm thinking about going the budget-ish route and getting a Sirui K-30X and using the price difference to get the filters I want without completely hating my wallet.


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Sep 16, 2015 16:16 |  #12

I have a Kirk BH-3, outstanding.


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Sep 17, 2015 13:34 |  #13

Picked up a Sirui K-30X off Amazon. I'll see how I like it. I went this route because the price difference lets me pick up a LEE holder, adapter ring, and Big Stopper.


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Sep 17, 2015 14:53 |  #14

I own the RRS BH-55 and love it. No complaints. Very high quality.


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Sep 17, 2015 14:57 |  #15

Dermit wrote in post #17711344 (external link)
I own the RRS BH-55 and love it. No complaints. Very high quality.

I have quite a bit of RRS gear now. I have to say, without exception, every product has been a joy to use. They aren't the least expensive option out there, but I haven't regretted any of my purchases from them.

Put it this way. I'm on my third camera body since I got my first RRS tripod and ball head. I'm old enough that I don't anticipate ever having to replace any of my RRS gear unless it gets stolen.... it's that good.


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