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Bought a 1D mark IV, love it but need advice!

 
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Jul 06, 2016 11:16 |  #136

I sent the camera back. Even though I regret having to do so, but the charger was the last straw. Without that though I actually might have kept the camera, despite its worn exterior and the high shutter count because after getting the colours right, it was really great. And even now it was difficult to return it because focus was spot on with both the 300/4 and the 400/5.6. Not a trace of front or back focussing and so no AFMA needed. The first 1D4 front focussed with both my lenses and I'm not good in correcting that myself.
But a camera without a charger is too big a problem. I would have to sell my 1D3 without one, which I won't do, but if I do then I myself would be without a charger and would have to buy one which - according to going rates on eBay - would set me back some 250 Euro for a used one. New they are 365 Euro. I figured that for the same total sum I can get a better copy.

I don't expect every shot to be in focus. Especially with birds on the move you will miss focus some times. I always assume it's my own doing, not the camera's. Or the birds' fault, as they move too fast and erratic! :lol:


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Jul 06, 2016 11:29 |  #137

Correcting for focus is quite easy though. I wouldn't use that as a basis to not buy a camera or to return a camera.

1) Throw a high contrast toy/object in your yard (preferably when grass is cut and is low, or on a sidewalk)
2) Go back far enough with your camera/lens combo such that the object is slightly larger than your center AF point, set focal length to either in the middle of the zoom range, or where you would shoot most often, shoot wide open and with a shutter speed that is 1 / (2x the focal length)
3) Focus using your center AF point and snap a couple of shots
4) If the ground/grass in front of the object is in focus, use positive values to "add distance between you and the focus point", or use negative values to "bring the focus point closer to you"
5) Use increments of 5 each adjustment, then do one or two more tests, but use increments of 2. Shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 test shots

Hopefully this is clear :)


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Jul 06, 2016 12:51 as a reply to TeamSpeed's post |  #138

Funny, I actually tried that, except I just used a darker leaf in the grass so I don't think that worked particularly well. :oops:
Taking a high contrast object with me is a great idea though. And I think one of the gravel paths in the park would be perfect.
Great tutorial, Cary. Thank you! :love:

Here are two shots from the first 1D4 with the 300/4 after AFMA +7, a value I ended up using after shooting a street sign and +7 seemed to give me the sharpest results, although it might actually have needed more, not sure. A Heron leaving the roof of a houseboat across the canal where I live and then flying by.

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Jul 06, 2016 21:22 |  #139

2nd one really has some pop to it!


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Jul 06, 2016 22:11 |  #140

If this person is willing to ship to the Netherlands, I figure it will cost you around $1400 EUR with VAT (no duty on cameras, if I read that correctly). $1220 + $50 shipping + 21% VAT converted from USD to EUR.... This is $100 less than your first deal...

http://www.fredmiranda​.com ...802/0?keyword=1d#13​604427 (external link)

Seems like a great camera with an extra battery and L-bracket from a great seller. Might be worth looking into? Not sure if that is in your price range, but you get extras and what appears to be a very clean camera with 172K on the shutter, at a lower price than the first camera you picked up.


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Jul 06, 2016 23:29 as a reply to TeamSpeed's post |  #141

Thanks very much, Cary. Appreciate your efforts in trying to get me a 1D4! :-)
The Dutch government's import calculator tells me that for $ 1220 + $ 50 shipping the extra costs would come to a minimum of 307 Euro (taxes: 246.65 and import duty 47.34). That would make the camera 1434.99 Euro and I think I can do better buying local as prices are really coming down now.

The first 1D4 I bought was 1499. I returned it and when it was listed on the shop's site again they had lowered the price to 1399. It's sold now.

The shop where I bought the last 1D4 has taken in 3 "new" 1D4's and they seem like good ones.
One with very little wear, shutter count of 115,400 for 1499 Euro.
Another with a bit of wear and a scratch on the lcd screen but otherwise in good condition, 43,700 clicks for 1599 Euro.
A third with minor wear and only 16,600 clicks for 1699 Euro.

Only a few months ago the price tag would have been significantly higher for all three. The last two especially would have been 2000+ Euro for sure.
I'm really tempted to get the first one. It also has the highest sn.
But I'm also thinking that prices may drop even more in the months to come as more 1D4's hit the streets and that I should wait a bit?


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Jul 07, 2016 05:38 |  #142

I am not sure more will hit the streets, enough to continually drop the price. It is the last of the 1.3 crops and still commands a spot in peoples bags. However I could be wrong, but I don't know what people are getting to replace them, I don't consider a 1dx as a replacement really.


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Jul 07, 2016 06:21 |  #143

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I am not sure more will hit the streets, enough to continually drop the price. It is the last of the 1.3 crops and still commands a spot in peoples bags. However I could be wrong, but I don't know what people are getting to replace them, I don't consider a 1dx as a replacement really.

