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EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM – I don't know if I like it.

 
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Oct 20, 2016 09:08 |  #16

FEChariot wrote in post #18161913 (external link)
Interesting because I have the 70-200/4 IS now and also the 135L. I have been thinking about upgrading the f4 to the new 2.8 II but I know I am going to buy a FF after the new 6d2 comes out: if not that then either the 5d3 or 5d4. Thing is I would get more than a one stop advantage going FF from crop in ISO from my 7D than I would get going from f4 to f2.8. Plus I would get to keep the lighter f4 on the camera that way. But I still want the 2.8.

I already have a 5D3 and needed more action-stopping light which prompted the 2.8 II purchase.




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Oct 20, 2016 09:20 |  #17

This is my favorite and most used lens, images still blow me away. I suggest AFMA at both 70mm and 200mm if your images aren't sharp, and try to stick by the shutter speed + focal length rule of thumb. If you're not getting acceptable images after evaluating your technique then I'd send lens + body to Canon for inspection.




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Oct 20, 2016 09:30 |  #18

I use 5DSR + 70-200 II most of time. And yet it's pretty heavy but the IQ is amazed me. I'm taking Steroid for gains muscle to hold them :)




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Oct 20, 2016 10:28 |  #19

I just bought this lens and I love it I sold my F4 non IS and upgraded into this. Yes it is heavy but it is also built like a tank ;). Good luck.


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Oct 20, 2016 10:28 |  #20

BJ_Nguyen wrote in post #18161996 (external link)
I use 5DSR + 70-200 II most of time. And yet it's pretty heavy but the IQ is amazed me. I'm taking Steroid for gains muscle to hold them :)

The IQ makes me quickly forget the weight.




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Oct 20, 2016 10:35 |  #21

FEChariot wrote in post #18161856 (external link)
Interesting that you picked an example shot where the 70-200/4 IS for the same money would have done better: its below 1/200" where most people would start seeing an advantage from IS and its stopped down to f4.

Nothing at all interesting about that pic, could have gotten similar results with a phone camera. It was the only pic to hand that was shot with a non IS 70-200 f2.8.




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Oct 20, 2016 11:00 |  #22

Bassat wrote in post #18161927 (external link)
My first 70-200 was the Sigma f/2.8 OS. Nice lens. To big for general use. On the the EF f/4L IS. Much more manageable lens, and it gets used more often. If I need more than f/4, I have an 85 1.8, 135L and 200 2.8II. Throw in a 1.4X II TC, and a 100-400, and I don't see much need for a 70-200 2.8L of any flavor.

I have the 85/1.8, 135L and 70-200/4 IS. It would be cheaper to buy a new 200/2.8 II then to buy a even refurbed 70-200/2.8 II and sell the 70-200/4 IS to recover some of the costs. So you like going that route instead of the 70-200/2.8 II? Thing is that sometimes I would like to have 2.8 and IS. Also that setup basically means four lenses to take the place of one so while the on camera weight is less, the bag weight can be more depending on how many of the four I feel I need to take with me.


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Oct 20, 2016 11:06 |  #23

FEChariot wrote in post #18162066 (external link)
I have the 85/1.8, 135L and 70-200/4 IS. It would be cheaper to buy a new 200/2.8 II then to buy a even refurbed 70-200/2.8 II and sell the 70-200/4 IS to recover some of the costs. So you like going that route instead of the 70-200/2.8 II? Thing is that sometimes I would like to have 2.8 and IS. Also that setup basically means four lenses to take the place of one so while the on camera weight is less, the bag weight can be more depending on how many of the four I feel I need to take with me.

And you then spend time swapping lenses instead of shooting. I shoot primarily zooms for the flexibility.




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Oct 20, 2016 11:21 |  #24

mike_d wrote in post #18162041 (external link)
The IQ makes me quickly forget the weight.

use it for a year and you'll know for sure  :p

I use my 70-200's for many years, f4 and f2.8, and it's too heavy for me. Very personal thing, even if IQ is amazing. Amazing and left home on travels. Amazing and left home for my kids award ceremony. Amazing and left home when I went to a friends wedding. The most amazing lens that stays home most often :-P

so after a year, it had to go (and before that, had the 70-200 tamron which was also fantastic but didnt play well with extenders). I know many people with 70-200 f2.8's that get caught up in the hype, not many follow through and use it consistently. I see it as a professional tool, as opposed to a really nice lens that is used casually. I would totally own one if I did a lot more event photography than I do now.


