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6D or 80D

 
Bassat
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Dec 22, 2016 21:30 |  #16

kf095 wrote in post #18221092 (external link)
With people as photography object and lenses like you have, 6D all the way. You'll be surprised what 50 and 24-70 does on correct sensor size for kids, family photography. If not the bulk, I would choose 6D over any crop sensor camera.

Hey, just more evidence that we all have different ideas. I use full frame, aps-h, & aps-c. I don't have any use for a 24-70 on any of them.


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Dec 22, 2016 22:55 |  #17

What will your output be?

If your output will be small prints or a digital screen (cell phone up to a big flat-screen television) a 6D isn't going to give you anything more over an 80D that you'll be able to see.

Moreover, the 80D is so easy to use--even Live View and video focusing is miraculous, the touchscreen is quick and easy to manipulate--that you'll suffer far less frustration missing shots. IQ is worthless if you missed the shot.




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Dec 22, 2016 23:35 |  #18

Thanks everyone. Lots of constructive opinions. Still undecided if the IQ of the 6D or the AF of the 80D is more important to have.

RDKirk wrote in post #18221273 (external link)
What will your output be?

If your output will be small prints or a digital screen (cell phone up to a big flat-screen television) a 6D isn't going to give you anything more over an 80D that you'll be able to see.

Moreover, the 80D is so easy to use--even Live View and video focusing is miraculous, the touchscreen is quick and easy to manipulate--that you'll suffer far less frustration missing shots. IQ is worthless if you missed the shot.


Output mostly will be small prints, etc. Maybe an occasional 18x24,24x36 canvas.




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Dec 23, 2016 00:30 |  #19

exvtec94 wrote in post #18221304 (external link)
Thanks everyone. Lots of constructive opinions. Still undecided if the IQ of the 6D or the AF of the 80D is more important to have.

Output mostly will be small prints, etc. Maybe an occasional 18x24,24x36 canvas.

I'll have to say the IQ of the 6D is still a nice jump in IQ from the 80D.

Majority of the years of owning a 5dmk2 I've achieved amazing IQ and captured majority of the photos I wanted to take of my kids and during vacations (sadly no vid). The 6D has a newer AF system but at the end of the day the 5dmk2 or 6D cannot capture somethings well compared to the 80D.

Recently my kids tackled a large snowy hill to enjoy winter sledding. I'll confidentally say my 5d3 would be able to tackle the task of still photography. I chose to bring my 80D w/ 24-70L mk2. I took killer images and video documenting things a 6d or 5dmk2 could not fully capture that moment in time. I can certainly feed my kids macaroni and cheese for months and simply buy a 5dm4 :P to document excellent stills and vid but the price difference from a 5d4 to 80D is huge.

The 80D image quality with the 24-70 f/2.8L mk2 looks amazing but I would still say my aging 5dmk2 is sharper. However on computer screen and print the 80D would make many photogs happy. If your an intense pixel peeper you may prefer a 6d though......

Since you mentioned vacation and kids application the 80D would have advantages over a canon 6d.

The Canvas you've mentioned can use a 10MP photo and still produce beautiful photos.

For action photography there are better bodies upto the task than an 80D. However the 80D can still perform fast AF for most casual sports shooters. More chance of capturing fast running kids than a 6d and that slight difference in speed in AF and fps. This alone can make a difference from a blurry image vs perfectly executed shot. Your very likely not going to print a blurry soft shot.


5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 80D | 24LmkII | 35mm f/2 IS | 85 mkII L | 100L | EF-S 10-22 | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
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Dec 27, 2016 00:56 as a reply to AlanU's post |  #20

So I think I'm decided on the 80D. And since I'll be attempting to shoot some video also.

My next question is do I buy:

1) Costco kit with the 18-55IS STM and 55-250 IS STM?

2) Body Only then acquire the both lenses separately? Are there reputable places that sell them discounted? I don't see many 18-55STM nor 55-250STm being sold here in classifieds.




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Dec 27, 2016 00:57 |  #21

No. 1


Getting better at this - Fuji Xt-2 - 18-55 - 35 f2 WR - 50-140 - 6D - 135L - 70-200 f4L IS - 600EX-RT x2 - ST-E3-RT - flickr (external link) - www.scottaticephoto.co​m (external link)

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Jan 03, 2017 00:35 as a reply to FarmerTed1971's post |  #22

Ended up purchasing the 80D with 18-135 Nano USM Kit via CPW. Should be here by the end of the week.




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Jan 03, 2017 02:33 |  #23

exvtec94 wrote in post #18231437 (external link)
Ended up purchasing the 80D with 18-135 Nano USM Kit via CPW. Should be here by the end of the week.

Have fun with it. It's a fun versatile camera that surprises me in many ways.

I just printed many photos and it did a fantastic job.

Once I get my Sirui-P-204S monopod w/ stand I'm gonna push the limits and really rock the 80D for video and other applications.

