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Dec 06, 2016 10:52 |  #6586

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #18205062 (external link)
The TTL doesn't need this: "Same USB reciver thing". It has the receiver built in.

Will my same transmitter be able to control it? Or more likely would the new transmitter be able to control the old ones?


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Dec 06, 2016 10:58 |  #6587

travisvwright wrote in post #18205069 (external link)
Will my same transmitter be able to control it? Or more likely would the new transmitter be able to control the old ones?


If you are using the 2.4ghz transmitter like the X1 (Adorama calls it the R2) then you will be good to go.


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Dec 06, 2016 11:15 |  #6588

travisvwright wrote in post #18205051 (external link)
What is the crossover for the TTL and non-TTL as far as attachments? How well would one serve as a backup of the other?

Same battery?
Same y cable?
Same Main cable?
Same Blub?
Same USB reciver thing?

I've got two non-TTL, thinking I should grab a backup at some point, but maybe get the full TTL setup as a backup of each piece.

same stuff... the ttl doesn't need the usb thing but you'll need to buy new usb things for your older non ttl versions like I did.


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Dec 06, 2016 13:32 as a reply to post 18205051 |  #6589

The main cable can be different depending when you bought the non-TTL flash units. I believe there were three different plug types noted early in this thread. If you have an old one, make sure that cable is always packed with that head.




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Dec 06, 2016 13:50 |  #6590

Talley wrote in post #18204707 (external link)
Saw a pair of the manuals for sale over at FM for 400.... thats an insane price!

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That's what I paid exactly. With extras! :)


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Dec 06, 2016 13:52 |  #6591

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Thanks. I suppose it's irrelevant for me since I don't do such shoots, but still good to know what these mean.


When I got my very first one of these, the first Time Flashpoint 360's went on sale for $300.00,. one of the first things I did when i was testing it was to set it to some cool strobe effects in my office with the lights off.

The neighbors must have though I was having a RAVE !


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Dec 06, 2016 13:54 |  #6592

travisvwright wrote in post #18205051 (external link)
What is the crossover for the TTL and non-TTL as far as attachments? How well would one serve as a backup of the other?

Same battery?
Same y cable?
Same Main cable?
Same Blub?

Yes, all the same

Same USB receiver thing?
....

No receiver thing needed, it's built in 2.4GHZ on the ETTL. You can swap out the included 433Mhz that came with your manual units for the 2.4Ghz unit for under $20.00 and then everything is 100% compatible.

I am assuming you are NOT on the 2.4Ghz transmitters yet. So you would have to buy a transmitter, and new receivers fro the manual units.


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Dec 06, 2016 14:03 |  #6593

travisvwright wrote in post #18205069 (external link)
Will my same transmitter be able to control it? Or more likely would the new transmitter be able to control the old ones?


Again, assuming you have the bundled 433Mhz FT-16 transmitter, and the FT-16 USB 433 Mhz receivers,

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you would need to buy This kit with the ETTL X1 transmitter, and a pair of retrofit USB receivers to convert your current lights to 2.4Ghz;

https://smile.amazon.c​om ...=8-20&keywords=godox+2.4g (external link)

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There are other current 2.4Ghz transmitters, however currently this is the only one Godox makes that is ETTL. If you don't get the X1, there is no reason to pay extra for the ETTL AD360II.

I actually got the X1 ETTL transmitter before (and had no plans to ) I bought an ETTL 360II, so i could mix with and use my V860 speedlites in ETTL.

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Dec 29, 2016 13:55 |  #6594

abbadon31 wrote in post #18175924 (external link)
10w LED Equals 100w bulb
That is 100w x 2 = 200w modeling light in each unit. I find it works just fine for my needs.

I returned them. I finally clicked to what your saying here... Advertising those power levels is false advertising. Unless I was sent the wrong units (I have no clue because they were not identified they just came in a white box). My understanding is the modification to the dome diffuser is done in house. Looking up 10w LED bulbs itself look like these:

https://www.superbrigh​tleds.com ...-planar-cob-led/979/2386/ (external link)

from what I could tell from looking at the units sent to me they did not look that size at all those are bigger than a quarter. My firm believe is that the units that I had which I paid for the hanson fong version were closer to 40W for each unit not 200w. They were barely lit up and wouldnt constrict the pupils hardly at all.

