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Feb 01, 2016 02:48 |  #16

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #17881193 (external link)
That's fine too, I do agree that OS X is a nicer environment for working with images and for productivity in general.
If I had to pick something from Apple's stable, it would likely be a spec'ed out iMac. It uses the latest tech and gives you decently better hardware while also including a 5K display in the price.
It is a shame that Apple doesn't offer a standard "tower" system anymore, as that would've been the choice for a lot of people. As it stands, you have to choose between two devices with heavy thermal and power limits, one of which partly uses mobile components and the other has needlessly expensive construction.

Completely agree with this. The more I look at it, the more it seems the iMac is a very viable solution.


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Feb 01, 2016 13:23 |  #17

Tony_Stark wrote in post #17880952 (external link)
While I do appreciate that you can get quite a bit more hardware performance using Windows, I've been a Mac guy for as long as I can remember. Even when I worked brief jobs in IT, I absolutely hated using Windows. No doubt the new Windows 10 is nice, but I just can't do it. I guess when you're "stuck" with a single option you end up having to pay the price.

Honestly I was the exact same way just last year. My friends convinced me to get a cheapish PC so I could game with them and I very quickly figured out that Windows 10 is actually pretty sweet, and even my cheap ($400) PC with 5 year old components mopped the floor with all the iMacs on the market.

I would recommend you do what I just got a friend of mine to do and build yourself a cheap basic PC to learn Windows and see how you like it, worst case scenario you can use the PC as a media center or as a second computer for an office, family member, etc. You can build a very decent PC for $200 these days.


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Feb 01, 2016 13:40 |  #18

Tony_Stark wrote in post #17881171 (external link)
Its worth doing a test. Software is completely free. Seems quite low for a 2014 machine.

Ran the test there. Results below. Like I said no issues with 42MP files on this setup

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Feb 01, 2016 13:44 |  #19

xpfloyd wrote in post #17881770 (external link)
Ran the test there. Results below. Like I said no issues with 42MP files on this setup

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Now we're talking! Thats a great score right there.


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Feb 01, 2016 13:52 |  #20

Tony_Stark wrote in post #17881775 (external link)
Now we're talking! Thats a great score right there.

Haha shows you how much I know about geekbench. I couldnt tell if it was good or bad.


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Feb 01, 2016 13:54 |  #21

xpfloyd wrote in post #17881785 (external link)
Haha shows you how much I know about geekbench. I couldnt tell if it was good or bad.

Its just a bench mark score to see how good it is in relation to other devices. Its not 100% accurate nor does it mean anything serious, just helps to compare devices. Kind of like DXO mark, but with less controversy haha


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Feb 13, 2016 12:33 |  #22

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #17881193 (external link)
It is a shame that Apple doesn't offer a standard "tower" system anymore.

This is why I built a hackintosh. Of course, if you can find a 2013 i7 quad core Mac Mini, that's a nice machine, too.


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Feb 13, 2016 15:26 as a reply to Tony_Stark's post |  #23

Not really, the multi-threading score is pretty poor compared to the latest i7/ and i7 x lines. Even the Single thread performance is behind the curve my i7 Haswell-E rig which is middle of the road pulls 3463/20061 (x86 marks). To give it context that systems is not even beating a AMD FX-9590 with MT and MT is more important in professional workflow.

Here's the processor benchmarks in general:

http://browser.primate​labs.com/processor-benchmarks (external link)


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Feb 13, 2016 16:38 |  #24

I ran GeekBench 3 just now, and I got the same results as xpfloyd. Probably because I have the same computer :-) What I did notice though, is that this test appears to test just the CPU. In a real-world photography workstation, how much RAM you have and speediness of your drives are of paramount importance. My MacBook has an internal SSD and external thunderbolt RAID drive, and this is good enough for me to work with large files. It's not uncommon for my layered PSD files to get up to 500+ MB when retouching portraits with frequency separation layers or doing complex composites. This particular MacBook Pro also has an nVidia card that Photoshop leverages for filter calculations (blurs and such), which helps.