I have two 1D4's and am not going to sell them. I do have a 1DX and a 5D3 but they are not my 'sports' cameras - kept specifically for weddings/events/church functions because of their low light abilities.

I do consider myself to be a typical 1D4 owner and at the moment unless I go to a 7D2 or it's replacement I'm not sure which way I'd go if I did sell the 1D4's. The sensor is just right for me, battery life is great, focus tracking is good and uses two card slots of different type which makes it easy for me to differentiate between backup cards and first card when I shoot to dual cards at important events.

So I would support Teamspeeds' view that they may not continue to drop. Some folks have not gelled well with the 1DX2 yet with these daft CFAST cards which cost the earth just to get a backup and that's the reason I'm not going to a 1DX2.


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Jul 07, 2016 09:51 |  #144

Just to add some facts to my assessment, there are several sales of 1D4s around Thanksgiving/Christmas of 2015. Here is one from last Nov, $1300...

http://photography-on-the.net ...showthread.php?p=17​781686

The prices have been quite stable over the past year, simply because nothing Canon has offered has really made people want to relinquish their 1.3 crop bodies. Perhaps a 1DX3 that has 26Mpx to allow a 1.3 crop out would be the deciding factor? Perhaps the 5D4/5DX would be that offering as well, except it is highly unlikely it would have 10fps, more like maybe 7-8.


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Jul 07, 2016 10:30 as a reply to TeamSpeed's post |  #145

Over here prices are dropping as we speak. They really are.
I often look in POTN's marketplace but it's most all CONUS and people don't want to ship to Europe. But even if they would, that Christmas deal with the $ 1300 1D4? I saw it at the time. A great deal for someone from the USA. I remember thinking how lucky American forum members are to be able to buy this camera for that price. Because shipping it to Amsterdam would cost 50 dollars and after taxes and duties the camera would amount to $ 1688, which kills the deal. Customs doesn't make a difference between buying from a shop or buying from an individual, between new or used; you got to pay your dues. That's why it really never pays off for us over here to buy outside the EU.


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Jul 07, 2016 10:36 |  #146

There is no duty on camera good though, so shipping and VAT are the only concerns, correct? Unless the goods from Japan warrant a duty?

The duty rates applied to imports into the Netherlands typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional (anti dumping) duty of 48.5%.

There were several cameras offered in the $1400-1600 price range last year in the US across 3 different forums, so it wasn't an isolated case.

Keep an eye out, I am sure one will pop up that meets your budget and is in great shape!


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Jul 07, 2016 12:08 as a reply to TeamSpeed's post |  #147

The European TARIC database is hard to navigate and I see conflicting information so I went to B&H and added a 80D to the shopping cart and then checked out, telling the system I wanted to pay the extra costs up front. Here's a screenshot of the list with the extra costs. As you can see duties are the least of my concern. It's the 21% VAT that kills deals.

Over here the 80D goes for 1174 Euro ($ 1300). :-P

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Jul 11, 2016 10:59 |  #148

Guys, a little update! I just bought another 1DIV.

Shutter count 115,400 but in a new-like state. The whole box and all the original stuff in it are like new. I mean, if you didn't know any better you would think it all came straight from Canon! This is an extremely well looked after camera. I paid 1499 Euro for it and I think it's worth every cent. I went to the shop this time and they had two other ID4's, one with just 16,600 clicks and another with ± 67,000 but although both cameras were in good shape, they did not look as good as the one I bought. I mean this one isn't just in good shape, it's new. It looks it, it feels it. The other cameras with the low shutter count were also more expensive and the one with the mere 16,600 clicks had a nasty scratch running diagonally across the big LCD screen and already had scuff marks on the body.

I'm extremely happy with my purchase.


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Guys, a little update! I just bought another 1DIV.

Shutter count 115,400 but in a new-like state. The whole box and all the original stuff in it are like new. I mean, if you didn't know any better you would think it all came straight from Canon! This is an extremely well looked after camera. I paid 1499 Euro for it and I think it's worth every cent. I went to the shop this time and they had two other ID4's, one with just 16,600 clicks and another with ± 67,000 but although both cameras were in good shape, they did not look as good as the one I bought. I mean this one isn't just in good shape, it's new. It looks it, it feels it. The other cameras with the low shutter count were also more expensive and the one with the mere 16,600 clicks had a nasty scratch running diagonally across the big LCD screen and already had scuff marks on the body.

I'm extremely happy with my purchase.

I hope it's a keeper.


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Jul 11, 2016 11:54 |  #150

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I hope it's a keeper.

I hope so too, Chet, because I bought it in the shop and not online which means I have no right of return. Although this shop considers happy customers more important than sticking to rules.

I just took some test shots and all looks very well indeed.


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