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Oct 20, 2016 11:36 |  #25

Charlie wrote in post #18162090 (external link)
use it for a year and you'll know for sure  :p

I use my 70-200's for many years, f4 and f2.8, and it's too heavy for me. Very personal thing, even if IQ is amazing. Amazing and left home on travels. Amazing and left home for my kids award ceremony. Amazing and left home when I went to a friends wedding. The most amazing lens that stays home most often :-P

so after a year, it had to go (and before that, had the 70-200 tamron which was also fantastic but didnt play well with extenders). I know many people with 70-200 f2.8's that get caught up in the hype, not many follow through and use it consistently. I see it as a professional tool, as opposed to a really nice lens that is used casually. I would totally own one if I did a lot more event photography than I do now.

I've had the 70-200 f/4 IS for several years. Its not exactly a small or inconspicuous lens either and its one of my favorites. Yes, the 2.8 is heavier, but the difference isn't as much as I had envisioned before I actually started using it. If I were a big traveler or hiker/landscaper, I'd be looking hard into a mirrorless setup. But I'm not so the added bulk of the Canon gear is rarely an issue. It also helps that I don't try to bring my entire lens collection everywhere I go. I mainly use a Think Tank Turnstyle sling bag. It holds a big lens, body+small lens, and a flash. I find I can shoot almost anything I'd need with that.




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Oct 20, 2016 11:46 |  #26

mike_d wrote in post #18162101 (external link)
I've had the 70-200 f/4 IS for several years. Its not exactly a small or inconspicuous lens either and its one of my favorites. Yes, the 2.8 is heavier, but the difference isn't as much as I had envisioned before I actually started using it. If I were a big traveler or hiker/landscaper, I'd be looking hard into a mirrorless setup. But I'm not so the added bulk of the Canon gear is rarely an issue. It also helps that I don't try to bring my entire lens collection everywhere I go. I mainly use a Think Tank Turnstyle sling bag. It holds a big lens, body+small lens, and a flash. I find I can shoot almost anything I'd need with that.

I wonder how the new 70-300 II will stand up to these in IQ? There you could have the 70-200/2.8 as your main lens and have the 70-300 available for travel stuff when you want to go lighter and get the extra 100mm on the long end.


Canon 7D/350D, Σ17-50/2.8 OS, 18-55IS, 24-105/4 L IS, Σ30/1.4 EX, 50/1.8, C50/1.4, 55-250IS, 60/2.8, 70-200/4 L IS, 85/1.8, 100/2.8 IS L, 135/2 L 580EX II, 430EX II * 2, 270EX II.

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Oct 20, 2016 12:05 |  #27

Eastport wrote in post #18161966 (external link)
If your images are consistently blurry, I must ask, what shutter speed are you using?

Nethawked wrote in post #18161989 (external link)
This is my favorite and most used lens, images still blow me away. I suggest AFMA at both 70mm and 200mm if your images aren't sharp, and try to stick by the shutter speed + focal length rule of thumb. If you're not getting acceptable images after evaluating your technique then I'd send lens + body to Canon for inspection.

These questions regarding shutter speed and advice to keep the speed at least equal to focal length are the best place to start. After you get used to the lens, the IS should let you cheat to lower shutter speeds when needed. I have the version I of this lens and it is a favorite of mine for its tack sharpness and ability to get the shot in low light. I'd love to try the version II.

Shoot with it more, give it some time. Should be an amazing lens.


5D Mark IV, 5D Mark III, 6D, 7D, 40D, 16-35mm f2.8 II, 16-35mm f4 IS, 24-70mm f2.8 II, 24-105mm f4 IS, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.8, 135mm f2, 70-200mm f2.8 IS, Sigma 15mm f2.8 fisheye, Sigma 35mm f1.4A, 430 EX II

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Oct 20, 2016 12:42 |  #28

Nethawked wrote in post #18161989 (external link)
This is my favorite and most used lens, images still blow me away. I suggest AFMA at both 70mm and 200mm if your images aren't sharp, and try to stick by the shutter speed + focal length rule of thumb. If you're not getting acceptable images after evaluating your technique then I'd send lens + body to Canon for inspection.

Wait, what's the shutter speed + focal length rule?


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Oct 20, 2016 12:45 |  #29

quadwing wrote in post #18162155 (external link)
Wait, what's the shutter speed + focal length rule?

Shutter speed should be faster than your focal length.

50mm lens: shutter speed = 1/50' or faster

200mm lens: shutter speed = 1/200' or faster

That is an old rule of thumb to avoid camera shake induced blur and assumes a static subject, hand-held camera, and no IS.

As you can see, longer lenses require faster shutter speeds. This is something a lot of people don't realize when they get their first telephoto lens.




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Oct 20, 2016 12:48 as a reply to mike_d's post |  #30

Yeah, for real. I'm so used to being able to swing a sharp image at 1/10s @ 70mm on my 24-70. Not a thing anymore.


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