I only brought this up again because now I am coming up with using a godox LED170 or 126 panel mounting inside my softbox using the godox LX cable plugged directly into the BP-960 battery pack. I've ordered these parts and I'm curious to the output I'll get with this setup. I just ordered them and will post my results.

I was happy with the 150W modeling lamp in the PCB B800 and found it to be plenty bright and 150W is rated closer to 2600 lumens... There is 100% absolutely no way the cheetastand modeling lamp was anything beyond a 40W equivalent...

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Dec 29, 2016 14:09 as a reply to Talley's post |  #6595

If you replace "each unit" by "each set" then it would be correct. A mistake by Abbadon31.

LED Watt is commonly multiplied by factor 10 which on the high side. Also to conserve lifespan the LED can be run at a lower current.

The main problem is that the light has pass glass three times and that takes away a lot of light. The AD600 has three power settings and I will have look at the power output of the LED and compare it to a 45mil high power LED of 10Watt.


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Dec 29, 2016 14:57 |  #6596

mmmfotografie wrote in post #18226786 (external link)
If you replace "each unit" by "each set" then it would be correct. A mistake by Abbadon31.

LED Watt is commonly multiplied by factor 10 which on the high side. Also to conserve lifespan the LED can be run at a lower current.

The main problem is that the light has pass glass three times and that takes away a lot of light. The AD600 has three power settings and I will have look at the power output of the LED and compare it to a 45mil high power LED of 10Watt.

Ya I hope I didn't come out harsh but just frustrated with trying to find a solution that is plug and play. Without a doubt the ability to use the BP-960 battery pack to power the godox line of LED panels is a true plug and play albeit will have to figure out how to mount inside etc so kinda a DIY but nothing but mounting now.

The AD600 is rated to have a single 10W LED modeling lamp which by the best calculations should output about 1200 lumens or around a 75W bulb. Not sure how that looks because I've never seen an AD600 in person but for my testing I went ahead and purchased the Godox LED126 and I'll figure out if that will work enough or not.


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Dec 29, 2016 16:54 as a reply to Talley's post |  #6597

I have measured the LED output in lumen and at step one it is 150lm at step 2 it is 740lm and the highest setting it is 1500lm.

I measured at distance of 30cm (1 foot) and the bulb was inserted and the diffuser dome I have fitted.

Without dome and flashbulb I get 2400lm at 30cm. Low setting 340 and middle 1500lm.


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Jan 05, 2017 13:32 |  #6598

Yet another new bare bulb flash has surfaced from Godox who is revolutionizing the flash industry. Here is an image that was floating around the web for some time. (top image) I'm was somewhat disappointed when I saw the final version (bottom image) but after review it for awhile I can see how it can fit into the Godox lineup. It does have some nice features.

1. 200ws is a very nice power level for most photographers.
2. builtin battery
3. pack an amazing 520 full power flashes. WOW! If you need more flashes (which I doubt for most shoots) you can always purchase an additional battery.
4. Compact size (fits in any bag
5. Interchangeable head (the last company to do this was Sunpak years ago with the Super 622 flash)
6. Quick recycle time of 2.1 seconds (not bad for a 200ws flash
7. Auto memory function (remembers your last settings)
8. 32 channels (an over kill)
9. Flash exposure lock (convenient for stationary subject or times when you want the flash output to be consistent)
10. Compatible with Canon, Nikon and Sony (would like to see the Fuji photographers get on board)
11. Can't verify this but it looks like ti will accept all the Godox accessories for the bare bulb head. (smart)
Way to go Godox, YOU ROCK!

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Jan 05, 2017 14:01 |  #6599

Is WS math linear? Is a 360 on 1/2 power slightly less light than the 200 on 1/1?


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Jan 05, 2017 14:35 |  #6600

travisvwright wrote in post #18234439 (external link)
Is WS math linear? Is a 360 on 1/2 power slightly less light than the 200 on 1/1?

...WSs are subjective. The math of marketing.


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