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Dusmith1
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Oct 07, 2016 15:16 |  #1

I am shooting a Canon 750d I have 2 lenses
Both Image stabilizers
1 EFS18-55 macro 0.25m/0.8ft
2. EFS 55-250 macro 0.85m/2.8ft

I want to shoot wildlife flowers and insects what do you think I need to buy yet
Want to go on an Eagle and hawk shoot




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John ­ from ­ PA
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Oct 07, 2016 15:37 |  #2

Dusmith1 wrote in post #18151006 (external link)
I am shooting a Canon 750d I have 2 lenses
Both Image stabilizers
1 EFS18-55 macro 0.25m/0.8ft
2. EFS 55-250 macro 0.85m/2.8ft

I want to shoot wildlife flowers and insects what do you think I need to buy yet
Want to go on an Eagle and hawk shoot

In my experience eagles and hawks need about 400mm minimum on a cropped format. Keep in mind that rarely will you be much closer than about 100 to 200 feet and the mature bald eagle is about 30 to 40 inches in height. The golden eagle will be a bit larger, but not by much.

I would suggest you attempt to rent something initially and feel your way to determine what you may need. But with a 750D (T6i) I guess you are not in the States so I can't suggest a rental facility.




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Oct 07, 2016 16:54 as a reply to John from PA's post |  #3

Yes I am thinking I am not far from you , I am in York Pa .......want to go shoot down at the Conowango dam on rout 1 pa / Md line known for the Eagles




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Oct 07, 2016 16:57 |  #4

Are you planning to purchase? If so, what is your budget?


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Oct 07, 2016 17:00 |  #5

What is your budget? You can get real close in macro with a $50 set of Fotodiox extension tubes from B&H and a 50/1.8 STM. Better is the 60/2.8 macro lens. On the reach side of things, you have to spend a lot of money on a lens to upgrade from the 55-250 types. Do you have the STM versions of the kit lenses? The Tamron 150-600 VC and Sigma 150-600 C are both good are long super tele lenses, but they cost $1000.


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Oct 07, 2016 17:22 as a reply to runninmann's post |  #6

Would like to buy thought I would see if I can find used first




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Oct 07, 2016 17:25 |  #7

Actually the 18-55 kit lens makes for a decent maco-ish lens. The MFD of the lens is quite small, so you can get in very close. I would just practice with that kit lens first and see what kind of results you are able to pull from that combo.


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Oct 07, 2016 17:27 as a reply to FEChariot's post |  #8

What Is STM




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Oct 07, 2016 18:32 |  #9

Dusmith1 wrote in post #18151109 (external link)
What Is STM

Stepping motor drive. It is more silent focusing and is good for video shooting:

http://global.canon ...museum/product/ef42​7.html (external link)


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Oct 07, 2016 20:18 as a reply to FEChariot's post |  #10

Ok thanks yes I think I do have the STM I got the Video Creator kit




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John ­ from ­ PA
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Oct 08, 2016 14:28 |  #11

Dusmith1 wrote in post #18151078 (external link)
Yes I am thinking I am not far from you , I am in York Pa .......want to go shoot down at the Conowango dam on rout 1 pa / Md line known for the Eagles

I go there almost every year and you will need 400mm. I will also tell you to go in the morning as the light fades rapidly as the day progresses. The hill at your back also doesn't help throwing some shadows around. Check the link at https://bellaremyphoto​graphy.com ...-eagles-at-conowingo-dam/ (external link) for some further guidance.

Since you mention you are in the States, you may want to rent the Sigma 150-600mm f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Sports. 5 days will set you back $93. See https://www.lensrental​s.com ...s-hsm-sports-a1-for-canon (external link)




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Oct 08, 2016 14:37 |  #12

Dusmith1 wrote in post #18151006 (external link)
I am shooting a Canon 750d I have 2 lenses
Both Image stabilizers
1 EFS18-55 macro 0.25m/0.8ft
2. EFS 55-250 macro 0.85m/2.8ft

I want to shoot wildlife flowers and insects what do you think I need to buy yet
Want to go on an Eagle and hawk shoot

What's your budget?

If they're chillling on branches or the ground, you can have an easier time. In flight is another beast all together. But you need good technique and exposure, especially if the eagles have white heads (making exposure hard not to blow out if you're not careful).

You could hunt a used/deal on a 150-600 flavor, like Sigma or Tamron. Used/Refurb they're in the $700 range. Recently a deal on ebay for the Sigma for about that too. This would give you the reach you need from a long distance, which is common to new-to-birding/wildlife shooters, since getting close to wildlife is harder for some than others. It also depends just how specific you will make yourself to this kind of photography. A lot more goes into it than just a lens.

Alternatively just find a used 100-400, they're going often these days for $700~800 as well. Alternatively to that, a 400 F5.6L, which is great for in-flight. Alternatively to that, a 300 F4L is also a very fine lens on APS-C for birding and can take a TC if needed making it pretty versatile.

But more important, instead of just thinking a lens purchase is going to make this happen, you really need to also look into the techniques of hunting as they apply to wildlife and birding. Using good plans for wildlife/birding is as important as having good long glass for the job too. You will want to get as close as possible without disturbing them. Bright sunny days are not the best days, you want over cast days without direct sunlight on the bird. You want to avoid hard shadows, you want to know direction of light, find a placement for yourself that gives you the best view with respect to light sources (sun) and background (avoiding bleached out blown out skies as your only background; versus nice darker foliage, etc).

Come over to the birding forum, lots of advise and threads there that will be very helpful.

For flowers, your 55-250 is already great for that.

For insects, you could get a diopter and use that on your current 18-55. Or you could get a dedicated Macro lens (EF-S 60 F2.8, 100 F2.8, 90 F2.8 VC, etc). Lots of options here. I will stress that more importantly than just having close focus ability, lighting is more important to good macro. Come over to the macro forum and see what we're talking about in terms of lighting and diffuers, etc. The lens is only a small piece of the puzzle.

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Oct 11, 2016 07:05 as a reply to John from PA's post |  #13

K thanks for your help




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Oct 11, 2016 07:10 |  #14

Dusmith1 wrote in post #18153941 (external link)
K thanks for your help

Are you avoiding the budget question?
In order to best help you, we need to know your budget. There are many lenses that can do what you are asking. How well they do what you are asking will depend on your budget.


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Oct 12, 2016 06:14 as a reply to MalVeauX's post |  #15

Thanks as far as the shots of Eagles and Hawks go the hawks I don't even have to leave home for we have 7 that have been here for at least 7 year and I am with in about a hour of Hawk mountain. Then we live very close to 3 places that there are tons of Eagles and then down by my wife's grandparents there is a dam that you will see 20 to 30 on most any day . so for me it is technique and Lens that I need to work on




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