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What strobes should i get?

 
DJ ­ JIGGLER
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Oct 02, 2016 19:19 |  #1

I'm wanting to do more strobe work with Cars, Catalog photos of products and red carpet style events. I have really only used a few speed lights w/ pocket wizards before never used a strobe.

What kind of strobe and light modifiers should i start out with?

Thinking about the Einstein E640 though.

Thanks in advanced.


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TerryMiller
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Oct 02, 2016 19:36 |  #2

I'd invest in the newer battery operated ettl and high speed sync capable strobes if it were me. There's a list in this thread. http://photography-on-the.net .../showthread.php?t=1​425184. All have some way to control the lights remotely.

The built in battery allows you to use it outdoors with no fuss. HSS allows you to use a high shutter speed outdoors to achieve a narrow depth of field outdoors.

Ettl can be a mixed blessing but many find it useful. It tends to underexpose very light scenes and overexpose very dark scenes. The strobes can still be operated in manual if different clothing or backgrounds is causing exposure to change too much.


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AlanU
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Oct 05, 2016 13:32 |  #3

I have 4 Einsteins and if I had to do it again I would not have invested in them...why????

Lack of versatility even though I have PCB Lithium packs.

I'm on the casual hunt for a TTL/HSS strobe setup so theres no need to fuss with ND filters.


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Oct 05, 2016 14:30 |  #4

It appears to me that the Phottix Indra doesn't seem too popular on this forum for whatever reason. I think it's because the Flashpoint Xplor or the other brand names it sells under are so much cheaper while still providing comparable features.

That said, why I would still recommend the Phottix for is the eco-system. The monolights and speedlights all talk to each other and can trigger one another and you need one trigger on camera that can do everything on all units, from TTL and HSS, to zooming the flashes to increasing/decreasing the Indra's modeling light. The flashes also trigger the strobes and vice versa.

With other systems, you have to have a trigger for your flashes and another for the monolights, and if you get lucky and get a trigger than can control both, you lose some feature or the other, usually TTL, HSS or both.




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Oct 05, 2016 14:50 |  #5

I'm using Xplor 600 TTL now and so happy that make my life easier on location shoots. Still have the Rovelight 600 for home studio !




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AlanU
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Oct 05, 2016 19:17 |  #6

BJ_Nguyen wrote in post #18149175 (external link)
I'm using Xplor 600 TTL now and so happy that make my life easier on location shoots. Still have the Rovelight 600 for home studio !

hmm I'm gonna look into all of the "new blood" strobes sold these days. No more nd filters or max flash sync limitations for me in the next purchase of lights!!!


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Oct 05, 2016 19:37 |  #7

I will first say that I don't have direct experience in photographing cars. Having said that, as a generalization, photos of cars used to involve giant softboxs filled with multiple heads that support 4000 w-s of power each (into a single head). Monolights simply are outclassed by power packs and heads because of the massive power supply and power capacitors needed to put a 4000 w-s burst into a head. It would take more that SIX of the Einsteins to even equal a single 4000 w-s head


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Oct 06, 2016 16:59 |  #8

I think that if someone is shooting a automobile, then the modifiers would cost more than the 4K w/s head/pack system. I have a Speedotron system, and it would work well for shooting the cars. I use the fan-less 103 head for interiors since it is more compact. Hell.. most pack/head systems have tiny heads so they can get in the small corners to fill it out. And the 105 heads are fast enough at full power, and as you use less power ; they get faster flash durations.


But I also think that monolights are convenient and easy to learn. But whether which system you choose, you should look into the system itself. Whether it has a large family of modifiers to shape the light. Also if you travel with gear, do the system have a rental in the cities you work from.. I have several systems for different uses.. What I use is Speedotron, Broncolor, and Elinchrom.




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DJ ­ JIGGLER
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Nov 27, 2016 22:28 |  #9

These TTL heads seem a bit out of my price range for now.. Even though i really want TTL. Gota 5Dmk4 to save up for..


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Nov 30, 2016 12:39 |  #10

I can't speak to photographing cars, but I invested in Einstein's a year ago and love compared to speedlights. For me, the wider array of light modifiers makes it worth it. I also use the Cyber Commander which is awesome because I can change the power output from the shooting position and not have to get up. This comes in handy on editorial assignments when I can afford an assistant and don't have to run back and forth to the lights to push the power up and down. The biggest downfall for me was the amount of gear I have to take on assignment feels like it increased ten fold. I don't use TTL because the light situation doesn't change very drastically in editorial portraiture. Between a light meter and chimping from the LCD I can get in the ballpark pretty quickly.

I also love the option of plugging the strobes into a wall socket if you are shooting indoors. I hated having to use AA batteries.

Like the people said above, for cars conventional wisdom says you want to go with the biggest modifiers possible. Einsteins are also way more powerful, which I imagine is valuable when shooting outdoors.

Sorry to ramble, I hope this helps.


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Nov 30, 2016 14:21 |  #11

Wow.

You're looking at a huge difference in work and power.

Suggest you rent gear forever or until you know what you'd prefer investing in. Will you be in studio or on the street.


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