One thing the still surprises me is my snobbish attitude I've had for years regarding "crop sensor" has stopped. The image quality of the 80D and my fuji bodies have blown me away. Many years ago the 5d and 5dmk2 was a full frame that gave me rich lush files with depth in the image while the 50D/1dmk3 felt substantially flat in comparison. Now in these modern day crop sensors the image quality has stepped up ALOT!!

I suggest setting up your custom dials for video setup. This way you can speed up your video application "instantly" when you run/gun.


5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 80D | 24LmkII | 35mm f/2 IS | 85 mkII L | 100L | EF-S 10-22 | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
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Jan 03, 2017 07:10 |  #24

AlanU wrote in post #18231478 (external link)
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I suggest setting up your custom dials for video setup. This way you can speed up your video application "instantly" when you run/gun.

This is an excellent idea. I just set up my 80D's C1 dial setting for video. Bam! Instant video, no matter what I happen to be doing. This works well.


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Jan 03, 2017 09:14 |  #25

Bassat wrote in post #18231609 (external link)
This is an excellent idea. I just set up my 80D's C1 dial setting for video. Bam! Instant video, no matter what I happen to be doing. This works well.

I've set C1 for 60 fps (shutter @ 1/120) 1080 and C2 for 24fps (ss=1/50). Preset the silent AF and other features I usually use. Makes life easier especially if your in video mode and you do not start the video the camera turns on stby. A quick dial to C1 or C2 assures my settings are close to what I want.


5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 80D | 24LmkII | 35mm f/2 IS | 85 mkII L | 100L | EF-S 10-22 | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
Fuji X-T2 w/battery booster | 16mm f/1.4 | 56 f/1.2 | 10-24 f/4.0 | 55-200 | EF-X500

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Jan 10, 2017 19:16 |  #26

I agree with getting the 80D, I think I would find more general use for it. I actually was just debating on these 2 cameras & ended up getting the 80d & love of. I had a 50D before, sold it on this forum.

Also for a lens I'd recommend the Sigma 17-50mm. I had the 18-135 (original) & while the focal length was handy I think you will find the constant aperture on the 17-50 (2.8 the whole way through the focal length) you will have to adjust shots less often (I shoot in manual, hence why I say that) for different light.




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Jan 10, 2017 19:50 |  #27

I went from XSi to 6D, if I were buying today I would probably get the 80D. Don't get me wrong, the 6D is great, and while I suspect it still wins in noise at any ISO, the exposure latitude, focusing, additional video features etc put the 80D out in front.

That said, if you can wait six months the new 6D is likely just around the corner.

I've had my 6D for 2.5 years, I think


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Jan 11, 2017 01:40 |  #28

Left Handed Brisket wrote in post #18240482 (external link)
I went from XSi to 6D, if I were buying today I would probably get the 80D. Don't get me wrong, the 6D is great, and while I suspect it still wins in noise at any ISO, the exposure latitude, focusing, additional video features etc put the 80D out in front.

That said, if you can wait six months the new 6D is likely just around the corner.

I've had my 6D for 2.5 years, I think


I went from XSI to 80D. Received the 80D a few days ago. Haven't had time to play with it yet. 6D MK II would probably be out of my price range.




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Jan 11, 2017 08:45 as a reply to exvtec94's post |  #29

You won't regret the 80D




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Jan 11, 2017 12:39 |  #30

exvtec94 wrote in post #18240729 (external link)
I went from XSI to 80D. Received the 80D a few days ago. Haven't had time to play with it yet. 6D MK II would probably be out of my price range.

Just play with the 80D and appreciate what it has to offer.

What I think often in the back of my mind is that full frame has better IQ. I am not off base regarding FF but the 80D still strikes me as a great Canon crop sensor.

Indeed my 5d3 and 5d2 for secondary body is more of my go to body for events. Lately I do question if clients can actually tell the difference in IQ for your average 5x7 or 8x10 prints if I use my 80D. Very likely clients cannot tell the difference !!

We can all get camera "geeky" online talking about specs but ultimately video or stills is a combo of executing the skills as a photog/videographer, gear and post processing skills.

The high iso is very impressive on the 80D for a Canon crop sensor. Specs wise the 80D does deliver a good package overall for video and stills in the "CANON" world. Yes indeed there is better gear out there but like anything the wallet dictates budget in gear acquisition.

If you after full frame goodness the 5d3 does not have dual pixel AF but it functions otherwise a great all rounder in photography.

Down the road as prices drop I'd suggest going 5d3 instead of 6d. You'll be set!!


5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 80D | 24LmkII | 35mm f/2 IS | 85 mkII L | 100L | EF-S 10-22 | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
Fuji X-T2 w/battery booster | 16mm f/1.4 | 56 f/1.2 | 10-24 f/4.0 | 55-200 | EF-X500

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