I'd love to see what kind of scores a current 4K or 5K iMac turns out. They should be significantly higher.

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absplastic wrote in post #17897089 (external link)
I ran GeekBench 3 just now, and I got the same results as xpfloyd. Probably because I have the same computer :-) What I did notice though, is that this test appears to test just the CPU. In a real-world photography workstation, how much RAM you have and speediness of your drives are of paramount importance. My MacBook has an internal SSD and external thunderbolt RAID drive, and this is good enough for me to work with large files. It's not uncommon for my layered PSD files to get up to 500+ MB when retouching portraits with frequency separation layers or doing complex composites. This particular MacBook Pro also has an nVidia card that Photoshop leverages for filter calculations (blurs and such), which helps.

I'd love to see what kind of scores a current 4K or 5K iMac turns out. They should be significantly higher.

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Upgrading to 16gb of RAM (from 8gb) made little to no difference for me in processing, however, recently switching from an AMD 1090T to an Intel i7 3820 made a massive difference.


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Feb 13, 2016 17:31 |  #26

Faolan wrote in post #17897008 (external link)
Not really, the multi-threading score is pretty poor compared to the latest i7/ and i7 x lines. Even the Single thread performance is behind the curve my i7 Haswell-E rig which is middle of the road pulls 3463/20061 (x86 marks). To give it context that systems is not even beating a AMD FX-9590 with MT and MT is more important in professional workflow.

Here's the processor benchmarks in general:

http://browser.primate​labs.com/processor-benchmarks (external link)

Poor score or not it handles 42MP a7rii files easily and also multilayered edits in PS. The top processors are overkill if all you do is photo edit and browse the net


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Feb 13, 2016 17:54 |  #27

Faolan wrote in post #17897008 (external link)
Not really, the multi-threading score is pretty poor compared to the latest i7/ and i7 x lines. Even the Single thread performance is behind the curve my i7 Haswell-E rig which is middle of the road pulls 3463/20061 (x86 marks). To give it context that systems is not even beating a AMD FX-9590 with MT and MT is more important in professional workflow.

Here's the processor benchmarks in general:

http://browser.primate​labs.com/processor-benchmarks (external link)

Umm, You do realize that the score is from a laptop class processor (Ivy Bridge-H / Haswell-H), right? Also you're comparing a <60 Watt TDP processor to a 125 Watt (i7 5820K) or 220 Watt (FX-9590) space heater right there. That said the LGA 2011-3 processors are definitely impressive in their performance :-)


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Feb 13, 2016 19:04 |  #28

xpfloyd wrote in post #17897132 (external link)
Poor score or not it handles 42MP a7rii files easily and also multilayered edits in PS. The top processors are overkill if all you do is photo edit and browse the net

I'm sure it handles them, but not well. I just sold my late 2012 i7 Mac Mini with 16gb of RAM, the difference between it and my PC was massive when it came to any type of editing, importing, exporting, etc.


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Feb 13, 2016 19:45 |  #29

Geekbench 3:
iMac 27" 4.8GHz (Intel Core i7-4790K) scores 5207 / 20800
Mac Pro 2013 24-core 2.7GHz (Intel Xeon E5-2697 v2) scores 2977 / 49836

Naturally any desktop machine is going to outclass a laptop, because they can be designed to draw more power and exhaust more heat. That said, like hpfloyd, my machine has no problem handling 5DSR and 6D RAW file workflow. The biggest upgrade I did was adding the Thunderbolt drive. USB 3.0 was not cutting it.


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Feb 14, 2016 00:55 |  #30

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #17897244 (external link)
I'm sure it handles them, but not well. I just sold my late 2012 i7 Mac Mini with 16gb of RAM, the difference between it and my PC was massive when it came to any type of editing, importing, exporting, etc.

We will just have to agree to disagree. My 2014 macbook pro retina handles my files well. No lag at all


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