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canon-alb
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Aug 11, 2016 12:46 |  #1606

asr10user wrote in post #18092590 (external link)
Hey guys. I am a prime user but am debating between the 16-35 f4 and 24-70 f4. This is going to be for a general walk around, however I enjoy landscapes more than anything. I guess my question would be, how many times do you want to go wider than 24mm? I previously had a 14mm Rokinon and that was much too wide for me. So I am wondering how much of a benefit 16-23mm would really be to me.

I had the same dilema, but decided to buy first the 24-70. Recently I got a used 5D and now I have to pick up some lenses for this full frame body.

24mm on FF, is 15mm on a crop body... it's wide enough for some landscape. While 35mm is far from being a normal lens

And 24-70 f/4 has macro capabilities.

24-70 is more important than 16-35.


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Aug 11, 2016 12:59 |  #1607

canon-alb wrote in post #18092756 (external link)
I had the same dilema, but decided to buy first the 24-70. Recently I got a used 5D and now I have to pick up some lenses for this full frame body.

24mm on FF, is 15mm on a crop body... it's wide enough for some landscape. While 35mm is far from being a normal lens

And 24-70 f/4 has macro capabilities.

24-70 is more important than 16-35.

I still think that 16-35 paired with a fast prime in walk around range is a better combo than a slower 24-70 lens. I know the 24-70/2.8 variant is considered perhaps the bread and butter of any serious photographer working in controlled situations.

My problems with the 24-70 F4 are as following,
1. Its wide but not enough for those spectacular wide corners.
2. 70mm is not really a zoom on full frame and if need be is usually covered by superb companions in 70-200 options.
3. Its too slow to be used indoors in museums, restaurants etc.

It can do a bunch of things but other lenses can do them better. Nothing can replace an UW but an UW and nothing can do what 70-200 does on a full frame especially when it comes to portraits, landscape and sometimes even wildlife. I know its a stretch but I have often done that on my cropper.

Thats just my opinion and is what I have gathered in my few years of really amateurish shooting. Some might agree and some might not, really have to decide what's better suited for your style of shooting.


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Aug 11, 2016 13:55 |  #1608

For me it is like:

- Landscapes:
Ultra wide Angle = 70-90%
Wide Angle [not ultra] = 20-30%
Normal to long = 10%

- Walkaround/portraits in street or public:
Ultra wide Angle = 20-30%
Wide Angle [not ultra] = 30-40%
Normal to long = 60-90%

I can't live without ultra wide angle and standard/long lenses, so 16-35 or now it is 15-30 and 24-70 will be my top best zoom lenses then followed by 70-200, prime is another story.


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Aug 11, 2016 14:31 |  #1609

Tareq wrote in post #18092811 (external link)
For me it is like:

- Landscapes:
Ultra wide Angle = 70-90%
Wide Angle [not ultra] = 20-30%
Normal to long = 10%

- Walkaround/portraits in street or public:
Ultra wide Angle = 20-30%
Wide Angle [not ultra] = 30-40%
Normal to long = 60-90%

I can't live without ultra wide angle and standard/long lenses, so 16-35 or now it is 15-30 and 24-70 will be my top best zoom lenses then followed by 70-200, prime is another story.

I must be weird. 50% of my landscapes that sell really well are taken with a 100-400 and I about 10% with my 16-35. Most of the rest are my 24-70 F4 or my 50mm 1.4. I just had to look in lightroom for percentages from my selling photos folder.


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Aug 11, 2016 15:01 |  #1610

MysticFalcon wrote in post #18092837 (external link)
I must be weird. 50% of my landscapes that sell really well are taken with a 100-400 and I about 10% with my 16-35. Most of the rest are my 24-70 F4 or my 50mm 1.4. I just had to look in lightroom for percentages from my selling photos folder.

That is you, i use my 24-105 more than my 16-35 before, but in general the most landscape shots i saw here and there or on 500px and flickr are like from ultra wide angle lenses, so don't put it as with your 100-400 to be most used so it is the popular around the world for landscapes, i may take wild life shots with 24-105 or ultra wide but this will not put it as top choice for wild life then.

In all cases, any lens that works for us we put it with high percent, i use 17/24 TS lenses as my most used for landscapes nowadays even i have 15-30 and 24-105/24-70, and i also have 100-400 but didn't use it for any landscape shots yet, and i won a lot of my landscapes from ultra wide angle lens results.


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Aug 12, 2016 10:11 |  #1611

Almost zero PP, this is straight from RAW. This lens produces amazing colours and detail even on my old 7D.

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canon-alb
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Aug 12, 2016 12:26 |  #1612

dochollidayda wrote in post #18092767 (external link)
I still think that 16-35 paired with a fast prime in walk around range is a better combo than a slower 24-70 lens. I know the 24-70/2.8 variant is considered perhaps the bread and butter of any serious photographer working in controlled situations.

My problems with the 24-70 F4 are as following,
1. Its wide but not enough for those spectacular wide corners.
2. 70mm is not really a zoom on full frame and if need be is usually covered by superb companions in 70-200 options.
3. Its too slow to be used indoors in museums, restaurants etc.

It can do a bunch of things but other lenses can do them better. Nothing can replace an UW but an UW and nothing can do what 70-200 does on a full frame especially when it comes to portraits, landscape and sometimes even wildlife. I know its a stretch but I have often done that on my cropper.

Thats just my opinion and is what I have gathered in my few years of really amateurish shooting. Some might agree and some might not, really have to decide what's better suited for your style of shooting.

I agree that an UWA+fast prime is a better combo than 24-70, and even better if you have a 70-200. And that's what I did. Today I got myself an used cheap 17-40 f4L. I know 16-35 f4L IS is a better lens, but I can't afford it. I don't want to spend a lot of money for an UWA.

I think that 5D + 17-40 + 50 1.4 + 70-200 is a good and a light combo. I am done for now, but in the future, I'd like to cover that 40-70 range with L quality.


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Aug 12, 2016 13:08 |  #1613

canon-alb wrote in post #18093633 (external link)
I agree that an UWA+fast prime is a better combo than 24-70, and even better if you have a 70-200. And that's what I did. Today I got myself an used cheap 17-40 f4L. I know 16-35 f4L IS is a better lens, but I can't afford it. I don't want to spend a lot of money for an UWA.

I think that 5D + 17-40 + 50 1.4 + 70-200 is a good and a light combo. I am done for now, but in the future, I'd like to cover that 40-70 range with L quality.

17-40 is an awesome lens and shines way more on full frame.
I am sure you will enjoy this combo for landscape. I don't have personal experience with it so I can't comment on that but for years landscape shooters have considered to be the best buy in Canon's arsenal.
Would love to see your pics with your new purchase.


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Aug 12, 2016 20:54 |  #1614

My refurb from the Canon Store 10% off sale came in today. Looking forward to shooting some with it this weekend.




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Aug 13, 2016 14:17 |  #1615

pwomble wrote in post #18094024 (external link)
My refurb from the Canon Store 10% off sale came in today. Looking forward to shooting some with it this weekend.

I saw that deal on canonrumors.com. Look forward to seeing your images. Good luck.


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Aug 14, 2016 14:38 |  #1616

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Aug 14, 2016 21:32 |  #1617

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Aug 14, 2016 23:31 |  #1618

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Aug 17, 2016 08:51 |  #1620

An image from a visit to a private automobile collection ... with my 5D3 and 16-35mm f/4, taken at f/8, 1.3 sec, 100 ISO, at 27mm.

I've had my 16-35mm f/4 for about a month, and it replaced my 17-40mm f/4.

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